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vanima ephel
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Apr 5 2014, 4:11am
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GotG
Lee would make a great Star Lord. (You have seen Possession, right? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368563/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_17 Or his much smaller part in 30 Beats? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1484521/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_9 :p )
Sword
I love that sword. It looks gorgeous and unique. (I do worry about the grip being a part of the blade. I imagine the force of impact would travel right to the palm of the wielder. But as I have zero actual knowledge on the subject, I just assume an Elf King can take it like a boss.
Female elves
I know that none of the fiction Tolkien published (or the fiction that was sewn together and published by his son) ever put a female elf in a military type role, but some of his History of Middle Earth suggested that before reaching full maturity (iow: before marrying and having children) female elves appeared and behaved in much that same ways male elves did. I really like that thought, and I kind of love that PJ and Co. are trying to show that idea to us with Tauriel. I just wish it wasn't throwing so much else off kilter. I'll continue to hope that it all works out in a way that can make most of us good with it.
(I don't have the exact quotes form tHoME, and I'm afraid it has been a long while since I read it - way back when LotR was still rolling out in theaters. My interest then was in commonalities between Elves and Dwarves - the similarity in looks and behavior of the sexes in youth was definitely mentioned, in some form, for both races. :) 'Couse, now I'll have to try and find it all again...)
Tauriel might try to steal the spotlight, but Legolas is a fair ninja on his own (though I do hope they'll layer his character a bit more, rather than just seeming to have him there to react to her), and Thranduil...Just the way he sheathes his sword is ninja. He can leave it to the underlings and kiddies to do the grunt work. (I lie! I can't wait to see him strut his stuff in tBoFA.)
Thank you!
I'm just spouting my opinions, you - and lots of others in these threads - keep providing The Pretty. (I hope there's a chance of seeing more of that next Tuesday, when the Theatrical edition extras appear - assuming we haven't seen all of them on youtube already.) :D
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Apr 5 2014, 8:24am
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Ooooh, no, not yet. Sadly.
I'm working my way through the list. Are those flicks any good?
My first movie memory of Lee Pace was in Lincoln. That was a detestable character, such politician-slime. But even then I was intrigued enough beyond the wig to look him up. Imagine my shock when I saw Thranduil in his filmography. I will confess that my first though was "Egads, how are they gonna tame those brows?" It just did not compute. I am so glad everything came together so beautifully.
Soldier's Girl was unbelievable - have you watched To Wang Foo, Thanks For Everything? It was loads of fun, especially when you realise who the men who wore the dresses and makeup were  That's my idea of an actor in a female-ish role. But Lee Pace, wow, he wore femininity so much better than I could ever hope to muster, to my eternal chagrin. My mum would not believe me when I told her that's truly not a willowy woman on screen, but a tall guy with prosthetics. I could hardly believe it myself.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Fall, and reading the interviews its amazing the work he did. Its such a shame its not recognised enough. He does have a penchant for challenges, eh? A female role to start, and then acting with kids. He seemed to get it really well. Would be really interesting if he got behind the camera.
Right now I am having a blast with Pushing Daisies.
Oh, and I tried sitting through Twilight: endured 3 minutes and gave up.
Lee would make a great Star Lord. (You have seen Possession, right? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368563/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_17 Or his much smaller part in 30 Beats? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1484521/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_9 :p )
Re: Female Elves
I don't have HoME, so that's an interesting tidbit for me. Shall file it away for if I go back to that fanfic of mine. Though, with Elves maturing at about 100 years, vocation is probably set maybe a couple centuries after? I think she's still too much an upstart at 600 :P
I can appreciate what PJ and crew are aiming for, but I can't get behind how they're doing it. You said it best, and I too hope!
I just wish it wasn't throwing so much else off kilter. I'll continue to hope that it all works out in a way that can make most of us good with it.
Ooh yeah, the sword is truly a work of craftsmanship. To think we'd get two of 'em in BoFA! We needs a trailer, like 2 weeks ago!
