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Thranduil Appreciation Thread Part XXII
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VValar
Gondor


Nov 6 2014, 10:03pm

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     LOL LOL the internet is already going crazy about the Thranduil/Tauriel scene [In reply to]  







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VValar
Gondor


Nov 6 2014, 10:13pm

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     Oh that's lovely fanart Mariel [In reply to]  

 

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VValar
Gondor


Nov 6 2014, 10:15pm

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     Awwww a bit of Leggy FLAST [In reply to]  

Thranduil: "Psych!" Cool


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VValar
Gondor


Nov 6 2014, 10:24pm

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     HAHA who comes up with these? [In reply to]  

LOL at this one: "Son...your mother once asked me a question that now defines how I live my life. Does it look like I care?" LaughLaugh

And some great fatherly advice: "Son... if a woman tells you "she's fine." Trust me. She's not." LaughLaugh

But he is so true concerning the fangirls.... Heart

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VValar
Gondor


Nov 6 2014, 10:28pm

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     Wow awesome closeups!! [In reply to]  


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Clicky source. btw: HRHeart


*Cough* sexy lip curl *cough*
HeartHeart Angelic HeartHeart

*Saves image*

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VValar
Gondor


Nov 6 2014, 10:30pm

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     Re I'm having an Alice-in-Wonderland moment: "Off with his head!" [In reply to]  

It seems your thoughts came true.... only it was Tauriel's head instead of the human's Laugh

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VValar
Gondor


Nov 6 2014, 10:42pm

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     Re Thranduil's age [In reply to]  


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If you contrast how closely Thranduil seemed to keep Oropher's policies all through TA, and how easily Legolas seemed to overcome his prejudices (for an Elf), I think age and personal experience plays a big part.



Could also be a change of character between the two, one having a milder and more forgiving personality due to having seen/experienced less misery and sorrow in his life? But that theory would also contribute to your thought of Thranduil being born in the FA and thus has experienced far more than Legolas in terms of war, loss and grief.



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I think that Thranduil would have been an early FA and was close by Oropher for a lot of the time to share so much in common in the way things are perceived and done.


This makes me sad. To think they were so close and then the War came.... Unsure



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Legolas though, would probably be a TA Elf for him to even contemplate being in an adventure/quest/thing with a Dwarf in it.


*Tries to think of Thranduil joining the Fellowship, including 4 Hobbits, a meddling Wizzard, two smelly Humans and a Dwarf* LOL No that would so NOT happen LaughShocked

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mariel
Lorien

Nov 6 2014, 10:43pm

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     Thranduil/Tauriel [In reply to]  

I must say I am rather puzzled by what is going on here. Like you I initially thought he was delivering a blow at her which she was deflecting until I saw the screen caps etc and saw he had smashed her bow aside. Was she definitely aiming an arrow at him? I can't quite make it out. Is it possible he is cashiering her for breach of discipline? What on earth would make her aim an arrow at her king? Questions, questions.

I'm also not thrilled by the impression the trailer gives that he is a bit of a warmonger, which is at odds with how he is portrayed in the book where he says long will he tarry ere he begins a war for gold. I hope PJ hasn't changed this.

Still, trailers can be very deceptive. No point giving the whole story away. It's certainly stirred up a lot of debate, although a lot of that is about cgi rather than the actual content
UnimpressedUnimpressedUnimpressed


VValar
Gondor


Nov 6 2014, 11:04pm

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     I think so [In reply to]  


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Was she definitely aiming an arrow at him? I can't quite make it out.



Although you can't see the arrow from this point of view (since we only see Tauriel's backside), there is little point in pulling your bowstring unless you have an arrow locked. And that's what we see her doing. Wow and he just smashes the damn thing ShockedShocked What on Middle-Earth could be going on here?



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I'm also not thrilled by the impression the trailer gives that he is a bit of a warmonger, which is at odds with how he is portrayed in the book where he says long will he tarry ere he begins a war for gold. I hope PJ hasn't changed this.



I hope he hasn't changed this either. Agreed with the trailer being able to give a different impression than what's actually going on in the film. Still, I hope PJ has kept Thranduil's integrity intact and not make him mindlessly crazy for the gems which would be out of character.

