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noWizardme
Half-elven
Oct 19 2015, 9:19am
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Planning for the Two Towers Book IV read-through - yes, already!
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By the power invested in me by nobody in particular, I declare the we might want to start thinking about Book IV.
First of course - I'm happy to carry on organizing (insofar as any organizing needs doing). But should anyone be eager to have a go, please say and I won't mind handing over.
Secondly, as far as I am aware the one chapter per week format is working well. But if anyone doesn't think so (or thinks there are other changes we ought to make) please do say.
Unless we do need a wider discussion (and I'll assume that silence on the above points means that people are broadly happy), then I think the main thing to settle reasonably soon is the schedule, so that we can then move on to asking for volunteers to lead chapters.
The last chapter of Book III is scheduled to go up on 22 November. The next weekend after that is the Thanksgiving holiday in the USA (but not all over North America - belated Happy Thanksgiving to Canadian readers!). I am assuming that we want to skip USA Thanksgiving week. So I think the obvious options are EITHER to start in December, taking an appropriate break for Christmas/New Year. OR we could take a longer break after Book III, starting Book IV in January 2016. These options are shown as 'Schedule A' and 'Schedule B' below. Let's discuss which we prefer (or of course whether some other schedule would be better).
It's not too early to volunteer to lead a chapter (with the understanding that it might be conditional on the schedule we choose). In fact, that is an important point - it's no use choosing a schedule only to find that all the would-be volunteers are too busy just then to fill it. My least favourite schedule would be one that grinds to an unplanned halt for lack of volunteers. So if you would like to lead a chapter, and would prefer the Schedule A timing to the Schedule B one (or vice versa), do say!
Here are how the schedules would work out:
Schedule A - starts after the US Thanksgiving, has a break for Christmas/New Year
week starts # Chapter # Chapter name #
29-Nov-15 0 No chapter (USA Thanksgiving holiday)
06-Dec-15 # I # The Taming of Smeagol #
13-Dec-15 # II # The Passage of the Marshes #
20-Dec-15 # III # The Black Gate Is Closed #
27-Dec-15 # n/a No chapter (Xmas and New year break)
03-Jan-16 # IV # Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit #
10-Jan-16 # V # The Window on the West #
17-Jan-16 # VI # The Forbidden Pool #
24-Jan-16 # VII # Journey to the Cross-roads #
31-Jan-16 # VIII # The Stairs of Cirith Ungol #
07-Feb-16 # IX # Shelob's Lair #
14-Feb-16 X # The Choices of Master Samwise #
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Schedule B -starts January 2016, and runs without gaps
week starts # Chapter # Chapter name #
03-Jan-16 # I # The Taming of Smeagol #
10-Jan-16 # II # The Passage of the Marshes #
17-Jan-16 # III # The Black Gate Is Closed #
24-Jan-16 # IV # Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit #
31-Jan-16 # V # The Window on the West #
07-Feb-16 # VI # The Forbidden Pool #
14-Feb-16 # VII # Journey to the Cross-roads #
21-Feb-16 # VIII # The Stairs of Cirith Ungol #
28-Feb-16 # IX # Shelob's Lair #
06-Mar-16 # X # The Choices of Master Samwise #
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Join us for a read-through of The Two Towers (Book III of Lord of the Rings) in the Reading-Room - 13 September- 29 November 2015.
Schedule etc: http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=864064#864064
(This post was edited by Silverlode on Oct 22 2015, 10:19am)
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Mikah
Lorien
Oct 22 2015, 2:02am
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and by that I mean, either way is fine by me.
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MirielCelebel
Rivendell
Oct 22 2015, 4:06pm
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I'm in. Either schedule works for me. I recommend the sooner of the two schedule only because if it's too far out, I'm liable to forget (again). But that's just my opinion. I look forward to it!!
"The Road goes ever on..."
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noWizardme
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Oct 23 2015, 11:16am
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Any thoughts on Schedule A vs. Schedule B?
