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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 5 2014, 2:59pm
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I love this: Hobbit - chapter 16
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Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Eruvandi
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Jun 5 2014, 3:03pm
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Lol. We seem to have the same stream of consciousness!
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I was thinking how, if Tauriel is a PJ/PB/FW creation, she is in a way their fanfiction. But now that they’ve created her, yes I am frustrated by the limitations of screenplay. She exists now! I want to see it all – all of Thranduil’s story, all of Tauriel’s story, yes even all of Legolas’s story… the intervening years before he shows up at the Council of Elrond, the subtle shift in his character. Is his appearance there entirely his own will, or a relaxation of his father’s isolationism – has he been sent? ( But I digress.)
I am also wondering if my developed interest in her and Legolas’s story is, at a subconscious level, a defensive measure – so that if there is not as much about Thranduil in BotFA to satisfy, then at least there could be that to keep me happy. I hope I will not feel disappointed. I guess I have a lot invested in wanting to really like what’s to come, because for me, PJ is ‘da man’ and I really want to trust his vision and get the most that I can out of it. He took two books I’d never read, and made them central to my inner life (with all due respect to the great creator of the source material). And there’s my Kiwi pride too, and my serious interest in all that goes on behind the scenes.
Y’know, when people whinge about the fact there are three films where there really needed only be two, I’m like “the more time I spend in this world, the better!” I personally can’t understand why you’d want less screen time. Because sometimes, when in a certain mood, I don’t see them as movies existing in this world with its critics and timeframes and box office takings, but windows into ME. Heck, gimme four films, gimme five. Gimme a TV serial that follows the Elven back story to the end of time. This is almost exactly how I feel, except for the "defensive measure" part. I totally understand why you feel that way, but in my case, I'm pretty "chillaxed" about the whole thing and plan to just enjoy BotFA for what it is. Pretty much the only unforgivable offense for me would be for them to take Thranduil out of the movie entirely, but with the way everyone, even the people on the movie set have been fawning over him, that's totally not going to happen.
Re PJ being "da man": I feel that way too. I had heard about the LOTR and the Hobbit books for years but was never interested because I thought they were weird. I think I may have tried to read FOTR for a school book report in elementary school, but I found it really confusing because it was long and strange and I couldn't figure out what was happening and by the time I got to Tom Bombadil I just said, "Forget this! It's too weird!" and put it down thinking I'd never pick it up again. Then last year, I got a surprise birthday gift of the Lego LOTR video game which is based on the movies and was disappointed because I had no interest in LOTR. Still, I played it anyway since the Lego games are always fun and somehow it actually made me understand the story for the first time and I fell head over heels in love. If it weren't for the game I wouldn't have watched the movies. If not for the movies I wouldn't have read the books. Now I find myself a dedicated member of the TORn community, and am preparing to read the Silmarillion.
The movies opened the door to Tolkien's world for me and I wouldn't change them for anything, much less say that there should be fewer of them. I'd even watch the TV serial on the elven back story!
"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe
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Eruvandi
Dor-Lomin
Jun 5 2014, 4:36pm
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Would be nice if his reaction had been shown
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Of course, by the time of LOTR Thranduil had become a background character, but if would have been nice, at least for us Thralls, if Tolkien had expounded a bit on his reaction to his son becoming a part of the Fellowship. When thinking about this I have to wonder how much his views on interacting with the outside world had changed by that time. Clearly he had become somewhat more lenient since the days of TH since he was willing to help Gandalf and Aragorn and hold onto Gollum, as well as send his son to Rivendell, but I still have to wonder what his reaction to Legolas volunteering to go into such great danger would have been. Was he upset? Shocked? Scared? Proud? Maybe a combination of all of them? This is (as far as we know) his only son after all.