I would so like to get a good look at that partial sword-sheath he uses. Such a dangerously stylish way to wear a sword - look at Lee with his fingers splayed when he sheathes it. Thranduil is the epitome of edge with minimalist flair.
You don't suppose the royal healer was summoned to the King's chambers to treat swordarm whiplash after he gave the batten-down order?
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I love that sword. It looks gorgeous and unique. (I do worry about the grip being a part of the blade. I imagine the force of impact would travel right to the palm of the wielder. But as I have zero actual knowledge on the subject, I just assume an Elf King can take it like a boss.
Re Father-Son.
There's beauty, and then there's beauty. My sister, who shares similar aesthetics senses, but has zero interest in the books, was simply aware Leggy's dad would be in the Hobbit. She immediately recognise Thranduil in AUJ unsurprisingly (she loved Thorin though). But after we finished DoS the first time, she declared Thranduil to be THE star of the movie, just like that Buzzfeed article. (Thorin's stake has clearly been decimated). Lee's portrayal connected so much that she is now tempted to really pick up the books, which says a lot, knowing her (she had never picked up other book adaptations despite copies of my books lying around). Which was more than Legolas ever mustered.
With Legolas, I had of course wanted mwoar too. But I was, as is now, in control of my faculties (so I tell myself) and I was aware the movie Legolas always a case of sugar-high from pure eye-candy. So I would have overdosed pretty quickly even if I was initially delirious to be hit with a Legolas-feature. But with Thranduil, that's clearly a different, and much more magnetic, Elf we see, and so much to explore that I would be happy to go over whatever we get again and again. Having said that, with Thranduil, moremoremore is much more preferable than less! Bring it on, PJ!
Son cheerleading Father. But ain't it the truth though? (And apparently this is real? Can imagine the fun this duo got to on set  )
He can leave it to the underlings and kiddies to do the grunt work. (I lie! I can't wait to see him strut his stuff in tBoFA.)
Classic warrior cool. The samurai flourish goes with the katana concept for that beautiful blade design.
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Thranduil...Just the way he sheathes his sword is ninja.
Here's to more! =) Unless you consider the memes and spoofs and gags - I read somewhere Thrnaduil has been designated a GIF goldmine, nevermind the lack of screentime he got... but having done the labour, I do believe we're out of original material for now. But I shall continue to brave the Wild.
Thank you!
I'm just spouting my opinions, you - and lots of others in these threads - keep providing The Pretty. (I hope there's a chance of seeing more of that next Tuesday, when the Theatrical edition extras appear - assuming we haven't seen all of them on youtube already.) :D 
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vanima ephel
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Apr 6 2014, 3:49am
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Those Flicks:
They are the two flicks I remember seeing Lee shirtless for at least one scene. :P Possession is a good film, if you like psychological horror or Sarah MIchelle Geller. It's one of my faves, 'cause I love both. 30 Beats, on the other hand, I'd call a bit of soft core porn. If you're not offended by that sort of thing, I think I remember a shower scene. (In fact, think that bit's on youtube. ;) )
I agree completely on Lincoln, Soldiers Girl and To Wong Foo. Elrond, you old devil. I'm afraid you'd loose that Drag Race.
The Fall and Pushing Daisies are flawless. Twilight I'm just not into, but I watched every. Last. Minute of it. I'll keep my copy of it, too. (I'm a completest and a pack rat, even when it hurts.)
Tauriel:
I found my general reference, but it might take me a while to get around to picking it over for what I think I remember of it. I also came across a link to a pdf file for it while I was googling around for the HoME chapter, if you wanted to look it over for yourself sometime: http://faculty.smu.edu/...T-LawsandCustoms.pdf (Wow. Apparently copy/paste achieves a hot link. XD )
Beauty and Beauty:
I was madly in love with the whole idea of "Legolas and Gimli" when LotR rolled out. I'd been a fan of the pair since reading the LotR books in high school. (Odd couples and buddies are still what keep me fannish.) But Legolas, aka Orlando Bloom, was the shiny one of the two, and it helped that they included "elf eyes" and some snow-walking. (Gimli still had John Rhys Davies going for him, as I'd been a fan of his for ages. For me, it did make up - a bit - for the movie's overall abuse of his character.)
