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Eruvandi
Aessere Lot
Nov 12 2014, 2:14am
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”I wanted to give him a very impressive appearance. Meaning it was necessary that one feels immediately that when he says something, people listen and obey immediately. Thranduil did not need to argue. He does not seek anyone’s approval. And if we resist it, then it’s a problem that is quickly resolved in his favor!” - Lee Pace Yep, you don't argue with the Elvenking because you will be fabulously over-ruled! Erm, where did this quote come from anyway? I haven't seen in before.
I hope I captured a bit of his awesomely impressive magnificence in the strip
I think you did!
"There's distraction buzzing in my head,
Saying in the shadows it's easier to stay.
But I've heard rumors, of true reality.
Whispers of a well-lit way.
When the world has fallen out from under me,
I'll be found in You, still standing.
When the sky rolls up and mountains fall on their knees,
When time and space are through.
I'll be found in You."
~Shadowfeet by Brooke Fraser
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Lurker in the Mirk
Ronilav
Nov 12 2014, 2:34am
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Definitely. The Gandalf and Thranduil dynamic is going to be interesting.
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I think we've talked about this in drips and drabs in previous threads, but I am interested how it plays out in PJ-verse too.
@VValar
It will be interesting to watch as I'm sure Gandalf would also know to proceed cautiously when it concerns the Elven King. Slightly OT here, but it is fascinating that of the wizards, Gandalf, the meddling one, is the one with the street smarts to navigate cross-racial, cultural, rank sensitivities. He's got friends, and enemies, in every nook and cranny. With the Elves, actually in book-verse we know as a Maiar Gandalf does get some respect even from Galadriel and Celeborn. But movie-verse, it's the other way round, Gandalf shows reverence (with C&G, actually just Gladdies since Mr G is hardly out and about) and sort of uppercrusty-peerage (with Elrond). But definitely, Legolas and the rest show respect to the wizard, heck Lothlorien even held a mourning session for him when everyone thought he'd bought the farm.
And now we have Thranduil the Elvenking in the picture. He is not as wafting zen as Galadriel has been thus far, nor as stuffy-prof recluse as Elrond. Certainly, he's no little elfing to be hanging on Uncle Ganddy's words and fireworks. Thranduil's quite a different creature altogether. I think Gandalf's management of interactions with Beorn might be an insight as to how he will handle interactions with Thranduil - who has shown his awesome ability to intuit - carefully, except he'd have to be absolutely on his toes and not to appear disingenuous.
@Kerwyn
I am very keen to see the moment when Thranduil and Gandalf meet. Gandalf displays warmth and familiarity, coupled with great respect and reverence, when he is with Elrond and Galadriel.I want to observe if there is a difference in his manner, his careful choice of words, and if he dares to show any disapproval. Somehow, i think it'll be the other way round Can't wait to see the scene in its entirety. Though with regards to his attitude with Thranduil compared to Elrond and Galadriel, if we look to beyond the story and back into the past: just looking at book-verse, I'd say there probably was a time Gandalf might be less uptight around Thranduil. But with DG, spiders, and all that happened in-movie, I imagine events and time shaped and distanced the mode of engagement between Gandalf and Thranduil. Probably, Thranduil doesn't approve of some of what Gandalf's done in his time as well.
Hmm... sorry for the ramble again
"I'll say dark and gritty, which, with the Elvenking, translates as Hot and Sexy.  " - vanima ephel
I fancy myself an ME BFF (Book/Film Fan)
(Aaaaand a gushy Thranduil fangurl before The Hobbit movies; still a gushy Thranduil fangurl through them. )
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Eruvandi
Aessere Lot
Nov 12 2014, 2:35am
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Been looking forward to it for a long time!
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Are you as curious as I am to see the interaction between Thranduil and Gandalf? Yes, I'm very curious! I'm curious to see the interaction between Thranduil and Gandalf and a bunch of other characters too. I don't know why the thought of him interacting with people outside of his own people is so fascinating, but I'm glad I'm not the only one!
I want to see how he reacts when Gandalf first shows up, I want to see if he treats Bard as an equal or a lesser, I want to see if he'll show a softer side with Bilbo, and I really, really, really want to see if he meets the Master of Laketown and see if the Master grovels, panders, and fawns over him as much as I suspect he will!
Is it December yet?!
"There's distraction buzzing in my head,
Saying in the shadows it's easier to stay.
But I've heard rumors, of true reality.
Whispers of a well-lit way.
When the world has fallen out from under me,
I'll be found in You, still standing.