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So far, nobody has a preference. Nor do I very strongly, though it did occur to me that while the Read-through has been well supported, not much else is currently being posted in the Reading Room. So there may be a case for keeping up momentum, and that makes me mildly prefer Schedule A (i..e staring in early December).
Maybe it really doesn't matter & either shedule would be perfectly OK. But since we have to pick one (and pick it before 'not choosing' turns into 'choosing schedule B by default' I'm going to propose we do A, unless anyone has arguments in favour of B...?
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Join us for a read-through of The Two Towers (Book III of Lord of the Rings) in the Reading-Room - 13 September- 29 November 2015.
Schedule etc: http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=864064#864064
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Darkstone
Immortal
Nov 6 2015, 3:51pm
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I can do a chapter and/or sit on the bench.
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"Mister Frodo, hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good frying pan at your side. I’ve been from one side of this garden to the other, I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful Providence controlling everything. There's no Music of the Ainur that controls my destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense."
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Hamfast Gamgee
Grey Havens
Nov 7 2015, 12:12am
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But I think that I would prefer the earlier one. I can't wait!
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noWizardme
Half-elven
Nov 13 2015, 10:26am
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noWizardme gets dictatorial :)
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By the power vested in me by no-one in particular (or possibly by The Power of Castle Greyskull-Tim*) I would like to resolve as follows:
I would like to lead The Taming of Smeagol
I think we should do a schedule starting in January- as we still have to find volunteers for chapters 2 and 3, and I don't want to start before then & have things come to a confused pause. Also, from a selfish POV, I'm not going to have time this month to prepare Taming of Smeagol.
Here's the schedule I therefore propose; chapters in red italics need volunteers!
week starts # Chapter # Chapter name # leader
03-Jan-16 # I # The Taming of Smeagol # noWizardme
10-Jan-16 # II # The Passage of the Marshes #
17-Jan-16 # III # The Black Gate Is Closed #
24-Jan-16 # IV # Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit # Hamfast Gamgee
31-Jan-16 # V # The Window on the West # MirielCelebel
07-Feb-16 # VI # The Forbidden Pool #
14-Feb-16 # VII # Journey to the Cross-roads #
21-Feb-16 # VIII # The Stairs of Cirith Ungol # squire
28-Feb-16 # IX # Shelob's Lair #
06-Mar-16 # X # The Choices of Master Samwise #
(Easter 2016 is March 27)
*To explain "Castle Greyskull-Tim". One of the junior no-wizards went through a phase of reading He Man (TM) comics. He had only just learned to read and was bemused by all the "(TM) s". He came to the completely logical conclusion that they ought to be pronounced "Tim"
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Two Towers Read-through: Now looking for volunteers to lead chapters in Book IV: http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=878725#878725
The Book III schedule and links:
week starts # Chapter # Chapter name # leader # URL of thread
13-Sep-15 # I # The Departure of Boromir # MirielCelebel http://goo.gl/zpn7Rg
20-Sep-15 # II # The Riders of Rohan # Brethil (Part 1) http://goo.gl/yKNv7E (2) http://goo.gl/mxesBG
27-Sep-15 # III # The Uruk-hai # cats16 http://goo.gl/LUWJi1
04-Oct-15 # IV # Treebeard # Mikah http://goo.gl/2CqCXS
11-Oct-15 # V # The White Rider # Entwife Wandlimb http://goo.gl/VXb2Ni
18-Oct-15 # VI # The King of the Golden Hall # squire (Part 1) http://goo.gl/cpEvnI, (2) http://goo.gl/BBTzvR, (3) http://goo.gl/yN7QLq, (4) http://goo.gl/7726S3 (5) http://goo.gl/VC7Abc
25-Oct-15 # VII # Helm's Deep # arithmancer (Part 1) http://goo.gl/E6gVUC, (2) http://goo.gl/5aRuq0
01-Nov-15 # VIII # The Road to Isengard # Darkstone (Part 1)http://goo.gl/rdE1xG (2) http://goo.gl/54rxDw (3)http://goo.gl/Y0ZDwz (4) http://goo.gl/XVgXCx (5) http://goo.gl/Ph0O7k
08-Nov-15 # IX # Flotsam and Jetsam # Enanito (Part 1) http://goo.gl/GddHbU (2) http://goo.gl/5Z6MQU
15-Nov-15 # X # The Voice of Saruman # jochenkeen
22-Nov-15 # XI # The Palantir # Elizabeth
A wonderful list of links to previous read-throughs is curated by our very own 'squire' here http://users.bestweb.net/...-SixthDiscussion.htm
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oliphaunt
Lorien
Nov 15 2015, 1:01pm
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Oliphaunt will be very good and follow the nice hobbits across the marshes
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Oliphaunt will be very good and follow the nice hobbits across the nasty marshes.
