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Treebeard — 6. Open Discussion


May 4 2008, 4:00pm

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Well, it’s been a very enjoyable week for me – hopfully, for all of you too. It was great fun leading my first chapter discussion, and I hope to do it again in the future. Thanks to everyone who responded all week; and thanks, too, for the patience with my rather Entish long-windedness. I think we made some real progress toward a deeper understanding of the chapter. Also, one or two people seemed to enjoy the little bits of humor I tried to inject here and there. I’m glad that was well-received.

So, now I’d like to close out the week by opening the discussion up for any bits and pieces any of you might like to bring up. Anything you think I left out? Anything you want to revisit? And of course, the previous days’ threads remain open too – feel free to continue to conversation there as well as here. And I’ll continue to chime in myself, responding to some of the replies over the last day or two.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled broadcast already in progress ...

Hm, hoom, thanks to all! Wink

Jason Fisher
Lingwë - Musings of a Fish

The Lord of the Rings discussion 2007-2008 – The Two Towers – III.4 “Treebeard” – Part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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May 4 2008, 10:25pm

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May 4 2008, 10:35pm

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Now, if only we could send a delegation of ents to the next international conference on the environment...

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May 4 2008, 11:35pm

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I've had fun this week. You had so many interesting questions!

"O Elbereth! Gilthoniel!
We still remember, we who dwell
In this far land beneath the trees,
Thy starlight on the Western Seas."


May 5 2008, 12:09am

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Although I didn’t intend to, I’ve turned the leaves of a few books already researching questions on "The Ruin" that you’ve planted in my mind. It’s funny how once you’ve twigged to an idea, the subject just branches out in all directions.

Thanks to you and everyone else for raising interesting questions.

Beren IV

May 5 2008, 6:23am

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Thanks for leading - too bad I've been too busy to come around much!

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May 5 2008, 6:45am

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First thing, it reassures me for my first time, in 'The Black Gate is Closed'.

But more important, it leaves me waiting for the chapter you'll lead in ROTK!

Thanks for this week!

Since you've asked us to post additional questions, I would continue in the vein of your question about Pippin's later description of Ents' eyes.

1. 'The Uruk-hai' was clearly told from Pippin's point of view. Does this continue in 'Treebeard'? Note that the destruction of Isengard (in 'Flotsam and Jetsam') is also described mainly by him.

The next two questions assume the answer to the previous question is yes. If you do not think so, use them to strengthen your position!

2. Do you think Merry would have described it differently?

3. As we know (from the Prologue, and a few other places) - Merry was the one with a better head for maps, languages etc. In 'The Palantir' he even prides himself on his curiousity! While Pippin seems to be more of a tween-ager. Would a chapter told by Merry treat the abundance of lore scattered in this chapter differently? Consider his thoughts and impressions of the strange foreign lands he is, in 'The Ride of the Rohirrim'.

4. And while we look at that chapter, is there any connection between the Druedain's forest (I forgot it's name), and Fangorn? Visualweasel pointed out connections between Fangorn and The Old Forest, Mirkwood, Lothlorien and the forests of Beleriand. Is this forest any different?

Well, that's my try.

But on a final note, I am usually very interested with your reading of the books. And I felt this week's discussion was just the chapter for you - it brought out the best (and some would add, and the other) parts of you! Thanks again!

"I'm not going to do anything with you: not if by that you mean 'do something to you' without your leave. We might do some things together" - Treebeard


May 5 2008, 7:47am

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Unfortunately I was away for most of the week, and still haven't managed to read through all of these very interesting threads. I'm looking forward to doing so, though - I can already see that there's a lot of great stuff in there!

...and the sails were drawn up, and the wind blew,
and slowly the ship slipped away down the long grey firth;
and the light of the glass of Galadriel that Frodo bore
glimmered and was lost.

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May 5 2008, 8:56pm

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even though I mostly lurked.

As far as entish-long-windedness goes, as far as I'm concerned, don't hold back! You had a lot of very interesting things to say.

"For DORA BAGGINS in memory of a LONG correspondence, with love from Bilbo; on a large wastebasket. Dora was Drogo's sister, and the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo; she was ninety-nine, and had written reams of good advice for more than half a century."
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May 6 2008, 9:58pm

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This has been a most unusual (for me, at least) look at the Treebeard chapter! I'm still in the process of reading everything, there's so much here and it's all good.

Hoom, ah, thank you!

"I desired dragons with a profound desire"

"It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?"
-Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915

N.E. Brigand

Mar 25 2009, 4:22am

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Or was that only Treebeard’s home, to which they have all retreated?
Did they have a particular birthplace, or did they awake across Middle-earth?

Naturally such a long chapter always leaves more to wonder about, but thanks for working over so much of it, vw!

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Mar 25 2009, 1:37pm

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Naturally such a long chapter always leaves more to wonder about, but thanks for working over so much of it, vw!

Even nearly a year later, hahae. Wink

Jason Fisher
Lingwë - Musings of a Fish

The Lord of the Rings discussion 2007-2008 – The Two Towers – III.4 “Treebeard” – Part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
“On Fairy-stories” discussion 2008 – “Origins” – Part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5


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