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weaver
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Jul 7 2009, 7:44am
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**Summer Movie Feature -- When Peter Met Ralph, Part 1!**
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As promised, here's the first installment of our Summer LOTR Movie Board Feature -- a labor of love by a fan combining the Bakshi soundtrack with images from the Jackson trilogy.
This first part takes us from the Prologue through Bilbo's departure from Bag End. Here is the link to it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HHuikhiewQ
I don't have any specific questions to ask, rather, but please feel free to share comments and observations on this first segment.
My own comments:
- I sure miss Howard Shore....
- Isildur really benefits from this edit...
- It feels more like highlights of LOTR than a story to me so far...
I will post Part 2 later this week, likely on Friday...
Thanks and enjoy!
Weaver
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FarFromHome
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Jul 7 2009, 2:28pm
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It makes you realize where Jackson followed Bakshi, as well as the things he did differently - everyone always seems to do Bilbo's Party speech as written, I guess it's just so iconic!
I was surprised to see that Bakshi gives away even more than Jackson does in the Prologue, with much more of Gollum's backstory. Gollum sounds totally familiar to me, since I've listened to the BBC dramatization so many times. In fact, the BBC dramatization seems to have reused Bakshi's Smeagol-Deagol episode, since it sounds absolutely identical, except for an extra sound effect in the radio version (you can hear Deagol's feet thrashing in the water as he's strangled).
I agree with you about the difference in the quality of the music....
Maybe what struck me most was the different tone of the narrator's voice (was it Gandalf's?) Whoever it was, the tone struck me as very avuncular - a storytelling voice that said that this was "just a story". The contrast between this and Galadriel's narration in Jackson's version makes me realize just how early Jackson introduced his "historical" approach to LotR. His narrator (even before we know it's Galadriel) sounds as if she's relating things she has experienced and looks back on with grave sadness, rather than telling us a story. I still remember the chill that ran down my spine when I first heard, "Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it." I don't get any of that feeling of a lost history from the narrator of the Bakshi version.
They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled, the sigh and murmur of the Sea
upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings
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GaladrielTX
Tol Eressea
Jul 7 2009, 6:37pm
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Did anyone here used to own a "Show 'N' Tell"?
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It was fun watching those first scenes, weaver. This guy has done a great job. I do prefer Cate's narration. The prologue is really concise, isn't it? In fact, I don't remember the pace as that fast. I may have confused the Bakshi film with the BBC audio recordings, though. I'm much surer the latter were very slow-paced.
The Bakshi prologue reminded me of stories I used to watch on my Show 'N' Tell in the early 1970s. A Show 'N' Tell looked like a TV but really played short slide shows, and it had a record player on top. Children's stories for it would come in a package containing a small record (the size of a 45, but I think it played at 33 rpm) and a film strip encased in stiff cardboard that you would insert in the "TV". The film strip would roll along in time with the record. The filmstrip only had maybe ten or fifteen frames, though; and the record would be maybe five minutes long so they told the story quickly. I still sort of remember part of "The Wizard of Oz".
Aunt Em: Dorothy, cyclone's coming, run for the cellar.
[Whoosh!}
Dorothy: Where am I?
Munchkins: In Oz.
Dorothy: How do I get back to Kansas?
Munchkins [singing]: Go see the Wizard of Oz.
Dorothy: How do I get there?
Munchkins [singing]: Down the Yellow Brick Road, goodbye!
:D
The "B" side of the record wouldn't have a film strip related to it but instead was a recording of a short classical piece or a folk song. I recall that the "B" side to the story "The Ugly Duckling" was from Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake. Both the story and the music on the "B" side were almost too moving to me as a child. I remember I'd cry whenever I'd watch/listen to either of them.
Sorry for the digression. This just brought up some fun memories for me, and I wondered if anyone else remembers these.
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The TORNsib formerly known as Galadriel.
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weathertop
Rohan
Jul 7 2009, 7:12pm
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interesting! i can't wait to see more
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now i'm going to have to go back and watch the other cartoons, i forget what they're like.
things i noticed:
I sure miss Howard Shore....
i know what you mean. the opening sounds like an classic 'old' film...like something from Ten commandments or that epic era.
