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Revisiting Bilbo's Contract
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DanielLB
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Feb 14 2012, 9:36pm

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I came across this blog today that had recently come across a very high-resolution picture of Bilbo and his "contract", given to him by the Dwarves after arriving at Bag End. The blogger has been able to decipher (pretty well) the wording of much of the document. Naturally, people will disagree/have suggestions of some of the words/phrases/omissons, but thought I would post it. I know it has been discussed before, but I think this is the best we've ever got.

http://thorinoakenshield.net/...ing-dwarf-documents/

I think he has done a pretty good job (considering).

Also, if the majority of the deciphering is correct, I'm quite happy with the contract Wink I hope Bilbo is too!!


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Feb 14 2012, 10:09pm

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Feb 14 2012, 10:41pm

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Wow! [In reply to] Can't Post

That's really impressive Smile


Lauryn
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Feb 14 2012, 11:05pm

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wow [In reply to] Can't Post

That's amazing....

Some one has a little too much time on their hands... that being said...Awesome!


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Feb 14 2012, 11:32pm

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As geeked-out as I am [In reply to] Can't Post

that someone has taken so much time to translate as much of that contract as the images allowed, I'm even *more* geeked out that the Weta designers wrote a contract in the Dwarf language that could actually be read! Those guys rock!

[which (?) are described collectively herein as the Adventure]

And they even employ Tolkien's wonderful use of random capitilisation. Heart

Burglar understands and agrees to maintain this knowledge
in utmost secrecy and confidentiality and to neither divulge nor make known
said knowledge by any means, including but not limited to speech, writing
demonstration, re-enactment, (?) or storage and retrieval within means
or (?) currently known or (?) or as yet unthought of.

How appropriate that Dwarves, being such gifted creators of objects as they are, take into account any future inventions that could aid the dissemination of information. :D

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Feb 15 2012, 12:48am

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Feb 15 2012, 1:14am

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Imagine how much fun [In reply to] Can't Post

the Weta folk had crafting the language, then translating it. I want to have that kind of job Sly


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Feb 15 2012, 1:52am

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Agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

Though I believe the contract, as shown in this shot, is written in English, not dwarven.


grammaboodawg
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Feb 15 2012, 2:29am

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OMG! I'm staggered! Not just at the effort and geekiness and genius of this work, but that this blogger has highlighted what I already knew... but took for granted. That the massive detail that's going into these films is mind-blowing!!

I was jaw-dropped in awe as I read through this entire blog, the contract, the pictures and delightful generosity sharing this with everyone!

I'm just overwhelmed! BRILLIANT!!!!


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Ataahua
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Feb 15 2012, 3:13am

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I have never [In reply to] Can't Post

paid much notice to the written languages of Middle-earth as my mind doesn't bend that way, but I love how so many people can read Tolkien's letters.

At The Hobbit stage play in Wellington (2005, I think, during Wellingmoot), two of the TORNadoes I was with were giggling away madly: They had realised that the large writing on part of the set was incorrect. Gotta love those girls!

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

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Feb 15 2012, 3:23am

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Yes, it's in English. [In reply to] Can't Post

Which substitutes for Westron in the movies. I wonder if Daniel Reeve developed the script? It's different from the one used by Bilbo and Frodo, and seems reminiscent of Old English script.

Note how the "B" in all instances of "Burglar" has a starting upper "tail" to the letter, giving a "flourish" to the word, thereby emphasizing it!


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Thorins_apprentice
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Feb 15 2012, 3:53am

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Impressive stuff Daniel.|!! [In reply to] Can't Post

ShockedI am not even going to ask how you did that.All i'll say is you are a genius,:))

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(This post was edited by Thorins_apprentice on Feb 15 2012, 3:54am)


SirDennisC
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Feb 15 2012, 4:05am

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This really belongs on the home page. [In reply to] Can't Post

With the care the author took it really deserves wider attention.


Macfeast
Rohan

Feb 15 2012, 4:28am

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First of... [In reply to] Can't Post

...taking the time to decipher this much of the contract is quite the impressive task. This is dedication right here.

Secondly, that the team made sure to make this an actual contract, even though only the most dedicated fans would actually find that out, does not surprise me. Their attention to detail is still superb.


(This post was edited by Macfeast on Feb 15 2012, 4:33am)


DanielLB
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Feb 15 2012, 8:39am

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Yeah, it probably does [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm just so impressed the time this person has taken to do it!


DanielLB
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Feb 15 2012, 8:40am

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Unfortunately [In reply to] Can't Post

It wasn't done by me. I wish I could take full credit (Tongue) but I just stumbled across the blog. Has nothing to do with me!!


(This post was edited by DanielLB on Feb 15 2012, 8:41am)


miriel
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Feb 15 2012, 12:25pm

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Wow! Impressive :D

speaking of deciphering, have anyone gotten anywhere with the rhunes above the door in the Hobbit trailer? (at approximately 01.36)


VoronwŽ_the_Faithful
Valinor

Feb 15 2012, 2:17pm

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But you did an impressive job ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... of a bringing it to our attention. Smile Thanks!

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Feb 15 2012, 2:43pm

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Feb 15 2012, 3:27pm

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Here is a great deciphering runes from trailer thread for everyone, and could anyone see if they can work out any more?: [In reply to] Can't Post

http://newboards.theonering.net/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=25;


We got somewhere but not that far sadly.......

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Feb 15 2012, 3:49pm

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Just rushing in to say ... WOWWWWW!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I am so impressed!!! Amazing!
Good on you! and Lucky us!
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Feb 15 2012, 4:42pm

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Wow, Impressive [In reply to] Can't Post

Now that's what I call dedication! I'm so glad he took the time to do that. Thanks for sharing! ( :

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Feb 15 2012, 5:42pm

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*tig* ;) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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TomthePilgrim
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Feb 15 2012, 6:27pm

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Good find! [In reply to] Can't Post

And Shocked to the guy for that awesome work!

However, I've been wondering and worrying about that absurdly long document that Bilbo was holding ever since I saw the picture for the first time.

Call me a purest (and you will) but I don't think the film needs the sight gag of Bilbo trying to parcel thru a huge contract. Prof. Tolkien did it right the first time . . . short and sweet.

The book has so much humor to exploit, they didn't need to go for such an obvious gag.

A big BOO to the writers on this one.

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DanielLB
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Feb 15 2012, 6:35pm

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I wonder where this contract will end up. Do you reckon that Bilbo will keep hold of it during the entire adventure, as a reference/guidance on what he should and should not do.

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