But I really didn't have a favorite of any kind for The Hobbit. I read it as a child, so I had no fannish attachment to any part of it. I was happy with the first movie chapter simply because I thought Martin Freeman made for an excellent Bilbo. I barely acknowledged Thranduil (though I'm fairly sure all the "Elf on an Elk" gifs started up around that time - yeah, he is definitely a gif goldmine). Watching DoS changed my interest considerably. ;)
Thranduil is a darker character than most, and that - combined with good looks and smooth moves - always makes for more interesting scenes. Contrast brings out character. (iow: I agree with buzzfeed) I'd really like to see him interact with everyone else in the cast, in as many combinations as possible, but I'll be really happy just to get the expected (book) scenes with Thorin and Bilbo.
Fanfic:
By the way, do you have a link to that fic of yours, or is it an unpublished work in progress? I started thinking about it and got all nostalgic. I went back to one of my old haunts to do a Thranduil search and an old favorite popped up. I wonder if it might be something you'd be familiar with, Legolas: The Owner's Guide: http://www.henneth-annun.net/stories/chapter_view.cfm?stid=2362&spordinal=1
I had completely forgotten that Thranduil had a mention in that one, near the very end. (If you're not familiar with it, it's not really a fic, it's more of a send-up of some of the excesses of fandom.)
More Pretty!:
Thank you! "Thanks, son" is hilarious. But I can't help wondering how many times Legolas was playing out all those "geez, dad!" gifs I've seen. We know he wore at least one other crown (that crooked silver one that appears in a couple of behind the scenes vids), where are all the other variations? *waits*
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Apr 6 2014, 4:07am
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Ack! I meant "lose that drag race" - to Thranduil, of course.
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I resent the editing time limits on this board.
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Apr 6 2014, 6:56am
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It is a lovely portrait - all I can do is pencil, and not very good at that
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Ah... actually I generally avoid horror, due to childhood horror movie-PTSD which still gives me nightmares if I watch any visual-heavy horror now - great irony considering how dark I like stuff but ironies make up the story of my life. Psychological horror though, that's not too bad. And given the stakes, I'll chance the nightmares. That shower scene will no doubt provide the counterbalance. Anticipation! 
They are the two flicks I remember seeing Lee shirtless for at least one scene. :P Possession is a good film, if you like psychological horror or Sarah MIchelle Geller. It's one of my faves, 'cause I love both. 30 Beats, on the other hand, I'd call a bit of soft core porn. If you're not offended by that sort of thing, I think I remember a shower scene. (In fact, think that bit's on youtube. ;) )
My head aches from this but at the same time, I'm appreciating the role diversity of these dignified lords of manor and Wood. Agent Elrond takes the drag queen crown surely, but Thranduil the piemaker is the forever Sweetheart of Mirkwood! Elrond, you old devil. I'm afraid you'd loose that Drag Race.
And to terminate that train of thought before we achieve complete derailment:
 
(OT: them circlets are pretty for sure, but don't these fearless Elven leaders need to take better care of their precious noggins? Glamour over safety *TSK*)
I am a self-professed hamster when it comes to it, but my OCD is nowhere near as neat nor thorough as yours (erm... can I presume you also have Marmaduke?) But since I do have pride, I've done the ninny thing in place of living the hurt: I copped out and found a Twi-vid that just has every moment of Garrett and called it mission completed :P
The Fall and Pushing Daisies are flawless. Twilight I'm just not into, but I watched every. Last. Minute of it. I'll keep my copy of it, too. (I'm a completest and a pack rat, even when it hurts.)
Squee moment! Thanks for that, I've stashed it away now.