When the sky rolls up and mountains fall on their knees,
When time and space are through.
I'll be found in You."
~Shadowfeet by Brooke Fraser
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Eruvandi
Aessere Lot
Nov 12 2014, 2:59am
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And now we have Thranduil the Elvenking in the picture. He is not as wafting zen as Galadriel has been thus far, nor as stuffy-prof recluse as Elrond. Certainly, he's no little elfing to be hanging on Uncle Ganddy's words and fireworks. Thranduil's quite a different creature altogether. I think Gandalf's management of interactions with Beorn might be an insight as to how he will handle interactions with Thranduil - who has shown his awesome ability to intuit - carefully, except he'd have to be absolutely on his toes and not to appear disingenuous.
Very true. Thranduil strikes me as the type who won't tolerate anyone who is disingenuous (one reason I want to see him interact with the Master of Laketown). I think in order for Gandalf to interact with Thranduil, he'll have to use the utmost respect, sincerity, and honesty, or Thranduil will see right through it and lose whatever respect he may have for him.
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I am very keen to see the moment when Thranduil and Gandalf meet. Gandalf displays warmth and familiarity, coupled with great respect and reverence, when he is with Elrond and Galadriel.I want to observe if there is a difference in his manner, his careful choice of words, and if he dares to show any disapproval.
Somehow, i think it'll be the other way round Can't wait to see the scene in its entirety. Though with regards to his attitude with Thranduil compared to Elrond and Galadriel, if we look to beyond the story and back into the past: just looking at book-verse, I'd say there probably was a time Gandalf might be less uptight around Thranduil. But with DG, spiders, and all that happened in-movie, I imagine events and time shaped and distanced the mode of engagement between Gandalf and Thranduil. Probably, Thranduil doesn't approve of some of what Gandalf's done in his time as well.
Lol! Yes, I think the disapproval will go both ways too! I actually don't think it would be a problem for Gandalf to show disapproval to Thranduil. Legolas showed his disapproval after all and if Thranduil can take it from his own son, I'm sure he can take it from Mithrandir. Honestly, I don't think Thranduil cares if people disapprove of what he does. He does the things that he thinks are necessary to get what he wants or to protect his people. He's the king. He approves his own actions.
"There's distraction buzzing in my head,
Saying in the shadows it's easier to stay.
But I've heard rumors, of true reality.
Whispers of a well-lit way.
When the world has fallen out from under me,
I'll be found in You, still standing.
When the sky rolls up and mountains fall on their knees,
When time and space are through.
I'll be found in You."
~Shadowfeet by Brooke Fraser
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Eruvandi
Aessere Lot
Nov 12 2014, 3:02am
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That last one... Is it just me or did it suddenly get hot in here? *fans self with hand*
"There's distraction buzzing in my head,
Saying in the shadows it's easier to stay.
But I've heard rumors, of true reality.
Whispers of a well-lit way.
When the world has fallen out from under me,
I'll be found in You, still standing.
When the sky rolls up and mountains fall on their knees,
When time and space are through.
I'll be found in You."
~Shadowfeet by Brooke Fraser
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Lurker in the Mirk
Ronilav
Nov 12 2014, 3:21am
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Remember movie-Faramir though? The screenwriting trio deliberately played him as a protagonist, to up the tension. People hated it, of course. As a movie-firster, I had no objection whatsoever and quite enjoyed the tension surrounding Faramir's demand for the Ring. But then of course the character was turned back to a 'good guy', and for me, it lent more interest to the rest of his movie-story arc. So much so that when I finally got to reading, I found book-Faramir a trifle bland. (I am not a Tolkien purist, much as I love the world and characters he created.) True. And OT: [book spoiler start]I find Faramir's character in the book fascinating not in himself, but rather what he endured with regards to growing pains, what with Denethor's neuroses and favourtism and his mother dying soon after his birth. It's a wonder he's turned out to be the perfect specimen of prime of TA Numenor. i was so fascinated by his growing years and *cough*even started a fanfic series about it. "Started" being the keyword [book spoiler end]
Re your suppositions: You've put it perfectly I'm just banking on the trailer cooking up interest and not representative of what's in the film, just like the impression that Thranduil is the villian in the DoS trailer... eh, though that's a bit close, isn't it?