10-Jan-16 # II # The Passage of the Marshes #
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Al Carondas
Lorien
Nov 17 2015, 3:05am
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Like Wally World? I could take Chapter III, noWizardme.
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Mironiel
The Shire
Nov 17 2015, 3:14am
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I volunteer as a tribute!(yes yes...i know...wrong universe...)
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I would like to volunteer for what ever chapter is left, but what do you mean by 'leading a chapter', exactly?
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noWizardme
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Nov 17 2015, 11:12am
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"but what do you mean by 'leading a chapter', exactly? " Well - here is noWizardme’s unofficial guide to leading a chapter in a Reading Room ‘read-through’
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noWizardme’s unofficial guide to leading a chapter in a Reading Room ‘read-through’
To be a chapter leader the only qualifications you need are
1) Access to the book we’re discussing
2) To have read your chapter in preparation for leading it (recommended even if you have previously read it many times - it is amazing what you can discover on re-reading)
3) Some opinions or questions or both about the chapter
The ‘chapter leader’ has two jobs:
1) At the start of the week, start a thread for discussing the chapter (and post further threads or posts as wished to continue that discussion)
2) Help ‘maintain the courtesy of our halls’ - by engaging with the people who post replies. But the chapter leader isn’t solely responsible for this - as in any good discussion people also reply to and thank each other.
The chapter leader is free to organize the thread in the way he or she thinks is best. He or she might decide to have one thread, or a thread with subthreads, or a thread per day, or any other arrangement that he or she thinks will work.
The chapter leader is free to write a lot or a little, ask a lot of questions or a few. He or she is not expected to cover the chapter comprehensively - that often isn’t practical anyway, and other posters will certainly raise points that they think are interesting & if the chapter leader didn’t cover them. So the chapter leader is entitled to pick out just some aspects of the chapter that are of personal interest if he or she likes- the key thing is to start up an interesting discussion, not to write a definitive essay or thesis or exam paper about the chapter!
If you are stuck for questions to ask, thsi generic list might be a helpful prompt for ideas http://www.litlovers.com/...uestions-for-fiction
I suggest the following DO’s and DON’Ts :
DO...
Have fun and enable others to have fun (this is my most important ‘Do’)
Ask questions because you don’t know the answer. You don’t need to know all the answers (who does?) Quite likely it’s a point that puzzles or interests other readers too. It’s fine to say that you don’t understand this thing or wonder about that thing. In fact this is often very effective: someone is bound to post an answer. And then often someone posts a different answer and an interesting discussion starts up about the different interpretations, which is exactly what we wanted.
Ask for help (from the read-through organizer or the Admins) if you need it.
DON’T...
Worry (this is my most important ‘DON’T’). Short of doing something obviously absurd (e.g. not posting anything at all or posting a discussion of a movie or of some other book) you are unlikely to do a bad job of being a chapter leader.