I also came across a link to a pdf file for it while I was googling around for the HoME chapter, if you wanted to look it over for yourself sometime: http://faculty.smu.edu/...T-LawsandCustoms.pdf (Wow. Apparently copy/paste achieves a hot link. XD ) (In case you didn't know: you can also make a hotlink by highlighting the text (doesn't have to be the URL) and then clicking on the chain icon at the farthest right of the menu bar to paste the url when you write a post. If you click on the square picture icon before it, you can paste the link for a pic or gif in the dialogue box that pops up and have Pretty! plastered on your post directly)
Well, yeah. My work-in-progress fic's out there. Had to rummage around, surprised it's still afloat, but here ya go. Its too verbose, awkward and pretty rough, especially the Mirkwood bit, now I look at it again.  someday I should have another go at it.
And I do remember that guide (that Thranduil bit is genius). Brings back some great memories. Thanks!Fanfic:
By the way, do you have a link to that fic of yours, or is it an unpublished work in progress? I started thinking about it and got all nostalgic. I went back to one of my old haunts to do a Thranduil search and an old favorite popped up. I wonder if it might be something you'd be familiar with, Legolas: The Owner's Guide: http://www.henneth-annun.net/stories/chapter_view.cfm?stid=2362&spordinal=1
I had completely forgotten that Thranduil had a mention in that one, near the very end. (If you're not familiar with it, it's not really a fic, it's more of a send-up of some of the excesses of fandom.)
Beauty and Beauty indeed!
I wished I had the opportunity to properly know LotR way before the movies. Tolkien was a name that pops up alot along with the usual patheon in the author acknowledgement pages. Oh well, the movie showed me where a lot of the inspiration/archetype in the books I loved originate, and when I finally read the books, it was a "Bloody hell, so it is really where it's at" moment, down to utter flabbergast by the languages. The only thing I did take comfort from was, after getting blown away by my first look at the trailer, I went out, bought the books and read them before I saw FotR. Of course, the end result was severe warpage of movie vs book canon.
Gimli was really unfairly treated in the movies. I find myself questioning if it is really necessary to cater to the perceived base denominator (but Tauriel answered that ). The Legolas treatment, though greatly thoughtful, advantage king's son, didn't help the cause, but at least they kept the frankensteining in check... I think.
Beauty and Beauty:
I was madly in love with the whole idea of "Legolas and Gimli" when LotR rolled out. I'd been a fan of the pair since reading the LotR books in high school. (Odd couples and buddies are still what keep me fannish.) But Legolas, aka Orlando Bloom, was the shiny one of the two, and it helped that they included "elf eyes" and some snow-walking. (Gimli still had John Rhys Davies going for him, as I'd been a fan of his for ages. For me, it did make up - a bit - for the movie's overall abuse of his character.)
So agree with your take on Thranduil - dark and dangerously beautiful, all shall love him and despair!
I read the Hobbit during the LotR movies, just to fulfil my completist streak and complete my education. But also in service of the ficcing. I do remember having the rare chance of holding it in my hands as a kid but it was too dense for me to finish back then - the faster-moving world of modern aka more kid/teen friendly fantasy and sci-fi held my short attention-span much better. For a children's book, it isn't easy to get through, simply because it does require work on the reader's part to participate and paint a world from the written word. I was impatient back then in the Stone Age, and I can imagine it being worse these days. With the pervasion of instant gratification, it's a lot to ask for anyone to invest, let alone kids used to the visual nature of vid games and online content. Which is sad because there is subtlety, layer and texture even in this "children"'s book.
Anyway, Thranduil interested me. With what we know of Elves and Elven rulers from the different sources, here was a seemingly petulant being with power. But he then goes on to become an important character with principles and does things that matter and impress. Stripping away the framework of it being a children's book, there seems to be more to the character and I was intrigued. I remember telling my sister about him when we were talking about Leggy, and we both agreed this is one dude difficult to bring to film and probably never would - for all the same reasons PJ and crew cited, that believable combination of portrayal and physicality, plus they didn't make it easy for themselves with movie Legolas being such a pretty one. Thranduil was difficult enough to flesh out for a fic (I was lucky to have help in my research and analysis from a Tolkienite and fellow elf-fancier (whom I've lost touch with since)), and save via animation, it seemed there's no way he could get a celluloid incarnation.
