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Arwen_Undomiel
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Feb 19 2008, 6:30pm
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Hi all!
I am going to try and find out- does anyone know if Elrond is going to be the same actor, or if anyone else is going to be the same actor?
I don't know if I'm bothering anybody, but if I am-
Bye!!! Have a great day
Arwen_Undomiel
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Lunamoth
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Feb 19 2008, 6:41pm
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Seeing as there's no script and a director hasn't been officially signed on, there's no "official" casting yet either. I don't see why they *wouldn't* ask Hugo Weaving to play Elrond again, of course, but nobody officially "knows".
Make sense?
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ArathornJax
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Feb 19 2008, 6:52pm
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I think who will be who will depend on time. If Hugo Weaving has something else going on and is contractually obligated then he won't be able to be back. If he is available then it will be whether he wants to come back. Sure it will be the same for everyone else also.
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Tolkien Forever
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Feb 19 2008, 9:49pm
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Hopefully, Elrond will actually crack a smile before the 11th hour (literally, Arwen's wedding) & won't be such a sourpussly doomsayer in The Hobbit.
Since Hugo Weaving hasn't been doing The Matrix 4, 5 & 6, or been seen in much else
(has he?), I don't think he wouldn't be too busy - if they ever get the project going.
I think all the actors 'crossing over' should be recruited for The Hobbit for the sake of Middle-earth continuity', exept, of course Ian Holm, who would be way too old for Bilbo. He looked much too old in that one flash-back scene where he finds the Ring in FOTR & that was filmed 9 years ago.
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Feb 19 2008, 10:40pm
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Here's a link to his filmography: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0915989/
As for Elrond, can anyone remember when his wife was taken by the Orcs and her subsequent sailing to Valinor? If it was before the events of The Hobbit then I doubt we'd see a particularly smiley Elrond in the new movies.
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Tolkien Forever
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Feb 19 2008, 11:02pm
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2509 TA.... Celebrian is waylaid in the Redhorn pass & receives a poisoned wound.
2510 TA ....Celebrian departs over the sea.
In the intermittent, she was 'in the dens of the orcs' & her twin sons rescued her.
But, Elrond isn't portrayed as such a dork in any of the books - that's a PJ creation.
Tolkien desribes him in 'Many Meetings' as Mighty among Elves & Men..... 'The face of Elrond was neither old nor young, though in it was written the memory of many things both GLAD & sorrowful. ..his eyes were grey as a clear evening, & in them was a light like the light of stars. Venerable he seemed as a king crowned with many winters, & tried as a warrior in the fulness of his strength.'
Hardly sounds like the dour sourpuss PJ made him out to be.....
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stormcrow20
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Feb 19 2008, 11:21pm
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Actually, he smiled or grinned twice at the Council. When the three other hobbits appeared, and when he says "You shall be the Fellowship of the Ring."
See them here and here
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stormcrow20
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Feb 19 2008, 11:28pm
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Ian McKellen (Gandalf), Andy Serkis (Gollum), Cate Blanchett (Galadriel) and Christopher Lee (Saruman) have all publicly expressed interest in reprising their roles. And director-to-be Guillermo Del Toro has said he would like to have the original cast.
I have not heard anything about Hugo Weaving, though I'm fairly confident he would be happy do it.
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Annael
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Feb 19 2008, 11:49pm
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but it's the smile at the coronation that gets you
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So much love and yet so much pain, to see his daughter happy and to lose her. "And bitter was their parting that should endure beyond the end of the world." I can't look at him without tearing up too.
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stormcrow20
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Feb 19 2008, 11:56pm
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You're right. The smiles at the Council are from the surprise and admiration of the hobbits, and perhaps pride in christening the Fellowship. But his smile at the coronation is true happiness, though bittersweet.
Though I'm usually quite distracted by Arwen's expression at the coronation...
