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Avandel
Half-elven

Jun 10 2014, 11:47pm

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Ever get a song stuck in your head? How about a visual ruining a movie? Can't Post

So OK, I think films can be hard enough on both men and women, fanning the flames of our many insecurities - looks, money, lack of excitement, etc. Think of the Hobbit films alone, or as one woman once posted, she leaned over to her husband and whispered "Snow White got cheated....":



I myself can't even look in a mirror, out of shame and despair of what I will never be, never could be (I blame my parents of course):



So that's bad enough, and worth years of therapy to learn "acceptance" - to be happy with who you are. But on top of ALL that, which makes films hard enough to watch anyway - how about having a movie ruined FOREVER because some CRUEL person just HAD to make a pointed observation, that will FOREVER prevent you from embracing a film, because you are too busy laughing?

For instance, we have the evil Matrix 2 twins:


But this edgy ground-breaking sequel has been shattered for me, ALWAYS, when the Movie Juice site pointed out that Milli Vanilli wasn't exactly scary:


And now it's happened to me AGAIN, tho in this case it was entirely innocent I am sure. So someone on TORn happens to mention Ghostbusters. Within hours I see this:


Exciting, right? The entire web is ablaze with excitement! A costume leak! The new BATSUIT!

But upon seeing this new and improved Batman, the FIRST thing that pops into my head is:



Whatever one thinks of Mr. Affleck as Batman, it's too late for me. Because I will never be able to look at this new Batman and not see the marshmallow man. It's not a one-to-one likeness, but I can't get the marshmallow man out of my head, thanks to the Batsuit image being everywhere. I suppose the new Batsuit is supposed to be well-muscled and all, but to me it looks like, like, well, you know. Evil Whatever I might have thought of this film, it's already over for me.


Cirashala
Tol Eressea


Jun 11 2014, 1:20am

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HAHA! [In reply to] Can't Post

That's funny Laugh

I also share your sentiment- there comes a point where someone is just TOO muscular, and reminds me of those Looney Tune cartoons where someone will "inflate" themselves to look muscular- it's just too, I don't know, fake.

I thought you might enjoy this:

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Snow-White-Dwarf-Sitter-352831942

Cheated indeed Angelic



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Avandel
Half-elven

Jun 11 2014, 3:45am

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Adorable - thank you! [In reply to] Can't Post

So cute! - and the look of the Disney dwarves is priceless!

Yes, agree, too EXTREME musculature is, is - well - from now on I'll be thinking of s'mores.Evil Tho maybe because it's supposed to be a comic book character and they are giving a nod of sorts to that kind of art, but for me it's distracting.

PS. ANY of the hobbit dwarves have ruined other dwarves for me anyway. Other film depictions just don't seem "dwarfy" any more. If I thought about it, that started with Gimli, and with more dwarves in the next film I would not want to be a director that had to have dwarves (or I would call in WETA).


Kim
Valinor


Jun 11 2014, 4:01am

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OK, it took me a while [In reply to] Can't Post

to get past the first couple of photos. Evil But once I did, I must say, I see your point. I agree that the new Batsuit is just too puffy, so thanks to your visuals and association, I will now picture the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man. So thanks for that. Tongue Not that I was planning on seeing the movie anyways, so it's all good.


A side observation: in the last XMen movie, the first shot of Wolverine in the past had a similar effect - he was just too muscle-y and vein-y. And I happened to catch the first one on tv the other day (which came out in 2000! Shocked) and Hugh Jackman was nowhere near as muscle-y. I much prefer the original look.



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Meneldor
Valinor


Jun 11 2014, 4:37am

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The next time someone asks if you're a bat... [In reply to] Can't Post

...SAY YES!!!


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 11 2014, 2:16pm

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Snow White definitely got the short end... And I need a mindwipe of that Batsuit [In reply to] Can't Post


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Think of the Hobbit films alone, or as one woman once posted, she leaned over to her husband and whispered "Snow White got cheated....":


Thanks to PJ and the prof, all the varieties of garden squatting denizens can never be the same ever again. Disney? pffft... Poor, poor Snow White though.




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And now it's happened to me AGAIN, tho in this case it was entirely innocent I am sure. So someone on TORn happens to mention Ghostbusters. Within hours I see this:


Exciting, right? The entire web is ablaze with excitement! A costume leak! The new BATSUIT!