I am glad DoS changed your interest. I would be lonely, and tracing cobwebs by myself if you were not here as well.
Speaking of which, can't wait for more news!
But I really didn't have a favorite of any kind for The Hobbit. I read it as a child, so I had no fannish attachment to any part of it. I was happy with the first movie chapter simply because I thought Martin Freeman made for an excellent Bilbo. I barely acknowledged Thranduil (though I'm fairly sure all the "Elf on an Elk" gifs started up around that time - yeah, he is definitely a gif goldmine). Watching DoS changed my interest considerably. ;)
Thranduil is a darker character than most, and that - combined with good looks and smooth moves - always makes for more interesting scenes. Contrast brings out character. (iow: I agree with buzzfeed) I'd really like to see him interact with everyone else in the cast, in as many combinations as possible, but I'll be really happy just to get the expected (book) scenes with Thorin and Bilbo.
You're welcome!!! Spread the joy, reap the karma =)
Do you mean this crown? I wonder if it's a design they abandoned. In any case, the royal wardrobe would surely dazzle, with the thematic schemes for the seasons and all.
Re: Father-Son gag.
LOL. I guess we can all see the "geez dad" gifs coming a mile away when Legolas-in-Mirkwood was announced. I don't know why, but the inner nerd is rather hoping there's recorded evidence of a real Luke-I-am-your-Father moment somewhere out.
More Pretty!:
Thank you! "Thanks, son" is hilarious. But I can't help wondering how many times Legolas was playing out all those "geez, dad!" gifs I've seen. We know he wore at least one other crown (that crooked silver one that appears in a couple of behind the scenes vids), where are all the other variations? *waits*
Oh... did you take part in the March Madness contest? I am highly entertained by the feud among the different factions. Can't understand the virulent anti-pretty Elf seguing into anti-Thranduil sentiment though - seems like purists (and males?) are against movie elven beauty, even though the elvish aesthetic is canon.
How would this work better ...
... compared to this?
It seems like settling to me, just for the vocal ones who happen to not like pleasing aesthetics.
Here's a better look at that uber-cool sword-sheathing move, just cos. And yeah, Thranduil is as deserving of a win as any other character!
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Ossiriand
Apr 7 2014, 1:26am
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The Drag Race:
That tumblr link is precious. (And I was confusing To Wong Fu with Priscilla Queen of the Desert - it has been a while since I've seen either of them.) Lee really does look stunning in those gifs.
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I did not know that, thanks! I'm afraid this is going to be a very drawn out learning curve for me. I do definitely need all the help I can get.
And thanks for the link to your fic. It's now on my To Read list. (What little I've written has never been published, and never will be. I have no doubt your talent leaves mine in the dust, your artistic talent certainly does. :) )
Books to Movies:
Pretty much all the characters suffer in Jackson's movies, if you're hoping to see an exact duplication of what's in the books. I guess - maybe because of the Rankin/Bass cartoons - I'm just thrilled when the look and characterization is In The Ballpark. (Though I was still very unhappy, especially initially, with some of the differences in Gimli and Legolas. They were my faves! I wanted to see them just as they were! *sigh* Eventually, I got over it. Having made those allowances, the rest doesn't seem so bad.) But, yeah, Tolkien is a tough act to follow. I don't think anybody lives and breathes their fantasy word the way he did. And depending on what each fan is concerned with, anyone trying to adapt it to a new medium is doomed to fail to some extent.
And Thranduil is kind of unique in the "book to movie" dilemma: he has such a huge part to play in the overall story (because: The Hobbit and Legolas), but there's next to nothing terribly specific written down about him outside of The Hobbit. Anything NEW Jackson gives us in the last movie might come to definite him, and I kinda want him to go all out. (I just don't know exactly what - new - I'd like to see. I'll know it if I see it. :p )
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I don't think that's the same collar we've seen for his other outfits, either. Maybe we'll see this whole getup in TaBA?