I can't find the exact passage right now, but IIRC, in ROTK, when the Dunedain showed up out of the blue to support Aragorn, Gimli asked Legolas why they hadn't wished for their kindred to come help them, and Legolas looks off into the distance and says something along the lines of, (This is totally from memory here, after only having read ROTK once. Hope I'm not butchering it.) "I doubt that they would have come. They have no need to march to war when war has already come to their own lands." This, again, leads me to wonder how Thranduil felt about Legolas joining the Fellowship. Did he understand how integral his son's role was to the greater good or is it possible that he was upset because Legolas hadn't come back home "where he was needed"?
Slightly OT: That passage is one of the reasons why, no matter what anyone says, Tauriel would have had no reason to become part of the Fellowship herself, even with the way that she feels about everyone being part of the world. The reason she left Mirkwood in DOS was because Thranduil was doing nothing to stop the encroaching evil, even to the point of allowing orcs to cross their boarders and kill their prisoners. However, if, as is indicated by Legolas in LOTR, the elves of Mirkwood are indeed already taking part in the war, then it should be more than enough reason for her to stay in Mirkwood and fight in defense of her own people which, since that would still be taking action against the darkness. Hey, maybe she was messenger who had to report to Thranduil about Legolas joining the Fellowship!
"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe
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Eruvandi
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Jun 5 2014, 4:57pm
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It's not too dissimilar to how I picture that scene. I picture the characters a bit differently, of course, but the general set up, with Bard and Thranduil standing there, looking at Bilbo incredulously with the fire in between them, and Bilbo holding the Arkenstone (I pictured it as a globe too) and looking a little nervous, is exactly how it is in my head. I like her other pieces too, especially the one with Bilbo getting his spoons back from Lobelia!
(Gosh, I need to stop procrastinating. *slaps hand for procrastination and forces self to log off and go work on algebra* )
"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe
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Kerewyn
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Jun 5 2014, 9:56pm
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Thranduil's living room, and concepts of time
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In Grammaboodawg’s Geeky Observation List, it mentions there appears to be a bed in the background of this scene. Since I’d read that, I’d been thinking of this is as Thranduil’s space adjoining a bedroom. Now the DVD is out and we can review more closely, it appears to be more of a red divan than a bed. I imagine he would have a much grander bed, probably with an ornately carved bedhead – like that chair there, or perhaps with antlers. And it is probably a little more private – unless I am thrusting human values onto elven lifestyle.
Because yes this personal living room area does seem to be quite open, and not just for Tauriel to enter without passing through security - unless they were stationed at the top of the stairs, which she was lingering on. Behind Thranduil at one stage, you can see small bridges leading off into the distance, so one side of his chamber at least is very open. These aren’t rooms, as such, but more like platforms defined by carved pillars and trees and probably visually accessible to all on several sides. (such is the stunning design of his halls!)
I’d think that Thranduil is loved and respected enough by his subjects that he need have no concerns at all, and once one has passed the highly rigorous and dangerous armed guards at the entrance, it is a safe haven within.
Watching that video clip closely, I made a few other geeky observations:
Thranduil has two wine glasses on his table. I wonder who he has been entertaining, or expecting to entertain… or perhaps there is simply an extra glass in case of any visitors.
When he says “….we will endure”, his eyes do a little flicker to the side, as though he has heard or sensed Bilbo slipping away down the side stairs.
This line: “I thought I ordered that nest to be destroyed not two minutes past.” Two minutes past – is this an Elven expression meaning ‘very recently’, or a more specific concept of Elven time? We know that 100 years is but a blink in the life of an Elf – which is a little exaggerated, but could two “Elven minutes” refer to a certain number of hours/days ago? Hmmm.. anyone have any background on this?
Ooh, what a great piece of fan art! I have often thought that if I could draw, I'd like to depict Thranduil in the 'jacuzzi'.