"I'll say dark and gritty, which, with the Elvenking, translates as Hot and Sexy. " - vanima ephel
I fancy myself an ME BFF (Book/Film Fan)
(Aaaaand a gushy Thranduil fangurl before The Hobbit movies; still a gushy Thranduil fangurl through them. )
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Lurker in the Mirk
Ronilav
Nov 12 2014, 3:32am
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There'll be some mighty spectacular laser light show of mutual disapproval
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Lol! Yes, I think the disapproval will go both ways too! I actually don't think it would be a problem for Gandalf to show disapproval to Thranduil. Legolas showed his disapproval after all and if Thranduil can take it from his own son, I'm sure he can take it from Mithrandir. Honestly, I don't think Thranduil cares if people disapprove of what he does. He does the things that he thinks are necessary to get what he wants or to protect his people. He's the king. He approves his own actions.
Re highlighted: I think that will come into play at some point, and then Gandalf will serve a HEAP of his disapproval. Whether Thranduil even acknowledges it is another question
ETA
Bottomline: Look at who's the one with the throne 
"I'll say dark and gritty, which, with the Elvenking, translates as Hot and Sexy. " - vanima ephel
I fancy myself an ME BFF (Book/Film Fan)
(Aaaaand a gushy Thranduil fangurl before The Hobbit movies; still a gushy Thranduil fangurl through them. )
Thranduil Appreciation
Threadcount: XXIII
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"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Tinne
Erihs Eht
Nov 12 2014, 6:11am
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From FB site Lee Pace 100% Talent & Beauty and Tolkiendrim
French original:
http://www.tolkiendrim.com/reportage-tolkiendrim-sur-les-plateaux-de-tournage-du-hobbit-partie-ii-les-interviews/
Translation:
How do you summarize the act of participating in a series of films that is so successful?
Lee Pace: - Oh, that's great! This is the third time I come here. It all started two years ago, and every year at the same time I go down to New Zealand to work on the Hobbit. It was fantastic. I was delighted to have been invited to take part. I just loved every minute, it was really fun. I met a lot of people. I love New Zealand, I do not get tired of being there. I am happy to be here.
Some things you do they have surprises?
Lee Pace - Oh, yes, I think there has been a lot of surprises. It is a unique experience in every sense of the word, really different from anything I've done. The mood around the film is quite unique, the construction of this character throughout these three years was unique. Yes, many things are very different here.
A he was difficult to become Thranduil? How did you prepare for your character? Do you like to be the king of the elves Sylvan?
Lee Pace - Yes, I like to be able to turn, embody someone very different from me. With Thranduil, I had many opportunities to show a character as opposed to who I am. With Terry Notary (Stunt coordinator. Editor's note) we worked out catch on really nice movements, so that when we arrived on set, we no longer need to think about. Regarding my voice Leith McPherson (vocal coach and linguistics. Editor's note) helped me to locate and take an accent that is not British, but that evokes a king.
Is it become natural over time?
Lee Pace - I really had to pay attention because I'm American and this is very different from the way I talk. But I love it, I love everything that makes the character different from another. This is really interesting. Then think about what the character would look like and the way to fight was a big job.
Your character seems to be very cold, very distant. Will we see another aspect of the personality of Thranduil?
Lee Pace - This is a complex character. This is a very old elf, very, very old and very wise. But you know, Tolkien himself said that the elves of Mirkwood are less wise and more dangerous than the elves other parts of the world. Thranduil is like a wild animal in the woods. You do not cross the road without problems. But I think he's right in the second film. I think it is right to do so. Thirteen dwarves arrive to awaken a dragon breathing fire, you must stop. You put in a cell.
Have you met Hugo Weaving? You he gave some advice to play an elf?
Lee Pace - I have not met any of the actors from the previous trilogy. I have never met nor Hugo nor yet Cate Blanchett.
You are different elves!
Lee Pace: - We are in different areas of Middle Earth and we also shot at different times, so our paths have never crossed.
But you met Orlando Bloom!
Lee Pace - Oh yes. I had scenes with Orlando and Evangeline. But they are in my corner.
What is your relationship with Tauriel?
Lee Pace - This is a very interesting relationship, because she and I have a lot of scenes together. Tauriel is the head of my guard, my special forces within the Black Forest. It is a ruthless killer, someone I like. And what happens in the last film is very complicated.
This is the largest franchise of fantasy world. Have played in the series "The Fall" you it allowed you to bring your personal experience in this area on this film?
Lee Pace - "The Fall" was one of the first movies I attended. It was an incredible experience. I learned a lot while on the making of the videos, and in many areas. We shot over a long period. There was not only the presence of Tarsem behind the camera, but a bunch of pictures technicians really fantastic about this project, so I learned a lot in achieving. This is the kind of narrative film that works very well in cinema. It touches the imagination. It's very visual, how the mind works this girl. I learned so much in this film.