But upon seeing this new and improved Batman, the FIRST thing that pops into my head is:



Whatever one thinks of Mr. Affleck as Batman, it's too late for me. Because I will never be able to look at this new Batman and not see the marshmallow man. It's not a one-to-one likeness, but I can't get the marshmallow man out of my head, thanks to the Batsuit image being everywhere. I suppose the new Batsuit is supposed to be well-muscled and all, but to me it looks like, like, well, you know. Evil Whatever I might have thought of this film, it's already over for me.

It took YEARS for Batman to be taken seriously again, thanks to Nolan and Bale. Now... thanks to you, I get higher intimidation vibes from this guy.


(PS GREAT thread, Avandel!)


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

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phij2
Rivendell


Jun 11 2014, 3:11pm

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laughs.... [In reply to] Can't Post

oh, the marshmallow man!! Laugh

and poor snow white indeed Evil


Avandel
Half-elven

Jun 11 2014, 9:36pm

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Lurker, I'm gonna miss BOFA 'coz I just died from the cuteness of that vid! [In reply to] Can't Post

OMGHeartHeartHeartHeartHeart Actually my own fluffy little slug-eater was (and is) that cute - only because MadMadMad the *bleep bleep bleep* who left her to starve at a dumpster ended up w. her being undersized. But rescued and then to be adopted by me so yeah, there was a happy ending tho I believe I ended up with the best part of the deal (of course those who abused her - well, can't print that opinionMad)

*AHEM* back OT.

Before a comic book or graphic artist takes me to task, e.g. possibly the new Batman costume w. emphasized physicalities? is something ICONIC and true to the material, and I.Just.Don't.Get.It. - well, of course there is nothing WRONG with an iconic costume and even while provoking giggles may still make you feel warm and fuzzy.

Consider an iconic heroine, surely worthy of being a role model for all, male and female:



But I dare ANYONE who has ever been in a mall, or an airport smelling the cinnamon wafting from a certain store, or even has one of those Moms (like me!!!) or relatives or cooks, to NOT think of:



Yes - the infamous hair buns! Yet do we think less of our Princess for that? I certainly don't. Because she's spirited and noble and just gosh-darn refreshing, and anyway guess someone decided she needed a hairstyle that was bit more dignified re the sequels (I won't speak to the delightful Jabba-the-Hut costume - tho did being dressed in scarves and bits of scrap metal slow Leia down? Not at all - you go girl!!!)

Now I contrast the now-fimly-imbedded image of Mr. Stay-Puft with my reactions to, say, Legolas' Mirkwood armor:



My reaction was FASCINATION - it's armor, but has this organic quality to it - not to mention patterning reflecting the natural world - and skilled crafting.

Or Thranduil:



And if you look at a larger version of this, or various up close images of the elves - that's Lee Pace under that cloth. No body faking.

Well, our hobbit dwarves, they were all padded up one way or the other - but outside of visually making them, as designed, to look strong albeit chunky, there's no EXTREME physicality inappropriate to the character: For instance:



"Thorin turns the key" - strongly sculpted arms - yes, as would befit a hammer/sword- wielding dwarf warrior. But no Popeye. Even the FINGERNAILS are short and "dwarfy" and just plain dirty.

And of course, there is the immediate impact - and I think a very successful impact - of the dwarf costumes themselves.
Consider Thorin's original travel gear:



From Thorin's entrance at Bag End, outside of my besottedness for the character, for the first time in my life I was entranced by armor. Because of my fascination I would actually learn words like "brigandine" and "fauld".



In the darkness of Bag End, this small plating gleams like jewels. How is this made? I don't know to this day, But I remain entrancedHeart. Also by:



E.g. the leatherwork, the textures - there's probably not a character in the Hobbit whose costume I would not give much to have in my hands - just to turn over and study and wonder at. And IMO that doesn't superbly frame the character - this is true for other movies like POTC. That goes right down to the Hobbit boots, from Thorin's dirt-clotted metal-and-fur strapped boot coming down on the key to Thranduil's elegant leather boot firmly quieting some annoying orc twitches LOL.Cool

This, for me, not so much.