I love the vlog bit (number 12 IIRC) when LP and EL are kidding around on this scene
'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)
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Kerewyn
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Jun 5 2014, 10:28pm
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Re PJ being "da man": I feel that way too. I had heard about the LOTR and the Hobbit books for years but was never interested because I thought they were weird. I think I may have tried to read FOTR for a school book report in elementary school, but I found it really confusing because it was long and strange and I couldn't figure out what was happening and by the time I got to Tom Bombadil I just said, "Forget this! It's too weird!" and put it down thinking I'd never pick it up again. Then last year, I got a surprise birthday gift of the Lego LOTR video game which is based on the movies and was disappointed because I had no interest in LOTR. Still, I played it anyway since the Lego games are always fun and somehow it actually made me understand the story for the first time and I fell head over heels in love. If it weren't for the game I wouldn't have watched the movies. If not for the movies I wouldn't have read the books. Now I find myself a dedicated member of the TORn community, and am preparing to read the Silmarillion.
Wow, so you really are quite a recent convert! I thought I was a Tolkien newbie, but my epiphany occured with the release of ROTK. I had enjoyed FOTR and TTT, but it was once I saw the entire story that I was sold, and could think of nothing else but immediately immersing myself in ME. (it coincided with a relationship breakup and helped me immensely to get through that.)
Back then, I read half the Silmarillion - the more difficult half I've heard, and am trying to think why I didn't persist to the end. I think I just found it hard going, and with Tolkien's style in the Sil, you really have to persist and be very interested to remain engaged, especially with all the names to remember. (I now have a useful family tree chart for reference, thanks to someone on TORn. This is probably available somewhere on line for sure?) I am ready to take it on again though, because of my newfound interest in Elven culture. But I know I'll have to go back to the start - it's not really something you can pick up half way through, eight years later. Gotta study and keep on top of all those lineages!
Anyway, would love to hear how you are going.
We could even start a Reading Room thread for those starting from the very beginning... if we have time for extra stuff in our busy lives! (Actually, that would be very motivating for me....)
'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
Jun 6 2014, 1:39am
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The movies opened the door to Tolkien's world for me and I wouldn't change them for anything, much less say that there should be fewer of them. I'd even watch the TV serial on the elven back story! Despite all my gripes, anything that adds to the live-action ME world, if they be the quality of what we've gotten from PJ (casting, acting, details... heck even the improvisions and diversions they did, warts and all), bring it!
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Pretty much the only unforgivable offense for me would be for them to take Thranduil out of the movie entirely, but with the way everyone, even the people on the movie set have been fawning over him, that's totally not going to happen.   I retract the above. At least until the PO metre normalises.
Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment. 
Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
Jun 6 2014, 3:02am
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Yeah. And if Tolkien had given us more of Thranduil's backstory
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there'd be less of the dismissive attitude some purists seem to bear have about him.
I can't find the exact passage right now, but IIRC, in ROTK, when the Dunedain showed up out of the blue to support Aragorn, Gimli asked Legolas why they hadn't wished for their kindred to come help them, and Legolas looks off into the distance and says something along the lines of, (This is totally from memory here, after only having read ROTK once. Hope I'm not butchering it.) "I doubt that they would have come. They have no need to march to war when war has already come to their own lands." This, again, leads me to wonder how Thranduil felt about Legolas joining the Fellowship. Did he understand how integral his son's role was to the greater good or is it possible that he was upset because Legolas hadn't come back home "where he was needed"?
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Slightly OT: That passage is one of the reasons why, no matter what anyone says, Tauriel would have had no reason to become part of the Fellowship herself, even with the way that she feels about everyone being part of the world. The reason she left Mirkwood in DOS was because Thranduil was doing nothing to stop the encroaching evil, even to the point of allowing orcs to cross their boarders and kill their prisoners. However, if, as is indicated by Legolas in LOTR, the elves of Mirkwood are indeed already taking part in the war, then it should be more than enough reason for her to stay in Mirkwood and fight in defense of her own people which, since that would still be taking action against the darkness. Hey, maybe she was messenger who had to report to Thranduil about Legolas joining the Fellowship!
