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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
May 30 2014, 6:41am
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I think it's a foregone conclusion there's much expectations, for November and December. 
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Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
May 30 2014, 6:44am
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It's pretty.
(though I have to do the nerdy thing and state I wonder if Mrs Thranduil would be blond?   )
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Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
May 30 2014, 11:51am
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Woodland Weekend! Thranduil stuff, and thingies on his avatars making waves in his absence
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It's the pre-weekend, at least from where I'm sitting. Time to unload goodies gathered since the last time we marked a weekend. Fellow thralls, you have your work cut for you.
Oh yeah: Compound thudderly, giggle out loud, brownie-spew, spoilerly thingies, warning
Thranduil
- The indescribable virtual consciousness called tumblr
- Pics: here, here, here, here, here, here, here,
- GIFs: here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here,
- Fanart and farnies: here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here,
- Father and son pics, fanart and farnies: here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here,
- Related: Pic of Art and Design of the Realm, Crests of ME institutes of learning (but where is the crest of the Mirkwood Homeland Security Academy?), Just a general ME LOL, another ME LOL, Legolas + Gimli funny, Mirkwood!, another Mirkwood LOL,
- With others: + Celeborn, + Elrond, Elrond's filmography mirror, just with Elrond Xover, Mirkwood LOL, his eyes look more alluring than hers (just saying), + Thorin, + Bard, + Thorin again,
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PD
The Fall
HACF
Crossovers & Others (warning: some not involving the Elvenking at all)
LP
Pics & GIFs: here, here + here (Kerewyn: TH alert  ), here, here, here,
Erm... dunno where this fit, but I stumbled on it and had to share because it's very sweet - the cast and crew of ME are GREAT!
Interview Articles
These are all new interviews
“When you play the king of elves and alien warlords, little me is very uninteresting,” says Pace, with a dismissive shrug. “But, at the same time, actors feel this obligation to be transparent, and I truly don’t understand the point.” ( source)
Those prominent roles haven't turned Pace into your typical movie star — in fact, he's quite the opposite, opting to reside in New York instead of Hollywood, and never appearing in tabloids. Dressed in a cozy grey lightweight sweater and a tan corduroy jacket, with a black-on-black Yankees baseball cap he removed while indoors, Pace politely squinted into the sun when we moved our chat outside, just to keep eye contact. He had to be told — demanded even — to put his sunglasses on before he'd oblige. "See, that's LA. I would think you'd want to look someone in the eye, you want to know what they think," he said without a hint of insincerity. ( source)
Lee Pace: Man, I can't even tell you how. I mean it's been this past year living out of a suitcase. We shot the pilot in April, went from Atlanta to London, did the first tests for Ronan, the kind of costume and make up and all that stuff. Went from there to New Zealand, shot my pick-ups for the "Hobbit." Went from there back to London, did that whole crazy, f***ing movie. I mean the craziest thing I think I've ever been a part of was that movie. And then basically went from that right into this. Wait. No! No, no, I went from that into Stephen Frears' movie about Lance Armstrong. Why I thought I needed another movie in there, I don't know. And then I just finished this about a month ago so I'm like home and finally get a chance to have a life. ( source) My, he has been B.U.S.Y.
Q: You’ve also played a broad variety of characters, from a vampire to a politician. Is there a role you haven’t played yet but have always wanted to? A: I’ve been very fortunate to play lots of different characters. I’m pretty curious and adventurous. I’d love to play a dog. [Laughs] ( source)
That's all, Thralls! Move along now...
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The non-worksafe ones aka the Estrogen Island stuff (don't worry, they're really PG, right on the edge is all): pics (Kerewyn - this one's for you), [HACF SPOILER]here[HACF SPOILER]
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Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
May 30 2014, 2:12pm
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CLICK: One person online actually asked what the name of the elk you’re riding was. LP: Actually there’s an actor playing the Elk you should ask. It’s a horse named Moose. Playing the elk. ( source)
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Not so far back, Lee Pace, who plays Thranduil -- ancient and ambivalent ruler of the woodland elves -- had a devil of a job maintaining his imperious bearing as his ride, a horse by the name of Moose which plays a stag, decided to freak out at a host of Spock-eared extras. ( this page from this source)
This is too cute. So I wager a horse named Moose would be one of the large breeds, probably a Clydesdale?
Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Rembrethil
Dor-Lomin
May 30 2014, 4:33pm
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I've previously postulated (Say that ten times fast! ) that the 'scar' was a physical one, but his appearance was obscured by his 'fading'. I won't repeat myself unless I need to, but perhaps when he shows his 'scar' he becomes more physical, and he is painfully surprised when he experiences more feeling than he is used to.