Don’t worry whether someone knows more about the chapter than you do. Don’t worry whether there are relevant things you don’t know. That’s fine - it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be leading the chapter. Other people will chip in with their knowledge and insights - in a supportive way - and will probably be delighted to do so. Don’t worry whether someone has asked your questions on this forum before. That’s fine: I think we like discussing things all over again because most of us on the site now probably weren’t here last time. Anyway it comes out different each time, depending upon who is involved. Where someone finds a relevant old discussion & posts a link that just adds interest, & is not a rebuke for being unoriginal.
Quote the chapter (or any other copyrighted work) so extensively that you have pretty much published it. But it is fine to include short quotes to illustrate a point. (See here for more guidance http://newboards.theonering.net/...cgi?post=29449#29449 )
Feel that you have to write at great length - in fact writing a lot can cause a problem for some folks (who then don’t have time to read the Original Posts, let alone join in the debate). And if you did achieve the definitive essay on the chapter, there wouldn’t be much to say in reply (except ‘wow!’) so it wouldn’t start much of a discussion.
Feel you have to answer every post you get in reply or control the resulting discussion- some discussions explode into lots of ideas and tangents. Personally if that happens to a chapter I’ve led I feel I’ve done a good job in starting up such an enthusiastic debate.
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Two Towers Read-through: Now looking for volunteers to lead chapters in Book IV: http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=878725#878725
The Book III schedule and links:
13-Sep-15 # I # The Departure of Boromir # MirielCelebel http://goo.gl/zpn7Rg
20-Sep-15 # II # The Riders of Rohan # Brethil (Part 1) http://goo.gl/yKNv7E (2) http://goo.gl/mxesBG
27-Sep-15 # III # The Uruk-hai # cats16 http://goo.gl/LUWJi1
04-Oct-15 # IV # Treebeard # Mikah http://goo.gl/2CqCXS
11-Oct-15 # V # The White Rider # Entwife Wandlimb http://goo.gl/VXb2Ni
18-Oct-15 # VI # The King of the Golden Hall # squire (Part 1) http://goo.gl/cpEvnI, (2) http://goo.gl/BBTzvR, (3) http://goo.gl/yN7QLq, (4) http://goo.gl/7726S3 (5) http://goo.gl/VC7Abc
25-Oct-15 # VII # Helm's Deep # arithmancer (Part 1) http://goo.gl/E6gVUC, (2) http://goo.gl/5aRuq0
01-Nov-15 # VIII # The Road to Isengard # Darkstone (Part 1)http://goo.gl/rdE1xG (2) http://goo.gl/54rxDw (3)http://goo.gl/Y0ZDwz (4) http://goo.gl/XVgXCx (5) http://goo.gl/Ph0O7k
08-Nov-15 # IX # Flotsam and Jetsam # Enanito (Part 1) http://goo.gl/GddHbU (2) http://goo.gl/5Z6MQU
15-Nov-15 # X # The Voice of Saruman # jochenkeen (Part 1) http://goo.gl/1voDsc (2)http://goo.gl/JONRh2
22-Nov-15 # XI # The Palantir # Elizabeth
Book IV starts 3 January 2016!!
A wonderful list of links to previous read-throughs is curated by our very own 'squire' here http://users.bestweb.net/...-SixthDiscussion.htm
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Mironiel
The Shire
Nov 17 2015, 11:53am
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I'll volunteer for the Journey to the Crossroads chapter.
So basically, I have to create a thread titled 'Two Towers Read-through: chapter VII: Journey to the Cross-roads' or something, and then just talk about the chapter?
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Elizabeth
Half-elven
Nov 22 2015, 10:55pm
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The Reading Room is currently holding its Sixth LotR Read-through/chapter discussions! The first began in March, 2000. You may find links to them all here, thanks to squire! If you wish, you can look at previous discussions of a chapter you are leading (or following), and will find a great variety of presentation styles as well as some fascinating insights and points of view.
Second, of course... join our current discussion, which this week will wrap up The Two Towers Book 3. As noWizardme notes, the Book 4 will commence in January, after a holiday break.
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Thanks! Sold to the man in the armour :) //
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