Just sayin', this is not working for me, and it doesn't help that this fabric up close isn't working for me either and I start thinking about veins and stuff eeeeuuuwUnsure - e.g. a costume IMO should draw you INTO a character and a film - or even if it reminds you of breakfast pastry as in the Princess' case, hopefully the strength of the character can override those annoying images that pop in my head - LOL like Thorin managed to do successfully dressed in what appears to be a ratty bathrobeSly. Admittedly Thorin has an unfair advantage of magnificent hair and Smaug manages to torch the outfit anyway.Evil

So perhaps, ultimately, Ben Affleck, a notably fine actor and director, will be able to blot the marshmallow man from my headCrazy? Don't know, I seem to be pretty fixated, and hard to get someone to forget an icon like Mr. Stay-Puft.


Dwarewien
Rohan


Jun 11 2014, 10:18pm

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How about a visual distracting you too much? [In reply to] Can't Post

because that's what happens to me every time Thorin's on screen (younger, older, doesn't matter, it's the same character, and actor, thank goodness). As for having a song stuck in my head? All too often, I think they call this ear worms, but I'm not certain. Though why it's always a song that I'm not that fond of, I'll never know. I've never been bothered by any of the visuals in any of the movies. Sure, it may not be how I originally pictured the character and/or location (though it is now), but I've never been that bothered by what the filmmakers finally settled on. I'm glad that they didn't go with what they were originally planning for Thorin, that was a little too much, and even Peter knew that most of us female admirers (as well as some of us future ones, since I had to see AUJ seven times before I switched favorites) wouldn't be impressed by what they were originally planning. I also didn't like Kili with longer hair, he looks better with it shorter. They possibly settled on this so that we could tell the difference between uncle and nephew, because they were a little too similar.

Even though I was into Star Wars for a short time, I've never wanted to do the "hair bun" thing. It wasn't that my hair wasn't long enough, I just didn't think it was that good a look. Now, I get all my hair ideas from Thorin (seriously). Weird how favorite characters influence you, but it's not often the guys (until now). I once had the same style as Jennifer Grey's character in Dirty Dancing. Didn't suit me at all, since I'm not a fan of the poodle dog look. Ick, I think I'll stick with Thorin's style (whether the younger or older versions), at least it looks better.Wink

Far over the Misty Mountains cold
To dungeons deep and caverns old
We must away, ere break of day
To find our long-forgotten gold.





Avandel
Half-elven

Jun 11 2014, 11:23pm

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Perhaps a comic book artist/expert will weigh in [In reply to] Can't Post

In that, I've notice re graphic arts, a great deal of comic art seems to emphasize the extreme, and I think this works on PAPER. Not my favorite style but it's the media itself - but I think among others Peter Jackson thought long and hard about what will translate from book pages onto the screen. I've often thought that Gandalf's appearance is incredibly successful, with his often grungy appearance and simple linen? robes. I had a much more Disney-esque image in my head, much CLEANER, and often think how completely RIGHT Gandalf the Grey looks.

And I'm not picking on Batman - can't remember even thinking that much about Batman's costume before - it was sort of shiny, black, with lots of cool tools on his belt, there was a cape, so guess it worked for me so far, more or less. And it's not that I don't get fixated on visuals in the Hobbit - for instance while I don't have as strong a reaction to the infamous Radagast poo as some, and can even appreciate the nod back to literature, it DOES bother me that in DOS it hadn't dried and cracked off, or just been washed offUnsure.

And the magnificent Thorin - so the first thing that pops into my head after Laketown is "they stuffed my beloved mountain king into a thrift store bathrobe made from some tatty bedspread!"Shocked



Yep, looks like a bathrobe to me. But to paraphrase Will Smith from Men in Black, Thorin makes that look good [majestic]. LOL sometimes life just isn't fair.Cool


Avandel
Half-elven

Jun 11 2014, 11:44pm

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Distractions of the best kind [In reply to] Can't Post

Oh, I think the Hobbit is loaded with those - I'd say the sheer beauty of Beorn's ponies is a distraction for example, just because I would have loved a few more seconds of that scene, and miss not having that.