A neat fan-fic idea anyway.....
Call me Rem, and remember, not all who ramble are lost...Uh...where was I?
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
May 31 2014, 1:58pm
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I've previously postulated (Say that ten times fast! )
that the 'scar' was a physical one, but his appearance was obscured by his 'fading'. I won't repeat myself unless I need to, but perhaps when he shows his 'scar' he becomes more physical, and he is painfully surprised when he experiences more feeling than he is used to.
A neat fan-fic idea anyway..... (emphasis mine) Delicious idea, Rem! Is this up somewhere?
Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Rembrethil
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May 31 2014, 3:30pm
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While I think that I am a fairly decent writer, fan-fiction isn't my forte. I barely maintain a flirting relationship with the stories I've sketched out in my head. I really need to finish writing at least one of those books....
Call me Rem, and remember, not all who ramble are lost...Uh...where was I?
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vanima ephel
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Jun 1 2014, 2:35am
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*runs in*
So Awesome! Thank you, and everyone, for all the goodies!
Have you seen this yet? (My internet is spotty right now, but it doesn't look like one you or anyone else here has listed. There's a slightly better pic of Lee as RtA. And lots of general  )
*runs out*
"I dissent, even at the risk of being held incorrect or not sober."
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
Jun 1 2014, 3:45am
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You're welcome... aaaaand she's gone (what's the hurry, vanima?)
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heeey... thanks. It's the first interview quoted in my list (slow down, and read the godo stuff... more coming shortly)
Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Kerewyn
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Jun 1 2014, 12:44pm
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The glowing white stag in the water... beautiful. Quite by coincidence, I'd been looking at this then turned the TV on in time to see the Potterverse patronas. It's all about stags this weekend!
Look at that physique!  He's fairly bristling with muscle under that robe. Also, in that shot you can see the natural colours in the crown, which don't always seem to be apparent.
The 'collage square' of images you posted above this one - I simply can't make out what LP is doing, in the bottom right pic. Caressing a horse? Riding a wrecking ball? His leg is in an odd position for a regular pose.
'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)
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Kerewyn
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Jun 1 2014, 12:56pm
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At last. On Sunday night. Had a bit of enforced time offline, with our work server going down at midday Friday, and then me being out of the house much of the weekend.
And OMG, you have spoiled us! Looks like you’ve been gathering to serve us up lots of wonderful treats! Thanks so much – I’m about to put the kettle on and get viewing (I’ve er, already checked the um, EI stuff  )
Before I start…
Not so far back, Lee Pace, who plays Thranduil -- ancient and ambivalent ruler of the woodland elves -- had a devil of a job maintaining his imperious bearing as his ride, a horse by the name of Moose which plays a stag, decided to freak out at a host of Spock-eared extras. Well it sounds like he has the riding ability to be able to cope with that. Listen to the link below - I love how he says, with a big smile: “That horse was going for it.”
This is a direct link to the IMDB clip - I bypassed the page and accessed it through google, which I should have done the other day. (how odd that it did not show up for you- maybe there are regional differences)
[http://www.imdb.com/...enplay/vi3102081305/
And if I haven't said it before, Kerewyn: I love your sig Ha ha thanks! It’s from one of the Chronicles book, in which MF is talking about the seamless effect of his hobbit legs and feet.
'People don't know where I begin and latex ends, which has always been an ambition for me.' (Martin Freeman)
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Avandel
Gondolin
Jun 1 2014, 1:48pm
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LOL more of my cheating heart, but my beloved Majesty is off getting a deep conditioning treatment and some new hair beads forged to replace the ones that slipped off in the river. He's not really vain but feels gardening twine in your hair is too soft for the dwarf race, it's metal or nothing.
So *whispers* yes, I HAVE definitely noticed Mr. Pace's physique and it's been one of those random thoughts that pops into my head, especially as "the scene" begins and Thranduil kind of gracefully twists around "You have found a way in". That you had to have one heck of a body and physique to pull off a costume like that - and he's not covered up with any flowing robes or anything in that scene, that might blur any *cough* body softness. Don't know if PJ thinks about stuff like that during the casting - but he must - what did he say last year in an Empire article, something that only 15% of folks worldwide had the body/face to play an elf?
My - what a handsome man LP is, great smile, it's infectious. I think in the pic on the bottom he is hanging onto a fence post, with a horse nuzzling him? - a comic scene of some kind. I LOVE the top row of images, I try not to get excited but think if the "stag" scene doesn't show up in the EE I am going to be very bitter .
Anyone know if LP has ever commented on how he felt about being cast? It's not critical, but I love that RA & dwarves were just SO excited to be cast, and it's obvious from the blogs that Luke Evans would find it hard to leave.