That's a fair paraphrase I believe that with his experience, Thranduil probably got an idea of the implications and the larger picture, vagueness depending on how much he knows or intuited from events, that things were heading towards another key event. As with Oropher before him, he would know that every race has its part to play, and it's time to come out of isolation, even if he hadn't shaken off the effects of Shadow post-BoFA/Dol Guldur, cos Oropher went to war in the LA and he was there. This time, he has had experience to fall back on, and I believe he would know the importance of playing team ball. But he would not be caught out so painfully as in the LA, so while Legolas goes off gallivanting (with his blessing) and being spokeself for inter-race relationship (blessing? what blessing?), he girds the Wood for war. (Slight OT: How does Legolas know war marches on Mirkwood? Does he and Thranduil do mindspeak like Galadriel does?) And here is why I am of two minds about Tauriel's part. I can see and agree on her being a part of the small team to Rivendell and being the trusted and personally groomed warrior of Thranduil's she'd be designated the messenger. But, as a captain of the guard, I'd think she would not be named to the team and instead would already be busy with fortifying the borders, because Thranduil would not want continued vulnerability and exposure to attacks [spoiler start] Gollum's escape was a bloody affair aided and abetted by a surprise goblin attack after all. Thranduil must be livid at the compromise on homeland security[spoiler end]
In support of my thoughts about Thranduil's take on events, the most definitive quote from the professor about Thranduil: ‘But there was in Thranduil’s heart a still deeper shadow. He had seen the horror of Mordor and could not forget it. If ever he looked south its memory dimmed the light of the Sun, and though he knew that it was now broken and deserted and under the vigilance of the Kings of Men, fear spoke in his heart that it was not conquered for ever: it would arise again.’ - Unfinished Tales. Apart from the general background about Sindar princes, Mirkwood and Oropher, which builds on Thranduil's character (also from UT), this tells us quite clearly his astuteness about the whole Shadow and darkness business. On the other hand, the little that we do know leaves so much open room for interpretation, hopefully in a good way 
Incidentally, I'm trying to develop a understanding and form a proper theory to address my sister's question, "Why didn't Thranduil just sack Dol Guldur himself?", and give it to her in a way that doesn't involve convoluted backhistory (because she's not interested in the books, at least not in delving that far back - the Silm will simply stay unread til the day she die if she even get around to reading page 1)... does it seem like I'm doing the dirty work of reading ME history for her?
I'll stop before I start drafting a fanfic right here.
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Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 6 2014, 3:03am
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LOL. Go whip those algebra into shape then
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how much longer do you have to do them?
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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 6 2014, 3:23am
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Thranduil's personal quarters and time concepts
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This line: “I thought I ordered that nest to be destroyed not two minutes past.” Two minutes past – is this an Elven expression meaning ‘very recently’, or a more specific concept of Elven time? We know that 100 years is but a blink in the life of an Elf – which is a little exaggerated, but could two “Elven minutes” refer to a certain number of hours/days ago? Hmmm.. anyone have any background on this? Regarding concepts of time, I tried googling but did not find anything particularly illuminating except this, which is perceptive rather than physical, given the basic assumption that Elves feel and experience each moment much more keenly than men do. I do remember reading somewhere about this bit though, if only my memory works now. I do wonder if the Elves need to have the lamps dimmed at night, just so they can tell day from night in the cave? I remember my one and only spelunking experience, it warped my sense of time even though it was just a little under 2 hours. The lightlessness made the experience felt like it was a very long time under ground, not that it wasn't fun - the bruises on my knees were painfully clear mementos of the time spent.
As for Thranduil's line, he said moons. I'm referencing the youtube here since i'm holding out for the EE and the script on LotRProject.
Just ref your thoughts on space, privacy and the articles in that space - Agreed. No matter how beloved the Elvenking, I'd think he'd like his private time to be private. I don't imagine either he nor his subjects needing to have his every move open to public scrutiny, even if it's just a faraway glimpse of him having a mid-day tipple or lounging on that divan. Which brings up another strange point, is that space a sort of drawing room? If so, the extra glasses and the idea of entertaining or meeting someone there makes sense. But why is the bed there if it's not a space for resting?
Frankly, I'm not too worried about dangers to Thranduil's person even if a stalker gets past the formidable guards. He is more than capable of protecting his own virtue with the way he wields that badass sword of his, as we've seen.