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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Nov 6 2014, 11:04pm

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     I hadn't noticed the elf/elves in the background before! [In reply to]  


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It's clear to me that Tauriel is pointing her bow at Thranduil, and he is deflecting HER arrow that's being pointed toward him. Indeed the BIG question is WHY? Why would she point and arrow at her King? Is it an aim to kill, is that why Thranduil is so upset? Is she 'merely' trying to intimidate him without the intention of ever actually firing it? Or is she aiming at someone/something else? But that wouldn't rhyme with Thranduil being very upset obviously while wacking her bow in half. Plus you see the other Elf(?) standing in the background, not looking very alert as if some evil creature is about to sneak up from behind his King to kill him. So that rules out the theory of Tauriel aiming her arrow at someone else other than Thranduil.

You clearly see Tauriel's right arm/elbow raised to pull back the string on her bow, bottom right corner. Meaning she has got an arrow locked and aimed (clicky for bigger).


Wow, what is going on here that Tauriel would be pointing her bow at Thranduil in the first place, much less in front of her fellow elves? I totally don't think Tauriel would ever kill another elf, much less her king but I just can't explain or comprehend what could be happening. I noticed when I had the trailer full screen that Thranduil already has orc blood on his face so clearly there's been SOME fighting going on. Since they're still in Dale, could this be after that skirmish we've heard about? The one that happens before BotFA, but a lot of Thranduil's people get killed? That could be part of the reason he's so upset, but that doesn't explain why Tauriel would draw her bow on him.

Crazy theory time!
Is it possible that Tauriel was laying in wait for another orc to come along, heard Thranduil coming, mistook him for an orc, jumped out with bow drawn and they surprised each other? In that case, our fabulous Elven King would totally have reflexes fast enough that he could disarm her before she accidentally shoots him, yet still recognize her quickly enough to not kill her. This also fits with the fact that the background elf isn't looking very alert.

That is literally the only theory I have at this point that even begins to cover all the elements of the pic.


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What kind of time-capsule ideas did you have about some of the scenes in the trailer? Smile


I'm just referring to the theories I put in my time capsule in Lurker's BotFA time capsule thread back in September. Specifically, in the two posts that I linked to there where I had mentioned #1: thinking that Legolas and Tauriel may take the place of the birds in the book and take word to Thranduil about the plight of the people of Laketown, #2 That in the scene from the teaser trailer where Bilbo and the dwarves are staring at something we can't see that they might be watching Laketown burning, and #3 that Bilbo's capture with Arkenstone in hand may happen similarly to how it happened in the book.

Well, in this final trailer, I noticed that #1 there was a quick clip at 1:39 where you can see what looks like Legolas and Tauriel on a horse, riding away from the people of Laketown. If they go where I think they're going then that theory is confirmed.Smile If not, it's busted.Frown

#2 That scene from the teaser trailer with Bilbo/dwarves staring at something got re-used at 0:47, and the at 2:03 we see that they CAN in fact see Laketown burning from the mountain and the lighting looks very similar. I'm tentatively calling that theory confirmed until I'm proved wrong.Wink

Finally, #3, from the looks of the scene at 1:11 it looks like Bilbo is indeed sneaking out of Erebor the way he did in the book by throwing a rope, climbing down and heading to Dale which we can see glowing with the light in the background at 1:12. As I said in my time-capsule theory, I think he'll get closer to Dale and then get captured by Legolas and Tauriel, meet Gandalf somewhere in between and then be taken to Thranduil and Bard. I can't really call this one confirmed (yet), but it looks like it's heading in the direction of being confirmed.Smile

"Home is behind the world ahead
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadow to the edge of night
Until the stars are all alight.

Mist and shadow
Cloud and shade
All shall fade
All shall fade"



Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Nov 6 2014, 11:16pm

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     Wow, they're fast! // [In reply to]  

 

"Home is behind the world ahead
And there are many paths to tread
Through shadow to the edge of night
Until the stars are all alight.