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Eruvandi
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Jun 1 2014, 11:45pm
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It's been a busy week! I gotta catch up sometime so I guess I'll start here.
Interesting article. LP's privacy...It is precious to him beyond measure. I understand that. (See what I did there? ) Seriously though, I really do understand his desire for privacy, and his reasoning behind why he doesn't put his personal life out there that much and I definitely agree. Like when he says that it, "gets into a whole cycle of Do you like me?" etc. I feel like way too many celebrities get into that cycle of searching for approval in what others think and, quite frankly, I don't think it's healthy for any of them, mentally or emotionally. I mean, it's fun sometimes to know some basics about a celebrity that I like, such as favorite color, favorite food, and whatever, but I don't need nor do I want to know where they are what they're doing every second of the day. They have just as much of a right to privacy as I do, y'know? But, um...*cough* If he's really looking to be a farmer...Forget Upstate New York! I happen to know that a bunch of pretty well-known people like to seek privacy way out in the less-populated areas of the Virginia countryside, and I'm sure that I speak for many others when I say we'd be happy to have him here!
I also agree with him that sometimes knowing too much about about an actor's personal life can distract from how believable you find the character because you just have trouble not seeing the actor. It's like with the Hobbit and LOTR movies. I wasn't familiar with the vast majority of the actors when I first saw them so I was able to appreciate the character for the character and not get distracted the actor. Like, I look at Thranduil and I see Thranduil, not LP, because I don't know much about LP. In the case of some of the actors, of course, I've learned more about them over the course of my first year of fandom, and the effect has changed a little, but it still helps that I knew them as the character first, if that makes any sense at all.
"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe
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Eruvandi
Dor-Lomin
Jun 2 2014, 1:23am
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Thranduil's screen time vs. book time: Was he really sidelined?
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Exactly. I think they miscalculated with the Legolas effect, which has been underwhelming... maybe it really is true that most of his fanbase have moved on. imo, giving Tauriel an expanded role didn't help his cause either, though she's actually better executed than Legolas [which is sad, even for this (diminished) Legolas Lass]. I think its testament to both Thranduil the character and LP's talent as an actor that despite being sidelined a little, he's, as you said, seized hearts and imaginations. I totally understand what you're saying about Thranduil seeming to be sidelined a little in DOS, but when we compare Thranduil's screen time with his book time up to the point where DOS ends, wasn't his role *technically* expanded or at the very least equal to that of the book? I mean, if we think about it for a minute, in the section of the book that DOS covers anyway, Thranduil really only gets three scenes doesn't he? 1. Bombur sees him during his magic river-induced dreams of the elven feast. 2. Thranduil interrogates Thorin, and 3. Thranduil interrogates the other dwarves and locks them all up. After that, IIRC, we don't see him again until after Smaug has been killed do we?
Now let's look at the movie: 1. He interrogates Thorin, 2. He has his conversation with Tauriel, and 3. The orc interrogation scene. So, we have already have 3 book scenes for 3 movie scenes and two of those movie scenes are already an expansion on his character. THEN if we *drumroll please* look to the EE, *if* the things that we have heard rumors about are indeed added we'll get: 4. Thranduil is the white stag 5. Thranduil interrogates all of the dwarves and 6. some unknown dialogue between Thranduil and Legolas, probably Legolas reporting that Tauriel has left and Thranduil sends him after her. Soooo, now we have 6 movie scenes for 3 book scenes and *technically* his role has been expanded. I'm honestly not sure, it we count the rumored EE material, what more he could have done in DOS with him still being in his isolationist, never-leave-the-forest mindset.
Maybe it's only me who thinks that, but I just thought I'd toss it out there and see what y'all think. (Of course, even though I think his role was technically expanded from the book for DOS, that doesn't mean that I think it was enough. There's never enough Thranduil, and I really hope we get even more expansion in Bofa! )
"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe
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The Grey Elf
Hithlum
Jun 2 2014, 1:40am
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The "Furrow" (I know, I'm late to this sub thread)
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I think the reason why LP's forehead furrow works so well on him is because it looks as if his pronounced philtrum ("filtrum?"), that beautifully sculpted groove that graces his upper lip, reappears between his brows.
I think it's interesting that he has features like the furrow and the heavy eyebrows that aren't in themselves traditionally considered marks of beauty, yet on him they are and give him a distinctive look. Overall, it's a face with such contrasting features, it is equally convincing expressing either a devilish or an angelic character. It must be a great asset as an actor to have both great looks and such an interesting face! (not that he doesn't have loads more going for him!)