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kareniel
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Feb 20 2008, 12:11am
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Give poor Elrond a break! He had a lot on his mind. The time of the Elves was passing, and his beautiful stronghold would soon be abandoned and perhaps fall into evil hands. He had to decide if he should stay behind and assist Men in their fight against Sauron, or go immediately into the West to Valinor. His beloved daughter was falling in love with Aragorn and shedding her immortality. His wife had never fully recovered from her capture by orcs and had been living apart from him for a long time. That's quite a litany of concerns for anyone to cope with. I thought Hugo Weaving did a wonderful job of portraying so complex and intriguing a character. He didn't really look ancient, but he carried himself as if he had experienced lifetimes of sorrow and joy, victory and defeat.
I share your hope that as many of the original cast as possible will return for The Hobbit and the bridge film. Isn't it fun to imagine sitting in the theater for the opening of the films? I just wish all this red tape would dissolve so they could get on with it?
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Tolkien Forever
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Feb 20 2008, 1:44am
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I can't help look at Elrond without tearing up either, but it's because PJ made him so grouchy....... 
Yes, I thought Weaving was good, but here's the 'rub':
Where in the book was Elrond running off at the mouth saying things all the time about the Good Guys going to lose?
He's constantly giving doomsday predictions, "We're going to lose in battle, Aragorn will not be coming back, blah, blah, blah."
NOT in the books.
Pure fantasy brought to you by Peter Jackson, inventer of 'Sauron the Lighthouse' & "Go Home, Sam"......
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N.E. Brigand
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Feb 20 2008, 3:02am
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Weaving seemed more glum than grave.
And neither of the grimacing grins posted by stormcrow (especially not the second, where Elrond looks gassy) evoke for me Elrond's smile in the book's Council.
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Tolkien Forever
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Feb 20 2008, 5:24am
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The only smile from Weaving I recall was when Arwen got married & it seemed really forced....
Of course, he was acting the part given.
I think, he was chosen because he was the creepy Agent Smith - please tell me The Matrix was first (I simply despise the matrix, so I don't recall the dates, but wasn't it first?).
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CAhobbit
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Feb 20 2008, 5:35am
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It was released in 1999 so production on that film ended before production began on "The Lord of the Rings".
Hugo Weaving/Elrond did have a couple of smile moments in "The Fellowship of the Ring" during the council of Elrond scenes IIRC.
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Earl
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Feb 20 2008, 10:11am
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"Welcome to Rivendell, Frodo of the Shire."
He does smile there, and it's very welcoming, and laden with some bittersweet emotion that I still don't get, but I like it
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 20 2008, 11:30am
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Elijah Wood has said if they can use his Frodo in the 2nd film, he's excited about participating. I'm thinking it'd basically be a cameo-esque role towards the end of the film. Maybe walking through Bag End as he picks up a book and calls out to an absent-mined/preoccupied Bilbo (working at his desk) that he's going out to have a read. Maybe we could see Merry and Pippin walking along in front of the Green Dragon and looking at all the foods being sold... deciding they're hungry and run off to go shopping in Maggot's fields. And there could be a Wizard in a cart pulling off of the Bucklebury Ferry and makes off for Hobbiton! Maybe while he's on the other side of the Brandywine, he could be seen talking with a Ranger who happens to be in the area on his way to Bree for a bit of ale.
Oh, it'd be great fun if they could end film 2 with events that bring us into FotR! *twitch*
 
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Laerasëa
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Feb 20 2008, 1:54pm
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That would be an awesome idea!! But it might be better if it was just Elijah Wood...the subtlety and closure of the film might be lost if it ends with Gandalf and Strider conspiring :)
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 20 2008, 3:18pm
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The time he spent filming for LotR
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was done within a few weeks, as it was with Cate Blanchette, Christopher Lee and Ian Holm. Their parts are small in comparison to the ordeal the hobbits went through. Even Ian McKellen didn't start filming until 3 months into the project. David Wenham didn't start filming until towards the end of the year-and-a-half principle photography and Sean Bean left early, too. I'm sure when they start the 2-film project, some time within that schedule, Hugo, Cate, Christopher and Ian Holm could get squeezed in there somewhere ;) If Andy Serkis has more than just Gollum to portray, he could be around for the entire schedule... otherwise he'd just be there for a bit of it, too. Even Gandalf in the book leaves for a goodly chunk of the story. If they have the White Council, that would fill the demand for Ian McKellen to stick around for most of the filming (also depends on his contribution to film 2).