Mist and shadow
Cloud and shade
All shall fade
All shall fade"



VValar
Gondor


Nov 7 2014, 12:24am

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     Just a general observation from youtube concerning Elves and gems [In reply to]  

The way this guy describes it is priceless, I'm not even caring whether or not it's accurate. It just made me have a good laugh Sly

About why Thranduil would want the gems/Arkestone, or simply any shiney object:

Elves in general are a bit whackadoo about things that give off light, particularly starlight. It's like crack.


LaughLaugh Well there you have it!

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VValar
Gondor


Nov 7 2014, 1:14am

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     Oh yes Tauriel's bow is flying! [In reply to]  

http://33.media.tumblr.com/...1re3c2eo4_r1_500.gif

After watching the gif for the fiftieth time Evil I finally saw it:

Tauriel is aiming the arrow at Thranduil.
The moment Thranduil cuts her bow in half, you see the arrow flying away without any momentum caused by the bow itself. It falls over, like a tree that's being cut and falls to the ground. Just look at that moving object in the right upper corner and you'll be able to make out the arrow being knocked off her bow (it has red feathers).
You can also see part of Tauriel's (broken) bow flying through the air at the moment Thranduil cuts through it. You see it whooshing past Thranduil's face, right before Tauriel's hair is swept by the blow.

That is one heavy blow ShockedShocked

And Thranduil looks just so sexy while doing it *sigh* He's beautiful when he's angry HeartHeartHeartHeart




Agree with you that I don't think Tauriel would willingly kill any Elf either, especially not her King.



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Is it possible that Tauriel was laying in wait for another orc to come along, heard Thranduil coming, mistook him for an orc, jumped out with bow drawn and they surprised each other? In that case, our fabulous Elven King would totally have reflexes fast enough that he could disarm her before she accidentally shoots him, yet still recognize her quickly enough to not kill her. This also fits with the fact that the background elf isn't looking very alert.

That is literally the only theory I have at this point that even begins to cover all the elements of the pic.


I like your theory, it's better than any I came up with since it just wouldn't make sense for her to want to hurt Thranduil (and that's all I could come up with). So yeah this could be a possibility. Thanks for sharing, love to hear all the different ideas about it. It's such an exciting time right now, right before BOFA Shocked So many questions and so few answers (yet!) PJ sure knows how to tease us with his trailer.


Thanks for explaining your time-capsule ideas to me, you could be onto a couple of things! Smile And great eyes re:


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I noticed that #1 there was a quick clip at 1:39 where you can see what looks like Legolas and Tauriel on a horse,


Hadn't even noticed that!

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Kerewyn
Rohan


Nov 7 2014, 2:27am

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     Thanks VValar! [In reply to]  


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(Africa was a terrific experience, by the way, especially Botswana)



But I think you must have mis-read me! South Africa was an amazing experience - I'd go back there in a heartbeat. Smile






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Kerewyn
Rohan


Nov 7 2014, 2:39am

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     The bow flying [In reply to]  

Wow, this intensive dissection of this scene is exactly what I've been waiting for.

In the dodgy version that I viewed, the flying bow wasn't clear. I could only tell there was some kind of physical interaction by the jerk of her head, the look on his face.
And so I thought she was being reprimmanded, that he was snatching a weapon from her.
Now that gif makes it clear that he's knocking an arrow aside and oooh it's so deliciously intriguing to speculate on!

I am intrigued by the theories everyone proposes. I'm wondering if she is aiming at something/one else, against his orders, and he is that fast at countering her action, like "I said not to fire yet!' That's because the thought of Tauriel aiming at her king is almost too hard to contemplate. The disciplinary action that would come from that! Although now I've finished reading The Silm, I realise elves are quite capable of turning on their own.

As always, highly entertained by how fast the fan artists have jumped on it!






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Kerewyn
Rohan


Nov 7 2014, 2:43am

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PS do hope you are having fun backtracking on the threads and discussion while you were out. Some stuff for you here and thereSmile



Anything you can direct me to, which I shouldn't miss? (like, even just a certain thread?) I'm a little overwhelmed right now, and make take some time with re-reading...



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VValar
Gondor


Nov 7 2014, 7:42am

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     Woops - sorry [In reply to]  

I probably totally misread your post about SA. Instead of 'terrific' I read 'terrible' ShockedCrazy I had so much going on in my mind at the moment Tongue I'm glad you had a wonderful time all around!