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Eruvandi
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Jun 2 2014, 1:57am
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HAHA, yes, "stuff". Using the two names together in an image search is a bad idea... well, depending on your take. The "stuff" doesn't faze as much as annoy, after the amusement wears off, just cos of the volume. It's the strangeness of feeling the urge to explain that I'm sifting THROUGH the "stuff" to get at stuff, not purveying the "stuff" per se when there's others around who can see the screen. Right? I was looking at the gallery of this one really good artist on deviantArt and most of her stuff was fine, but, you know how there's that thing on the side that says "more from this artist"? Well, the little versions of the art in that area don't show the whole picture, and I was looking at that and saw what I thought was just a pretty pic of Thranduil the artist had painted, so I clicked it and...GAH! I didn't need to see that. Turns out she had drawn it as a joke just to mess with her fans, but still... Whenever I get brave and just do a general search for Thranduil on any site that contains fan art, I only do it when no one else can see the screen, because I don't want to have to explain the "stuff" (I'm not sure there *is* an explanation to be honest ) should a wandering eye glance over my shoulder right as I quickly scroll by some of it.*facepalm*
"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe
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Eruvandi
Dor-Lomin
Jun 2 2014, 2:27am
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Don't know if PJ thinks about stuff like that during the casting - but he must - what did he say last year in an Empire article, something that only 15% of folks worldwide had the body/face to play an elf? I'm sure PJ probably thinks about it to some extent, but I'd say Fran and Philippa give a fair amount of input on the potential actor's physiques as well! If no one else, I'm 100% positive that Ann Maskery, the head costume designer thinks a lot about such things and designs accordingly.
I think in the pic on the bottom he is hanging onto a fence post, with a horse nuzzling him? - a comic scene of some kind.
Good guess, but I've seen the full pic and he's actually a sitting on a beach with his legs stretched out in front of him, and that white animal is a white and brown beagle that's kind of standing on his lap with it's front paws rested on his arm. It's happy, beagle enthusiasm apparently threw him off balance a little and made him lean back, hence the positioning of his leg. He's got looks and he's a dog lover...could he get any more perfect?
Hmm...Let me see if I can find the full pic...*Bing search*...Aha! Here it is! Beagle attack!
"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe
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Eruvandi
Dor-Lomin
Jun 2 2014, 2:29am
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"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe
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Dor-Lomin
Jun 2 2014, 2:33am
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That's really pretty! I especially like how the design of her crown sort of reflects Thranduil's with the spikiness of it and the flowers. I always find it interesting to see how people imagine Thranduil's wife.
"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe
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Eruvandi
Dor-Lomin
Jun 2 2014, 2:47am
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All good observations! Just like you said, it's interesting how, despite the fact that certain things about LP's facial structure go against the traditional definition of beauty in a man, they still work for him and give him such a compelling look. I really love how expressive his face is at times and how he can use the slightest movements to convey subtle emotions.
Btw, since we're back to talking about "the furrow" I just thought I would point out that in the makeup industry, they call the area between the eyebrows and the nose the "T-zone" since it is sort of the shape of the letter "T". So, I guess he has a furrow in the middle of his T-zone? That...sounds a little odd. I think I'll stick with calling it a furrow in the middle of his forehead!
"When life won't play along
And right keeps going wrong
And I can't seem to find my way
I know where I am found
So I won't let it drag me down
Oh, I'll keep dancing anyway"
~Move by MercyMe
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
Jun 2 2014, 5:18am
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Look at that physique! He's fairly bristling with muscle under that robe. Also, in that shot you can see the natural colours in the crown, which don't always seem to be apparent. Because Thranduil takes his title as Swordman of ME seriously
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(Click for more images, and a GIF of another practice session... does he seem slimmer here?)
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Hmmm... costume fitting, got to be sure the sword arm gets the give to move properly
Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
Jun 2 2014, 5:35am
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Indeed it was geography discriminatory But i got around it with this. That's how I managed to watch the HACF sneak premiere too. So now I wonder what else have I missed just cos of location. Anyways...
I like the vid. Not that I'm an expert by any means, but it seems like LP hasn't changed much when compared to his recent interviews - he's still as sincere and willing to talk, but reticent at the same time. I think that's rare for someone in the business so long, and I hope he is able to continue keeping himself true to his core.
And OMG, you have spoiled us! Looks like you’ve been gathering to serve us up lots of wonderful treats! Thanks so much – I’m about to put the kettle on and get viewing (I’ve er, already checked the um, EI stuff ) Awww... glad to provide. I know the pain of sifting through things out there. I'm happy to save thralls some grief as long as the effort's not viewed as me being a nuisance (erm... especially the EI stuff )
Ha ha thanks! It’s from one of the Chronicles book, in which MF is talking about the seamless effect of his hobbit legs and feet. He gives some of the darnest comments doesn't he?
Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
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Jun 2 2014, 5:55am
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was wondering about your radio silence.
btw... in case you missed it, the Pie-maker/Elvenking connections are here in thread IV. vanima provided additional info to plug the gaps in my post.
Interesting article. LP's privacy...It is precious to him beyond measure. I understand that. (See what I did there?) Wha...what? You are right. Still, fans obsess about him. Do not give them hope where there is none.
But, um...*cough* If he's really looking to be a farmer...Forget Upstate New York! I happen to know that a bunch of pretty well-known people like to seek privacy way out in the less-populated areas of the Virginia countryside, and I'm sure that I speak for many others when I say we'd be happy to have him here!
I also agree with him that sometimes knowing too much about about an actor's personal life can distract from how believable you find the character because you just have trouble not seeing the actor. It's like with the Hobbit and LOTR movies. I wasn't familiar with the vast majority of the actors when I first saw them so I was able to appreciate the character for the character and not get distracted the actor. Like, I look at Thranduil and I see Thranduil, not LP, because I don't know much about LP. In the case of some of the actors, of course, I've learned more about them over the course of my first year of fandom, and the effect has changed a little, but it still helps that I knew them as the character first, if that makes any sense at all. PERFECTly. Check out the podcast if you haven't done so. I think it's quite illuminating, along with the stuff he said in the Buzzfeed article. LP really takes his work seriously. Personally, even with well-known actors that I , I find it helps not to know too much about them personally too.
For example, Mr Bruce Wayne Christian Bale's overall to publicity is a model that works for me, as a fan, and he pretty much said the same as LP about privacy, anonmity and disappearing into roles vis-a-vis level of publicity. Yeah, I sometimes get morbidly curious about stuff, or when some intriguing bit turns up. But I'm not going to hunt up names of their relatives or their celebrity friends and haunt social media looking for personal info and grab at shadows. That time is better spent haunting TORn and getting my ME re-education and looking up art and pretty!
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Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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Lurker in the Mirk
Doriath
Jun 2 2014, 6:18am
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So happy to see your post. See, thralls do do and are capable of meaningful stuff like analysis from time to time. (Coincidentally the most of the threads I've visited today had some variation of this topic ie Thranduil and his role/motivation in the movie... interesting)
I totally understand what you're saying about Thranduil seeming to be sidelined a little in DOS, but when we compare Thranduil's screen time with his book time up to the point where DOS ends, wasn't his role *technically* expanded or at the very least equal to that of the book? I mean, if we think about it for a minute, in the section of the book that DOS covers anyway, Thranduil really only gets three scenes doesn't he? 1. Bombur sees him during his magic river-induced dreams of the elven feast. 2. Thranduil interrogates Thorin, and 3. Thranduil interrogates the other dwarves and locks them all up. After that, IIRC, we don't see him again until after Smaug has been killed do we? If PJ's treatment had been to do a closer adaptation of the book in terms of tone, theme and storyline, I can agree that Thranduil got about what the prof allotted him in the book (or maybe more in terms of simple scene count) anyway. But no, PJ went beyond TH the book where Thranduil was concerned - he's calling on inspirations in ME books he can't get reference or cite .
In TH the book Thranduil is barely sketched out (though the character moments post-Smaug and pre/during-Battle were very tantalising, and as has been said, goes counter to his portrayal in earlier pages.) The movie, though I love it, has gone the length to texture/layer/dimensionise Thranduil and set him up as the opposing king to Thorin's houseless rule with the throneroom scene as the showcase of the invented personal grudges between the two. Yet the movie neglects to give Thranduil at least a bit of background (the Last Alliance dammit. I've said in one of the earlier appreciation threads but the LA is not untouchable, we've seen it in the FotR prologue for Eru's sake, and it would be a simple quick way to give some of Thranduil's backstory) the general audience can get a handle on (leaving the general audience to paint him as an all round slicker jerk who they know as Legolas' dad only courtesy of Tauriel ), but then goes on to cut into time that could (should imo) be given to give Thranduil a character arc, and give that to Legolas and even Tauriel, for (so far) unnecessary invented side-plots. Which I feel is a great big pity. Of course i may change my tune after the EE and BotFA... Honestly, i'm looking forward to a ME EE binge once the BotFA EE comes out but let's not get too far ahead.
Bottomline: Yeah, Thranduil is one complicated dude and I hope the EE and BotFA gives him the time he deserves.
Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.
Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V
"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
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