When he says “….we will endure”, his eyes do a little flicker to the side, as though he has heard or sensed Bilbo slipping away down the side stairs.
This set of gifs say it all.
Ooh, what a great piece of fan art! I have often thought that if I could draw, I'd like to depict Thranduil in the 'jacuzzi'. I love the vlog bit (number 12 IIRC) when LP and EL are kidding around on this scene  
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Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
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Kerewyn
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Jun 6 2014, 7:59am
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As for Thranduil's line, he said moons.
Oh, how embarrassment! I'll put that down to my glitchy home internet connection, and not having the volume up lo8ud enough. Well there goes that interesting theorising.
But why is the bed there if it's not a space for resting?
Could just be a vanity, a furnishing to fill a gap and add visual comfort. Or, I tend to think of a 'divan' as a wider kind of sofa rather than a bed. Definitely there are cushions, which are sofa-esque. Maybe it is for lounging on, once a few wines have been downed and the conversation is getting a bit looser. One could also throw one's robe over it while bathing.
On that note, I am thinking 'au naturale' because I imagine elves are very comfortable with their bodies. Dwarves too certainly seem to be fine with bathing in the buff.
Frankly, I'm not too worried about dangers to Thranduil's person even if a stalker gets past the formidable guards. He is more than capable of protecting his own virtue with the way he wields that badass sword of his, as we've seen.
Yes I thought this as well. I wonder if he sleeps with a sword close at hand, just in case.
'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)
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Kerewyn
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Jun 6 2014, 8:06am
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Can we do that please? I'm also planning to reread the Silm and UT after I'm done with LotR. One of my aims is to get all those Elf types straight
What would be good is to have someone who's familiar with the Sil to either lead the discussion or pose questions for us complete newbies to think of while reading each chapter, or chapter breakdowns if chapters are long (and I think from memory, they are) That way, we're not being too vague, like "uh.. right... what was all that about..." (which could be a typical response from me), but can be a bit more targeted in our thinking.
Lurker, are you familiar enough to do this? Or we could go to the reading room and request someone to help us?
I now have a useful family tree chart for reference, thanks to someone on TORn. This is probably available somewhere on line for sure?
Mind to point me to this? I so need a reference.
I can't recall where I got it - it only exists in hard copy now. But I can certainly scan it.
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Kerewyn
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Jun 6 2014, 8:22am
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I've been wondering about ME messengers in general, due to lack of telecommunications, and the downside of Skyping via palantir.
There'd be such great distances to ride to bear messages from one realm to another, but I suppose, like our world in 'the olden days', there were people whose job was to do exactly that. Or perhaps they enlisted the help of the birds, for those who could understand the language of thrushes.
If Legolas arrived at Rivendell alone, it may have been a Rivendell messenger who had to take the message back. If so, and he had never been in Thranduil's presence before, he could have (1) been in for quite a fiery encounter (2) just done his job stoically and got the hell out.
'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)
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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 6 2014, 1:51pm
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What would be good is to have someone who's familiar with the Sil to either lead the discussion or pose questions for us complete newbies to think of while reading each chapter, or chapter breakdowns if chapters are long (and I think from memory, they are) That way, we're not being too vague, like "uh.. right... what was all that about..." (which could be a typical response from me), but can be a bit more targeted in our thinking.
Lurker, are you familiar enough to do this? Or we could go to the reading room and request someone to help us? Great point. I'm not familiar enough to do it though - only read it once, gosh, 8 years ago I think.
I guess the other option is to look up stuff ourselves and ask questions. We can use this reader's guide in pdf format (source) as a start.
I can't recall where I got it - it only exists in hard copy now. But I can certainly scan it. If it's not too much trouble. Thanks!