It feels more like highlights of LOTR than a story to me so far...
agree with you here. it'll be curious to see if it gets any better (like i said its been soo long since i've seen it.)
it's pretty amazing that they were able to use so many clips from the film discribing the very scene from Bashki. the only thing that stood out was the escape from Shelob used in place of escaping from under the mountain and gollum.
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N.E. Brigand
Half-elven
Jul 9 2009, 5:54am
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Does Jackson's film like Bakshi's have the Elves rather than
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...Sauron distribute the Rings to Dwarves and Men? Tolkien had the Elves make Rings for Elves (with one possible exception), then had Sauron steal seventeen (or sixteen) and hand them out, but Bakshi clearly doesn't intend that. Obviously this clip doesn't explain the situation in Jackson, and it's been so long since I've seen the film.
I prefer Jackson's use of the Sméagol-Déagol encounter at the beginning of ROTK (though not the execution thereof) to Bakshi's use of it in a prologue, but I still feel that no prologue at all would have been better, and perhaps the scene would have worked better still integrated into a "Shadow of the Past" sequence as the book has it.
Thanks, weaver!
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sador
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Jul 9 2009, 6:15am
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"Such a fool deserves to starve." - Bard.
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Jul 9 2009, 4:54pm
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My goodness... that was well done!!
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It was so much better than I expected it to be. The adaptor did an amazing job of editing this and matching them together... right down to the speaking and syncing! I'm amazed! They've pulled in clips from all the films to splice together the continuity.
The sound of the Bakshi version seems so harsh when I still feel Shore's music and the comfort of Jackson's film... but it's awesome how much the films do resemble each other when seen like this!
Fantastic find, weaver!!! Thank you so much!!
"There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West."
~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."
I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.
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Randalin
The Shire
Jul 9 2009, 9:23pm
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I'm glad that weaver found the parts that I've edit.
And I'm glad that you have seen the first part. Grammaboodawg's (and others) comments is lovely reading (of course).
But I am afraid that the matching and syncing is best (was easiest to edit) in this first part. And weathertop's remark about Frodo escaping from Shelob (when it should be Bilbo escaping Gollum) is the first of many examples where the pictures is not the "right" ones. But that was my idea; to use any picture or shot at hand to make the combining experiment possible.
I'm a member in the Swedish Tolkien web community "Tolkiens Arda". I have informed the other members about this summer serial of my "fan's cut" here at TORn. I hope they'll visit you here, and perhaps take part in the debate. (I know one or two of them has already been here).
Finally: It's fantastic to be published here at TORn – a site I've visited so many times. Never before has so many people viewed my clips at the same day. The gratifying record of nearly 600 views was set the same day as I broke my fishing-boat completely when running aground. (the Gaffer said: "Boats are quite tricky enough for those that sit still without looking further for the cause of trouble.") It comforted me a lot when I came home and logged in!
Have a nice summer. See you!
Look out for me, especially at unlikely times.
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weaver
Half-elven
Jul 10 2009, 12:47am
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**pulls up comfortable chair by the fire for Randalin**
There you are! Welcome!
Sorry about your boat  but I'm glad we made you feel better!
I, too, am happy I found your Jackson/Bakshi labor of love -- as you can see your efforts are something that a lot of folks are enjoying.
Please feel free to wander around and comment on anything else, now that we've gotten you to wander in here. I hope others from your Tolkien's Arda site join in as well...
I'll post the next installment of your fan edit on Friday (US eastern time) -- "to be continued"!
Weaver
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grammaboodawg
Immortal
Jul 10 2009, 4:48pm
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Oh... I loved the little diversion and instinctual use of this shot for that effect/continuity! Brilliant!!! :D It's like catching chapter titles in the dialogue of Jackson's adaptation. Fun little treasures to watch for :)
I'm so sorry about your boat... nasty tricksters; but I'm in awe of your devotion to this project. Well Done!! :D And Thank you!
"There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West."
~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."
I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.
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batik
Tol Eressea
Jul 17 2009, 1:22am
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just watched the *Ralph* version this week...
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...my first viewing.
Strange to hear the old school version of *soundtrack* played behind clips of the Jackson version. (Was anyone else reminded of the music from "Planet of the Apes"?  )
Of course, I caught the 'out of sequence' bits right off but that was OK--kept the narrative of the Prologue flowing pretty well.
How funny---the...what the heck was that sound?...accompanying Bilbo's disappearance/reappearance.
anyhoo--off to watch part 2!
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So glad you stopped by!
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