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VValar
Gondor


Nov 7 2014, 7:45am

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     Pssst [In reply to]  

Already seen these?

Loki als a Noldor Ef
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http://24.media.tumblr.com/...70N1qkypaeo1_500.jpg

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VValar
Gondor


Nov 7 2014, 8:01am

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     Re flying bow and theories [In reply to]  

Thank God for all the wonderful gif-making artists. Without them I still wouldn't have figured out what it is we saw happening between Thranduil and Tauriel.

I like your theory as well! And you're right, this is probable the most interesting trailer part with Thranduil to discuss for us Thralls since it's just so unexpected and out of character for Tauriel. I just don't know what to make of it. However, if Thranduill was only telling Tauriel off not to shoot anything just yet, would he have had to break her bow in the process? Plus that wouldn't explain his angry expression that is clearly directed at her. I'm sorry I'm not able to come up with any other decent theory 'cause for the life of me I couldn't think of any reason why Tauriel would willingly threaten her King. She has sworn her allegiance as Silvan and Captain of the Guard. She is pressumably 'like a daughter' to Thranduil (as Legolas points out). What would maker her turn on her King like that? If it's not deliberate it must be she's aiming at him by accident. Would that make sense though for an Elf with her hightened fighting skills to 'accidentally' almost kill off your King? Crazy

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VValar
Gondor


Nov 7 2014, 8:28am

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     Worries worries over Legolas' booties? [In reply to]  

I came across this post on tumblr, some of you may already have seen this:

At 1.59min in the trailer we see a shot of Tauriel, apparently sitting next to a lying figure on the ground:


Closeup of the boots:


Are those Leggy's boots??????

Does this mean Leggy is hurt???????

ShockedUnimpressedUnimpressedUnsureUnsureMadMad

A couple of shots later in the trailer at 2.03 we see Legolas fighting Bolg which gives the impression this happens after we see Tauriel's sad closeup. But as you all well know by trailers, they are deceptive. It could very well be the other way around: Leggy fighting Bolg and getting hurt. Tauriel fights Bolg after that and she is thrown in against a rock. Or maybe Tauriel fights Bolg unsuccesfully, Leggy to the rescue, Leggy gets hurt?

Is this even Legolas we are talking about though before I'm getting worked up over nothing? Can anyone confirm these boots belong to him? ShockedShocked

And what about Bolg (assuming he is the one responsible for the hurt, as the trailer suggest), did he just off two of the best Mirkwood fighters on his own and walk away from it? Or do you think Legolas will come out victorious from his battle with Bolg this time, but gets hurt after? But wait, wasn't Beorn suppose to kill Bolg? Do you think he will kill Azog instead?

Oh my questions questions!!

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mariel
Lorien

Nov 7 2014, 9:02am

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mariel
Lorien

Nov 7 2014, 9:05am

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Fear not - we know he must survive or he wouldn't be in LOTR - if those are his feet.
This trailer raises far more questions than answers - which I uppose is the point from the marketing pov to keep us interested and wanting to know what happens next Laugh


Tinne
The Shire


Nov 7 2014, 9:50am

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Nov 7 2014, 11:41am

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     Thanks! Oh... [In reply to]  

that's another good resource for Thranddy goodness Smile

"I'll say dark and gritty, which, with the Elvenking, translates as Hot and Sexy. Cool" - vanima ephel



I fancy myself an ME BFF (Book/Film Fan) Smile
(Aaaaand a gushy Thranduil fangurl before The Hobbit movies; still a gushy Thranduil fangurl through them. Laugh)

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Nov 7 2014, 11:42am

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     Definitely [In reply to]  

I've not gotten to the tutorials on how that's done myself, but still it takes skillz.

"I'll say dark and gritty, which, with the Elvenking, translates as Hot and Sexy. Cool" - vanima ephel



I fancy myself an ME BFF (Book/Film Fan) Smile
(Aaaaand a gushy Thranduil fangurl before The Hobbit movies; still a gushy Thranduil fangurl through them. Laugh)

Heart Thranduil Appreciation
Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XXII
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