Re Thorin's original look - backed by the acting skills of RA - knowing what I know now of the character, he still would have been my favorite. Thorin was my favorite in the book so I was biased to begin with, and outside of ratcheting the brow and nose back which (like with some other characters) was just TOO big - IMO from the Appendices could barely see a face - I could have gone for the craggy, older look they had on Thorin - plus what looked like wilder hair. (Think the original costume needed to go, tho, it was just TOO busy with the diagonal edging - simpler and dark blue much better IMO).

So Thorin gets "idealized" features in the end which are definitely striking, but I'd still yawn my way through the character without the script and performance behind it.Cool Plus, at least for me, it does come across that this as RA describes a "character with little vanity" tho one of the subtle ways - possibly - the dragon sickness is shown is that in the French DOS poster, Thorin's wearing a thumb ring, and more bling just doesn't strike me as something Thorin was into.Crazy


Meneldor
Valinor


Jun 12 2014, 1:59am

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Brigandine & Fauld [In reply to] Can't Post

You have taken your first step into a larger world.


How is that armor made, you ask? Looks to me like cast or molded plates riveted to leather or heavy fabric.


They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep.


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 12 2014, 4:57am

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Request for new life from Aule now. Deploy the moth! ... and a few more musings [In reply to] Can't Post

Thorin will surely tool an appropriately pompous letter of commendation in matte mithril finish and dust of Arkenstone highlights for your unwavering allegiance. Even if it's just for a daypass to the premiere. Smile



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Lurker, I'm gonna miss BOFA 'coz I just died from the cuteness of that vid!

And teh CUTEZ is real. Real genuine baby fluff, real kitteny dose of serious. Sly



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OMGHeartHeartHeartHeartHeart Actually my own fluffy little slug-eater was (and is) that cute - only because MadMadMad the *bleep bleep bleep* who left her to starve at a dumpster ended up w. her being undersized. But rescued and then to be adopted by me so yeah, there was a happy ending tho I believe I ended up with the best part of the deal (of course those who abused her - well, can't print that opinionMad)

Mmmmmmuch much Heart to you for adopting, Avandel! My sister and I do too - minions to a grumpy blind old girl and a psycho
catist tabby who wants to kill her but is a total human adorer at the present. We also did the snip on the neighbourhood population for a long while... and in the process provided a place for a few old rickety unwanteds we came across to live out their last. Burnt holes in the pocket but it was dust and smoke compared to the dignity and health of the snipped ones. So yes, I share that same unprintable opinion of pet abusers and abandoners.


Yes... back to OT now. Agreed to all you've said, Avandel. Below are emphasis and further discussion on specific points. Smile



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Before a comic book or graphic artist takes me to task, e.g. possibly the new Batman costume w. emphasized physicalities? is something ICONIC and true to the material, and I.Just.Don't.Get.It. - well, of course there is nothing WRONG with an iconic costume and even while provoking giggles may still make you feel warm and fuzzy.

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But I dare ANYONE who has ever been in a mall, or an airport smelling the cinnamon wafting from a certain store, or even has one of those Moms (like me!!!) or relatives or cooks, to NOT think of:


At least the princess got a presentable look together. When I think of Amidala, I can't even...

Re buns, gotta go regional baby. How's about some of these fluffy babies for a change?


Even deadlier calorically speaking than plain old cinnamon buns could ever dream of Sly

Or these cuties?


Guaranteed to stay fluff and puff, unless deliberate acts of deflation are applied. Leia will never experience a bad bun day with these perfect spheres. Nevah! (Personally I prefer the sesame fillings, and I'd take peanut over the red bean ones depicted)



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Now I contrast the now-fimly-imbedded image of Mr. Stay-Puft with my reactions to, say, Legolas' Mirkwood armor:



My reaction was FASCINATION - it's armor, but has this organic quality to it - not to mention patterning reflecting the natural world - and skilled crafting.

Truly. Was it Kim who mentioned Wolverine's physique in his first flick compared to the latest? I got the same vibe. There is such a thing as going over the top with the muscling up of the human physique. In comparison, this guy was juuuuuust right. I'm glad they didn't try to up the ante with him.


*AHEM* back to costumes and the gorgeous armour in TH. I Heart the designs and the make. All the way back in the LotR days, this guy in his armour was just *THUD*


All horse-lord! (who needs faking... I remember a Karl Urban mention that said he worked out in order to be able to carry the 20lb weight of his armour all day without crumbling from it)


I'd expect the fine tradition to continue in TH, and certainly, I'm not disappointed.

