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QuackingTroll
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Oct 15 2014, 10:21pm
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I hadn't seen that Thranduil one before
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Has it been shared on the boards? It's pretty awesome! Apparently links to Collider don't work so you'll have to search it yourself sorry 
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tsmith675
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Oct 15 2014, 11:20pm
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In my own humble opinion.
Our destiny lies above us.
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KeenObserver
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Oct 16 2014, 1:06am
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These posters have definitely succeeded in getting me pumped.
In my mind, the movie is starting to pleasantly shape up into
something expectantly grandiose.
”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin
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Farficom
Ossiriand
Oct 16 2014, 1:29am
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We get a special Azog action figure with all kinds of different attachments.
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
Oct 16 2014, 3:35am
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yup, in this thread
"I'll say dark and gritty, which, with the Elvenking, translates as Hot and Sexy.  " - vanima ephel
I fancy myself an ME BFF (Book/Film Fan) 
 Thranduil Appreciation
Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XVIII
I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII | XIV | XV | XVI | XVI
 Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare! Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
Oct 16 2014, 3:39am
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He's actually looking better here
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than in the movies. Less totally CGI!freaky artificial smooth complexioned imo. Hope this is not just a fluke for PR and is actually how he's being rendered in BotFA.
"I'll say dark and gritty, which, with the Elvenking, translates as Hot and Sexy. " - vanima ephel
I fancy myself an ME BFF (Book/Film Fan)
Thranduil Appreciation
Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XVIII
I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII | XIV | XV | XVI | XVI
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare! Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
Oct 16 2014, 3:40am
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The collectors are probably gearing up. Wonder what cereal box promo will the different parts be found in?
"I'll say dark and gritty, which, with the Elvenking, translates as Hot and Sexy. " - vanima ephel
I fancy myself an ME BFF (Book/Film Fan)
Thranduil Appreciation
Tis true: more appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies. Threadcount: XVIII
I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII | XIV | XV | XVI | XVI
Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare! Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August)
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk
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haarp
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Oct 16 2014, 6:44am
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one of the worst characters in film history, no depth, just a generic villain
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Mooseboy018
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Oct 16 2014, 7:29am
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While I do agree that Azog isn't very interesting and is pretty generic, I have to wonder if it's even really possible for an Orc to have "depth". I guess actually mentioning that Bolg is Azog's son could have accomplished that to a certain degree, but how much depth could you really get (or expect to get) from an Orc?
And sometimes I think giving a villain "depth" can actually be pretty generic and artificial anyway. I get tired of movie villains that have overly complicated backstories or motives that are supposed to make us care about them more or make them more interesting. When all it does is feel really forced. I'm not saying screenwriters shouldn't bother with trying to make engaging villains, but I think sometimes a villain can just be a villain. A bad guy that does bad things. But of course if that's all Azog is, then there's the issue of why they even bothered making him seem so important to the story in the first place.
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boldog
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Oct 16 2014, 7:37am
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The only problem to me with Azog
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Is his motif. Its just never been made clear in the two films so far.
Revenge of a severed limb?
Seems Pretty stupid to seek revenge over, considering all the possibilities that have emerged from the severed limb. (Claw hand, Sword hand)
I really hope that Bot5a puts that little bit of depth into Azogs motif against the line of durin, and particularly Thorin
I believe that Azog and Bolg are possibly the only two orcs who may be an exception to the typical evil nature of an orc. Azog had brought up his son, well enough that he actually acknowledges him as his own son. That is a first for any orc. And Bolg sets out to march upon Erebor in vengeance of his fathers death. How many orcs will Try and avenge another dead orc? Most will just forget about the dead one. This gives me hope that Orcs, have some traits of good in them, even if it is small aspects.
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Arannir
Doriath
Oct 16 2014, 7:55am
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I agree that usually it feels weird and shallow if screenwriters try to somehow create depth for a villain... it often ends up looking like ridiculous psychology 101.
For an Orc villain he is a great villain, imho. And different because he has a personal agenda compared to the LotR orcs.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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dormouse
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Oct 16 2014, 8:40am
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They made it pretty clear that Azog hated dwarves before....
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... the severed limb, and that's consistent with Tolkien. Orcs hate, and kill because it's what they do - with the suggestion buried deep in the mythology that they do this because they are a twisted and ruined form of life.
In Thorin's case I'd say that Azog's hatred is intensified by the fact that Thorin stood up to him and made him look weak and vulnerable - that's a stronger motive for Azog's desire for revenge than a severed arm. (Though I doubt if Azog shares the idea that the loss of an arm was not so bad in itself...)
In any case, it seems motive enough to me - I'd rather they didn't give Azog any more backstory than he has already.
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boldog
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Oct 16 2014, 8:47am
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It is hard to build depth in an Orc Villain
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Because they are made to be purely evil beings, born without any knowledge of good. They are generically evil, so that is one reason why there is a few problems with Azog being a "boring" villain. Because there isnt much room to play around with!
In Azogs case, the few facts, that he has a son, he is an ancient orc (movieverse), and he has had s previous encounter with several protagonists, is enough IMHO, to give him some depth.
I believe that Azog and Bolg are possibly the only two orcs who may be an exception to the typical evil nature of an orc. Azog had brought up his son, well enough that he actually acknowledges him as his own son. That is a first for any orc. And Bolg sets out to march upon Erebor in vengeance of his fathers death. How many orcs will Try and avenge another dead orc? Most will just forget about the dead one. This gives me hope that Orcs, have some traits of good in them, even if it is small aspects.
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Elessar
Doriath
Oct 16 2014, 1:30pm
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Badass, imo. I want a statue of armored Azog.
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Silmaril
Nargothrond
Oct 16 2014, 2:03pm
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Those posters are the best ever! Wow! Really Epic!
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http://collider.com/the-hobbit-battle-of-the-five-armies-posters/
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Scorchster
Ossiriand
Oct 16 2014, 2:05pm
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Azog's looking great - suitably intimidating! Looks like my un-armoured Azoh fears are unfounded as well. Love it!
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Silmaril
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Oct 16 2014, 2:06pm
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Azog looks better than ever before. I hope they did work on Bolg too for BOFA and DOS EE!
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Bishop
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Oct 16 2014, 4:10pm
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When Jackson decided to make Azog the main bad guy and dedicate large narrative chunks of the film to his pursuit of the Dwarves, it was his responsibility to make the character more than just a generic baddy. And the addition of Bolg could be interesting, but there's no sense of relationship between them at all. They spend all of 20 seconds together. No scene with the two of them discussing with any depth what the heck is going on. And honestly, I'm not even sure the casual movie goer understands they're related. I'm hoping that the third film, with its overt dedication to the battle itself and all that is at stake after 2 films of non stop Dwarf pursuit, will be a major payoff.
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Fàfnir
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Oct 16 2014, 6:48pm
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Herman Melville must be rolling in his grave right now. //
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Elessar
Doriath
Oct 16 2014, 6:58pm
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And I do hope to see a little more improvement on Bolg but I did like his look.
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