This is gonna be fun! :D
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Feb 20 2008, 8:03pm
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Why would Andy Serkis have more than just Gollum to play?
There's plenty of actors to have no need for doubling up on roles.
As far as having every actor from TOLR in on a cameo, I don't see that happening....
Schedules alone would prevent it. But, it also seems a little too complicated from a storyline point to make feasable sense to The Hobbit.
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 20 2008, 8:15pm
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was because he doubled-up on his roles in King Kong and did a lot of voice characterizations in LotR. John Rhys Davies doubled-up in LotR even though one was a voiceover. I never take anything for granted when it comes to Jackson's films ;)
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Tolkien Forever
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Feb 20 2008, 8:37pm
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Yeah, I thought you might mean that
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Dreamdeer
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Feb 22 2008, 6:14pm
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1. I have always pictured Elrond sad in LotR, long before the movies came out. He was stuck between several kinds of rocks and hard places. If he finally gained his long-sought dream, of his brother's legacy being restored through his foster-son, Aragorn, then his daughter must die. If he finally succeeds in destroying Sauron, then the magic ring by which he has built the incomparable Rivendell will turn into nothing more than a bit of junk jewelry, and Rivendell itself will eventually fall into decay and be forgotten. But then he will get to finally go home and reunite with his wife--yet then have to explain why Arwen's not with him, and is never going to reunite with her mother ever.
However, Elrond in the Hobbit is a regular party-boy, having less at stake and reveling in the changes of the season. This should be interesting!
2. In the books Frodo does mention remembering Balin's visit to Bag End, but he had been a child, then, so Elijah Wood couldn't play him. In any case, Bilbo didn't take Frodo in till after his great adventure. One would have to contort the narrative flow unnecessarily to include Elijah Wood as Frodo. Still, he might play some other part in different costume, perhaps even Fili or Kili, in the right wig.
3. I'd like to see Sean Astin play the Young Bilbo, in a dark wig. He has Bilbo's sort of blunt features, and I think he's got it in him for the necessary squeals of terror here and there. I'd like to see Mr. Astin stretched in a completely different way, for unlike Sam, neither humility nor courage come easily to our respectable little business-hobbit, though Bilbo makes a wonderful journey finding and developing these qualities.
Come to think of it, Dominic Monaghan might make an even better Bilbo, if he is willing to gain the necessary weight. Because while the film-version of Merry had its comic moments, Bilbo tells almost his entire story as a comedy, and Mr. Monaghan has a particular knack for that--plus a fine sense of when to shift gears into serious drama. But Bilbo absolutely has to be fat and out of shape. Still, clever make-up artists can fake it, if necessary.
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Feb 22 2008, 6:33pm
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Although I think it might be a stretch to cast Elijah Wood in "The Hobbit", I would really love to see him in something completely different, an historical costume drama. I would love to see him play Lord Byron!
Think of what a role that would be! The brilliant but disturbed, bipolar poet, careening uncontrollably between gentleness and cruelty, manic elations and gothic depressions, adventuring on every impulse until the one that finally killed him, seducing women with confused abandon, attaining the sublimest heights of artistic creation before tumbling again and again into strange depths--oh, it would call on every talent Mr. Wood can muster to bring it all to life! And he'd have to manage it all with a limp, on account of the poet's club foot, including the excruciating tennis-matches and military drills that Byron forced upon himself despite his disability. I think he would bring a certain spark to the role, personally.
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Feb 26 2008, 3:39pm
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Elrond could be 'sad', i.e., melancoly, but not a sourpuss......
Besides, go back & read the quote I posted: 'There were many things both sad & happy (joyfull?) written on his face'
Note: BOTH.......
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