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Or Thranduil:



And if you look at a larger version of this, or various up close images of the elves - that's Lee Pace under that cloth. No body faking.

LOL body faking... got to remember that term. Truly, LP has the frame and the mass... au naturel Heart

Strapping shoulders...check


Great arms... check


Broad back... check


Height... check

(Okaaaay... tell me why am I so enthusiastically posting these here? I got to get them to the appreciation thread Tongue)


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Well, our hobbit dwarves, they were all padded up one way or the other - but outside of visually making them, as designed, to look strong albeit chunky, there's no EXTREME physicality inappropriate to the character

Oh yes! Since FotR I've been amazed at the closeups of the hobbit hands, and in TH, the dwarf hands too. (I should post that close-up of Thranduil's bejeweled hand - no CGI needed I believe, but I'll apply restraint here Blush ) Overall, I do feel the attention to these details are just pure HeartHeartHeartHeartHeart from the production team.



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for the first time in my life I was entranced by armor. Because of my fascination I would actually learn words like "brigandine" and "fauld".

Me too! Me too! Erm... care to share your learning resources? Smile Much thanks in advance.


Anyway, in summary (before the thralling quotient derails the original topic), there are visuals and there are visuals. Some change our worldview for ever. Definitely some are an improvement (HeartHeartHeart to the ME world), but some are just... gah-poke-my-eyes-out-please!




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grammaboodawg
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Jun 12 2014, 9:09am

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*high five* I hear ya!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Both about our mirror images ;) and having things ruined forever because I heard or saw something that tainted the moment. There are several for LotR and not The Hobbit... not to mention BUNCHES of other movies. BUT I am now blessed with a failing memory gland... so many things are new again!! :D

I have to admit about the songs being stuck in my head.... the years of Teletubbies still give me nightmares ;)



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I'm SO HAPPY these new films take me back to that magical world!!



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elf-lady
Rivendell

Jun 12 2014, 12:59pm

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Not a song but how about "salami"? [In reply to] Can't Post

I couldn't help noticing during my very first viewing of The Fellowship of the Ring during the bridge of Khazad Dum scene, where the fellowship is running away from the Balrog onto the crumbling stairway, that the male choir sounded like they were singing "who got salami?" at a certain point. I shared my observation with friends, family and members of a now recently defunct forum (http://www.council-of-elrond.com) and promptly "ruined" the scene for them (in a funny way). Now everyone I've pointed it out to says "I can't watch that scene without laughing!"

So if you want to be ruined...play the soundtrack and listen closely at about the 3:15 through 3:17 mark. Evil Here's the yootoob link The Bridge of Khazad Dum


Magpie
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Jun 12 2014, 2:01pm

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If it helps any, I can give you the actual line: [In reply to] Can't Post

Urkhas tanakhi!

Which means, "The Demon comes!"

:-)

But it does sound like 'Who got salami."


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 12 2014, 2:03pm

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LOL elf-lady... thanks for planting that earworm in my head // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Avandel
Half-elven

Jun 12 2014, 2:27pm

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By the Valar, just checking the boards TO SEE IF THERE IS NEWS OF A TRAILER RELEASE (lol!Evil) and saw elf-lady's post.

I'm laughing so hard there are tearsSlySlySlySlySly. Bad enough I have to pinch myself over the notorious "They're Taking the Hobbits to Isengard!" vid.

Not to mention I have a good Sicilian friend w. the faintest of accents, and he's just the kind of person who'd lean over in the middle of a film and say something like "Glad to know it's not just me. This is just like that nutcase at work who stole my salami out of the fridge."