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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 6 2014, 2:07pm
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If Legolas arrived at Rivendell alone, it may have been a Rivendell messenger who had to take the message back. If so, and he had never been in Thranduil's presence before, he could have (1) been in for quite a fiery encounter (2) just done his job stoically and got the hell out. It's interesting, the concept of communication between the 3 major Elven realms. Rivendell and Lothlorien would be in constant, or at least consistent communications for obvious reasons. I think that Elrond would also send dispatches to Thranduil as he sees fit (they would have built some rapport at the LA), but the information flow may tend to be a bit one-sided
But the mode of communication - that is quite another thing. Can they trust the birds? Or... would they have to fall back on moth-mail? But moth-mail seem to be an exclusive application for members only, and that club seems sort of small. Maybe they do have specialist delivery elves trained to the rigours of mail delivery over the treacherous route.
[spoiler start]Coincidentally, Legolas seemed to have been in Rivendell for 2 months along with the rest of the council attendees due to snow (and probably to see what else he can do or be ready to carry messages back to Thranduil). There's no clear indication if he arrived alone or he had company. Interestingly, Elrohir and Elladan (Elrond's boys) went on a secret mission over the mountains... maybe Legolas passed a message through them, which was then passed on to a convenient messenger? Maybe the Beornings since they are the ones keeping the Forest Road open and charging toll (might as well take on the postal delivery as a convenient sideline)? Ooh, the possibilities! [spoiler end]
Re the hapless messenger: I suppose anyone sent would have known of Thranduil by reputation if not through personal experience Though I imagine a cold fire Thranduil rather than a ballistic dad/king when he gets the news.
I've been wondering about ME messengers in general, due to lack of telecommunications, and the downside of Skyping via palantir. LOL +
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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 6 2014, 2:11pm
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Elvenking and his Elk
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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 6 2014, 2:12pm
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
Jun 6 2014, 2:22pm
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Fanart for BotFa: Thranduil's Scout at the 'Edges of Erebor'
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A nice concept.
Trailer now!
Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Eruvandi
Dor-Lomin
Jun 6 2014, 3:48pm
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The course officially ends on August 15th, so that's *counts weeks on calendar* 10 more weeks. Oh joy.
At least I'm doing well on it so far. I took my first major test yesterday and 27 out of 30 questions right. Yay! I'm very proud of myself! The three questions that I missed were only because of minor calculation errors on my part that I would have caught if I had checked my work a little more carefully. Live and learn.
For relevance and because I thought it was funny:
"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe
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Eruvandi
Dor-Lomin
Jun 6 2014, 7:18pm
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I have come to a decision on my summer reading
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After getting some outside opinions on whether I should read Children of Hurin or Sil first, I've decided to read CoH first since it's kind of depressing and I want to have something...well...less depressing like Sil to read after I'm done. However, the Sil Reading Room thread idea sounds awesome, so if y'all get that worked out and start it before I finish CoH, I'll probably either switch to reading Sil or work my reading schedule to read them both at the same time so I can be a part of it.
"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
Jun 7 2014, 2:58pm
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I've yet to get CoH, so I can't comment on that, but imo and very humbly so, the Silm is very textbook-ish, and demands participation in the sense that it requires a fair bit of self-notation if you want to keep things straight, at least until you finish it (I regret not doing so the first go-around and plan to remedy it this time). For comparison, I had to read history (about an area and time I was not interested in) a long long time ago, and while the Silm was far more interesting with its historical text feel rather than a student's textbook about history, the Silm felt like more of an assignment than my dreaded history lessons at times. What I want to say is, it might not be a good idea to try reading it in tandem with another book.
Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Eruvandi
Dor-Lomin
Jun 7 2014, 4:33pm
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I've heard that Silm is like that as well, and as soon as I wrote my last post, it occurred to me that reading it in tandem with another book might not be the best idea. I guess that means I'll just have to go on and get CoH read and then get on with Silm as soon as I'm done.
Honestly, I'm not sure I want to spend too much time with CoH anyway since it's dark fantasy and supposed to be a bit of a bummer. (I actually cheated and looked at part of the ending yesterday, so I would know which characters not to get attached to!) The only reason I want to read it is because it's part of Tolkien's legendarium. Otherwise, it's not the kind of thing that would normally attract me. *shrugs*
"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe
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