Can you explain your personal relationship with the books? Have you read the books of Professor Tolkien before working in the movies, do you remember the first time?
Lee Pace - My father gave me the book The Hobbit when I was thirteen or fourteen. I Chickasha Oklahoma. I was born and my father grew up. In the local cemetery there is a grave on which is written: "Bilbo Baggins" I do not know who put it there. It could be that Bilbo Baggins is Chickasha, Oklahoma! My father had given me to read The Hobbit and then in college I read The Lord of the Rings. Thereafter, I immersed myself in other writings of Tolkien, appendices and The Silmarillion. All this has allowed me to expand my character.
Will we see things in relation to the Silmarillion in the third film?
Lee Pace - No, the film is just The Hobbit. It was just for my character, just for me. I enjoyed reading Tolkien. The elves are a mystery. Even after having played one of them on the screen for so long, I can not take my idea that they are different from us. They are different, as different trees are different from us. How they want things and they behave in nature is different in many respects.
Even if they are elves, they have some defects. They are not perfect. They make mistakes, they are fighting among themselves and sometimes they fight their own king ...
Lee Pace - And they feel pain. These are deeply complex beings.
There is a difficult moment between you and your son. Legolas and Thranduil, are they in conflict?
Lee Pace - The Desolation of Smaug In, Tauriel and Legolas leave my kingdom. I forbid them to do and I tell them they have to protect the Black Forest. It is their duty, it is our duty as qu'elfes, to keep my people safe. We do not understand us, one and the other.
Tell us about your work with Peter Jackson?
Lee Pace - I think this is the most creative I've ever met. He has such incredible imagination. It ensures that the story is spectacular, the fighting are spectacular. It creates a Middle-earth still surprising that leaves you speechless. It's fun to be a part. For the interpretation of the role, he always encouraged me to go for it. "Do not think, go dark! "I do not know how to explain it better. I think it is inspiring to work with, very encouraging, very inspiring. It's so good when you go home after shooting a scene, and you feel you've done a good job.
What was your reaction the first time you saw yourself in costume, completely transformed?
Lee Pace - It was good! That was two years ago. But I remember when Peter Jackson came. We first put wigs and ears, and he exclaimed: "Wow, yes! It's him! ". That's what I find really well with this process. There is such a collaboration, There are so many different people that contribute to the character creation: those who support the makeup, the costumes, the design of the sword. These are all elements that make the character. I do not do a very small part, I'm just saying my text and give my ideas. But yes, it was nice. The first time we saw the character in his clothes, we began to understand what he would say, what he would do.
In game terms, what was the hardest part of your character?
Lee Pace - I need to understand. This is always the hardest for me. Really understand the details of my character, what motivates him, with whom he is in conflict, what he likes ... But with this elf, it's different. I worked with some symbolic to ensure not to think in a human way. As these white diamonds he wants to recover, I made sure to find a treasured symbol. You know, the skull of Damien Hirst? this is a skull encrusted with diamonds. I had a picture on my iPhone for the first part of the shoot. It helped me better understand the character (...) It was difficult to find the appropriate symbols for the character has a meaning for me.
Do you speak Elvish?
Lee Pace - I do when I hear my text. This is the hardest thing ever, learn the Elvish tongue.
What was the most difficult moment during filming?
Lee Pace - You know what? shooting was not really difficult. It was a pleasure to work on this film. I really like the scenes were filmed, and it is only a part, as with green screens, Peter is going to work its magic and will create a world around it. So no, it really was not difficult. I turned hard movies, where you say: "It's hard ... I do not know if it will be very good ..." But it was really, really fun.
You have a son in his thirties in the film, do you have a sort of midlife crisis because of it?
Lee Pace - You mean have a son who is older than me in real life? Well, I have three thousand years here. If I do not assume I will assume ever did (laughs). No, this is not a problem for me. I look forward to being a grumpy old man. In fact, it's really great to play Thranduil because it is nothing but an old man very grumpy (laughs).
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mariel
Neirol
Nov 12 2014, 8:28am
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I'm not going to be able to think of this in any other way now
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Neirol
Nov 12 2014, 8:29am
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Well, obviously, it goes without saying
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Neirol
Nov 12 2014, 8:32am
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It is an interesting interview indeed. Thanks very much for posting.
I had to laugh at LP's description of his character as a grumpy old man. Not the image I have in mind exactly!
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I can't help being excited about BotFA but for Thranduil's character arc, with PJ's track record at the moment, I'm just keeping myself cautiously hopeful. 
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