Oh gawds.......SlySlySlySlySly


Avandel
Half-elven

Jun 12 2014, 9:23pm

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Armor and croissants and grubbiness [In reply to] Can't Post

Lurker - WHAT is that delectable looking edible in the first pic? Is that a croissant? A fried-dough-heart-attack-on-a-plate funnel cake? MmmmmmmmHeart

I stand up and applaud your kitty work - I tell yah, when I think back to watching my little fluff-ball Heartactually purr when she ate, and seeing her little tummy all nice and full, and now when she crouches down and wiggles her behind when she is about to pounce on something and looks at me to turn the faucet on (LOL she likes her water FRESH - I'm the lady of the silver fountain!) - no matter what else I do in the world, at least I did something right. I know it's tough $$$ and we do what we can (I've got 2 othersHeart) but watching these guys all flopped around snoozing while I watch (drool) a Hobbit film - I've thought of all the money I've wasted on impulse buys. What you and your sister did is amazingAngelicAngelic and someday I hope to do more *sigh* because at the end of the day, I've never regretted a cent I've spent on an animal and I still think I get the best part of the bargain.

Your LP images just proved my point - casting for natural inherent ability and body type, tho of course it's admirable when an actor works out like a maniac for a part. But re Lee Pace - outside of a trained dancer - just the way he twists to comment to Thorin "you have found a way in" - how many comments of serpentine, graceful were made about that one movement? It was natural, fluid. (And OK, I noticed Thranduil's elegant, beautiful hands. And nails *sigh*Evil)

With RA after all that "he's too young" flack - I still snicker thinking about Thorin rising from the pine tree, as easily as a leopard - oh, sure, let's stuff someone older and less flexible in that scene, at which point we wouldn't have the scene at all, because they would fall over and it would be like Monty Python. No. I love this sceneHeart



You asked about my sources - well FYI the last Thranduil thread inspired me so much BTW, I cast my net into Amazon and ended up with some nice, albeit dated, books about Welsh and British folklore. Point being this old material, even tho often tough to wade through - is inexpensive or free and still has some great stuff. Re information about armour - well, that started small. I was fascinated with Orcrist too - always liked swords and knives, so actually the Heirs of Durin site was a great resource to start with on dwarf weapons, and then once I started I meandered through the web - even You-Tube - watching people actually make swords. Re the armour, that started really with Thorin's armour/costume - and I guess a lot of other folks were fascinated as well, because I got a lot of good tips and terminology from costumers and cosplayers who put up tutorials.

I'd get fascinated with the costume and want to know the layers, the construction like Meneldor commented. For instance:



Are the chain-mail sleeves actually attached to the leather? Because this looks like a leather tunic over another mail shirt, but then the "belt" and the "flaps" fascinated me - is this some kind of skirt? How does this all go together? And a poster kindly explained that Thorin is wearing "tassets" - flaps that protect the legs.

So now I'm moving onto books, instead of just wandering around the net. Of course the best armour books seem to be $$$ but I am trying to get through a book called Armour and Weapons by Charles Ffoulkes that cost about a dollar on Amazon - it's dated and can be hard to get through (published originally 1909!) but there's some good stuff here. Like just how HEAVY armour could be - one helmet in a museum weighs in at 25 pounds. And another thing I found interesting - even after my own parodying of the Heirs of Durin not exactly wearing a lot of protective armour as I would think of it - turns out in real life, this book comments that soldiers, knights, etc. would discard their armour anyway, or pieces of it in an actual military campaign. Because it WAS just too hot and heavy. And that there's a lot of missing information as armourers were so secretive about their skilled craft. And how plate armour was designed so that a sword or javelin would actually slide off - all kinds of interesting information IMO.

"Thorin will surely tool an appropriately pompous letter of commendation in matte mithril finish and dust of Arkenstone highlights for your unwavering allegiance. Even if it's just for a daypass to the premiere."

Well, my unwavering allegiance for the King Under the Mountain:


is pretty much a given *grins* for all the reasons and more a thread on the Hobbit forum went through. The glazed, yet peculiarly focused intensity my eyes must have when Thorin is on screen would probably terrify other movie-goers if they cared to look - my eyes are probably glowing like a Warg's. But just for you Thranduil Thralls (huh):



Majestic? or Fabulous?

BTW, I say unto you, Lurker, since you mentioned my loyalty to a "grubby king" or something like that - I say unto you, that yeah verily, tho I have wandered far, many hard roads have my dusty sandals traveled, and lo! many guilty pleasures crammed with very greasy, dirty male pulchritude have I witnessed (like laughing myself sick at the Expendables which was SO over-the-top), in all the long days, and turning seasons, I was blind, bored, indifferent until I beheld such majesty, fire, and beauty as I would not have believed could have existed, in this world or the next. As an insignificant mote I would be ground beneath his strap'ed feet and call myself blessed.Wink



Yep, sometimes I think where Thorin is concerned, the grubbier the betterTongueCool.


elf-lady
Rivendell

Jun 12 2014, 9:33pm

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Urkhas tanakhi!

