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DanielLB
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Feb 14 2012, 9:36pm
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Revisiting Bilbo's Contract
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I came across this blog today that had recently come across a very high-resolution picture of Bilbo and his "contract", given to him by the Dwarves after arriving at Bag End. The blogger has been able to decipher (pretty well) the wording of much of the document. Naturally, people will disagree/have suggestions of some of the words/phrases/omissons, but thought I would post it. I know it has been discussed before, but I think this is the best we've ever got.
http://thorinoakenshield.net/...ing-dwarf-documents/
I think he has done a pretty good job (considering).
Also, if the majority of the deciphering is correct, I'm quite happy with the contract  I hope Bilbo is too!!
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Carne
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Feb 14 2012, 10:41pm
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That's really impressive 
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Lauryn
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Feb 14 2012, 11:05pm
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That's amazing....
Some one has a little too much time on their hands... that being said...Awesome!
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Ataahua
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Feb 14 2012, 11:32pm
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that someone has taken so much time to translate as much of that contract as the images allowed, I'm even *more* geeked out that the Weta designers wrote a contract in the Dwarf language that could actually be read! Those guys rock!
[which (?) are described collectively herein as the Adventure]
And they even employ Tolkien's wonderful use of random capitilisation. 
Burglar understands and agrees to maintain this knowledge
in utmost secrecy and confidentiality and to neither divulge nor make known
said knowledge by any means, including but not limited to speech, writing
demonstration, re-enactment, (?) or storage and retrieval within means
or (?) currently known or (?) or as yet unthought of.
How appropriate that Dwarves, being such gifted creators of objects as they are, take into account any future inventions that could aid the dissemination of information. :D
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Milknut
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Feb 15 2012, 12:48am
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Nerds!
The cake is a lie.
The cake is a lie.
The cake is a lie.
The cake is a lie.
The cake is a lie___
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entmaiden
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Feb 15 2012, 1:14am
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the Weta folk had crafting the language, then translating it. I want to have that kind of job 
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Feb 15 2012, 1:52am
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Though I believe the contract, as shown in this shot, is written in English, not dwarven.
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 15 2012, 2:29am
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OMG! I'm staggered! Not just at the effort and geekiness and genius of this work, but that this blogger has highlighted what I already knew... but took for granted. That the massive detail that's going into these films is mind-blowing!!
I was jaw-dropped in awe as I read through this entire blog, the contract, the pictures and delightful generosity sharing this with everyone!
I'm just overwhelmed! BRILLIANT!!!!
I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.
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Ataahua
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Feb 15 2012, 3:13am
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paid much notice to the written languages of Middle-earth as my mind doesn't bend that way, but I love how so many people can read Tolkien's letters.
At The Hobbit stage play in Wellington (2005, I think, during Wellingmoot), two of the TORNadoes I was with were giggling away madly: They had realised that the large writing on part of the set was incorrect. Gotta love those girls!
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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dernwyn
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Feb 15 2012, 3:23am
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Which substitutes for Westron in the movies. I wonder if Daniel Reeve developed the script? It's different from the one used by Bilbo and Frodo, and seems reminiscent of Old English script.
Note how the "B" in all instances of "Burglar" has a starting upper "tail" to the letter, giving a "flourish" to the word, thereby emphasizing it!
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"I desired dragons with a profound desire"
"It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?"
-Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915
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Thorins_apprentice
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Feb 15 2012, 3:53am
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 I am not even going to ask how you did that.All i'll say is you are a genius,:))
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SirDennisC
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Feb 15 2012, 4:05am
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This really belongs on the home page.
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With the care the author took it really deserves wider attention.
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Macfeast
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Feb 15 2012, 4:28am
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...taking the time to decipher this much of the contract is quite the impressive task. This is dedication right here.
Secondly, that the team made sure to make this an actual contract, even though only the most dedicated fans would actually find that out, does not surprise me. Their attention to detail is still superb.
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DanielLB
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Feb 15 2012, 8:39am
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I'm just so impressed the time this person has taken to do it!
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DanielLB
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Feb 15 2012, 8:40am
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It wasn't done by me. I wish I could take full credit ( ) but I just stumbled across the blog. Has nothing to do with me!!
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miriel
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Feb 15 2012, 12:25pm
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Wow! Impressive :D
speaking of deciphering, have anyone gotten anywhere with the rhunes above the door in the Hobbit trailer? (at approximately 01.36)
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Feb 15 2012, 2:17pm
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But you did an impressive job ...
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... of a bringing it to our attention. Thanks!
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Faenoriel
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Feb 15 2012, 2:43pm
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A mere internet will not do. A new kind of special price must be granted for this fan
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for Special Achievement In Geekiness.
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Xanaseb
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Feb 15 2012, 3:27pm
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Here is a great deciphering runes from trailer thread for everyone, and could anyone see if they can work out any more?:
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http://newboards.theonering.net/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=25;
We got somewhere but not that far sadly.......
"I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama"
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Let us then continue Tolkien's Legendarium!
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Feb 15 2012, 3:49pm
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Just rushing in to say ... WOWWWWW!!
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I am so impressed!!! Amazing!
Good on you! and Lucky us!
WOOT!
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Tookish Hobbit Girl
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Feb 15 2012, 4:42pm
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Now that's what I call dedication! I'm so glad he took the time to do that. Thanks for sharing! ( :
"if most of us valued food & cheer & song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world."
-J.R.R. Tolkien
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TomthePilgrim
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Feb 15 2012, 6:27pm
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And to the guy for that awesome work!
However, I've been wondering and worrying about that absurdly long document that Bilbo was holding ever since I saw the picture for the first time.
Call me a purest (and you will) but I don't think the film needs the sight gag of Bilbo trying to parcel thru a huge contract. Prof. Tolkien did it right the first time . . . short and sweet.
The book has so much humor to exploit, they didn't need to go for such an obvious gag.
A big BOO to the writers on this one.
"I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me!"
The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,
"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"
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DanielLB
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Feb 15 2012, 6:35pm
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I wonder where this contract will end up. Do you reckon that Bilbo will keep hold of it during the entire adventure, as a reference/guidance on what he should and should not do.
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