Which means, "The Demon comes!"

:-)

But it does sound like 'Who got salami."

Thanks Magpie!


Magpie
Immortal


Jun 12 2014, 9:56pm

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I have a whole website of stuff like this [In reply to] Can't Post

points to link in my footer.

For what is being sung... look for the link: Lyrics Master List


LOTR soundtrack website ~ magpie avatar gallery
TORn History Mathom-house ~ Torn Image Posting Guide


Arandiel
Grey Havens

Jun 13 2014, 6:30am

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The main theme to 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' - sometimes, [In reply to] Can't Post

all I can think as it's playing is:
'Kiss a wookie, kick a droid,
Fly the Falcon through an asteroid
'Til the princess is annoyed...'

The 'John Williams Tribute' on y-tube is a great one for generating earworm lyrics for Indy, Superman, E.T., Jaws, Jurassic Park, Close Encounters...


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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 13 2014, 3:03pm

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Asian croissants, kitties and wielder of the silver fountain [In reply to] Can't Post


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Lurker - WHAT is that delectable looking edible in the first pic? Is that a croissant? A fried-dough-heart-attack-on-a-plate funnel cake? MmmmmmmmHeart

It is indeed an Asian croissant, origin China (Click on the pic to go to the source and read about it). At least it's a version. Around my neck of the woods, THIS is our croissant, a breakfast staple. Smile


Roti Prata is its name - imagine an egg in it, and dousing it in curry gravy... HEAVEN!!!!!!



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LOL she likes her water FRESH - I'm the lady of the silver fountain!

She's not called Dis, is she? LOL... you are the bona fide lady of Erebor!



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What you and your sister did is amazingAngelicAngelic and someday I hope to do more *sigh* because at the end of the day, I've never regretted a cent I've spent on an animal and I still think I get the best part of the bargain.

Blush Well, it wasn't in our lifeplan to be crazy cat ladies... but we moved to a then new place which necessitated walks across a busy junction to get to the train, and one too many kitten roadkills at the crossing while we wait to cross the road just messed up our heads so much we had to do something that is actually effective. AlleyCat.org was one of the inspiration, and we learnt the newfangled acronym TNRM - what a refreshing notion, solving the problem without killing, and instead putting in place a solution to discourage kitty hanky panky.

And yes, no regrets at all, even though the money-pinching days due to the snip service.



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But re Lee Pace - outside of a trained dancer - just the way he twists to comment to Thorin "you have found a way in" - how many comments of serpentine, graceful were made about that one movement? It was natural, fluid. (And OK, I noticed Thranduil's elegant, beautiful hands. And nails *sigh*Evil)

well, this is a bit strange -
googling didn't turn up any of those 2 images Crazy


Re source: Thanks for sharing. I will have to look into it Smile



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But just for you Thranduil Thralls (huh):



Majestic? or Fabulous?

awww... thanks. Two words: Fabulous majesty!




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BTW, I say unto you, Lurker, since you mentioned my loyalty to a "grubby king" or something like that - I say unto you, that yeah verily, tho I have wandered far, many hard roads have my dusty sandals traveled, and lo! many guilty pleasures crammed with very greasy, dirty male pulchritude have I witnessed (like laughing myself sick at the Expendables which was SO over-the-top), in all the long days, and turning seasons, I was blind, bored, indifferent until I beheld such majesty, fire, and beauty as I would not have believed could have existed, in this world or the next. As an insignificant mote I would be ground beneath his strap'ed feet and call myself blessed.Wink

Thy unwavering loyalty shalt be rewarded facetiously. (Re: Expendables - I was enjoying myself too. Loved Brian Cox's love-lorn russian spy)


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Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Darkstone
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Jun 13 2014, 3:17pm

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"SAWAH!!!"



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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”


(This post was edited by Darkstone on Jun 13 2014, 3:18pm)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Jun 13 2014, 3:24pm

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too late ... // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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