March Madness?:
I... haven't been paying a bit of attention. (For some reason I thought it was a fic contest. I probably combined two post titles while skimming.) I have looked at it now. And...Oh NO! It's Thranduil vs. Legolas! D: I'm so conflicted...
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Doriath
Apr 7 2014, 5:16am
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The time is upon us, we all must choose what side we’re on
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What say you?
My choice, albeit a slightly conflicted one, is clear 
March Madness?:
I... haven't been paying a bit of attention. (For some reason I thought it was a fic contest. I probably combined two post titles while skimming.) I have looked at it now. And...Oh NO! It's Thranduil vs. Legolas! D: I'm so conflicted...
I like the companion pieces to the 4 semi-finalists. At least the 4 reasons for why Thranduil is smarter than your average Elf was an objective, if brief look. The extrapolation that it is not war itself that gives Thranduil the chills but the idea of Sauron's resulting dominion if he won was a nice observation. Nicely rounds out his thoughts on strategies and military policies, because if it was really just war that Thranduil can't take, I think he would have sent a ninja squad, not led a military expedition to the mountain. And of course, the fact that the Woodland Realm was right on the doorstep of evil, as it were, with no Ring of Power wielder, is another point to the Elvenking. Plus he must be all right to raise a kid who could go on to be a member of the fellowship. Thranduil just doesn't get the breaks he deserve.
The Drag Race:
Priscilla Queen of the Desert... I have not watched it yet, but I can see how it's going to mess up my view of the agent when i rewatch
The Matrix (I already have trouble with Agent Elrond)
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You are very welcome. Those are the standard stuff for posting, I think. Once you get the hang, look out, world!
Erm... there may be some misunderstanding here. In the interest of full-disclosure, I only paste the Pretty! here, none's my labour.
your artistic talent certainly does
Books to Movies:
Adaptations are tricky - it's a balancing act between keeping the fans of the source happy while presenting to non-fans something that they would enjoy without the prerequisite to be among the "educated". Realistically, they will always present things at variance to the source. Its really vital, the getting-over-it part, especially for the purist who still risked health to watch the movies. 
Incidentally I was just watching the Hobbit Live Event from before the DOS premiere last year and PJ mentioned that when reading the book, the author's voice shapes our vision, but with movies, the characters onscreen have that job and consequently the differences between the story we are familiar with versus what gets translated onscreen. I get it. I've had my fair share of favourite book adaptations - there is none where MY vision is intact. There will never an adaptation that gives me a page by page faithful rendition that will still make sense and make sense/money outside the fandom, for obvious reasons. We'll nitpick and rend every last frame if we put our minds to it. We can also take it in stride and judge it on its own merits, hopefully informed by the source if we're fans, or just its existential merit as a film otherwise. But as you said, Tolkien is one tough act to follow. Its strange, I was/am not a dyed-in-the-wool Tolkienite by any reckoning. For goodness' sake, I've only been in this playground for as long as the LotR films are in existence, but I get riled up by some of the PJ decisions/non-decisions that seem to just cast ME logic in the source's face. And yet, I can take with a better frame of mind, willy nilly sometimes but still... some of the creative choices that changed other of my favourite book adaptations.
I think that's part of the allure of the Thranduil enigma, for those willing to look beyond the printed word. His impact on the story is so direct, and yet his story is so vague. For good or bad, I do believe Thranduil will be defined by the trilogy going forward (doesn't help that despite the copious clutter of pictures, GIFs and manipulations, Thranduil doesn't appear to have a single fame where he's caught in a bad angle, even in the behind the scene stuff). I really like that Lee seemed to have a good handle on it (that stuff about the Fisher King and Oberon was really cool), and it seems like PJ and crew are supportive of his endeavour as well. I'll bring the floral tea if you'll bring the cookies while we wait. 
And Thranduil is kind of unique in the "book to movie" dilemma: he has such a huge part to play in the overall story (because: The Hobbit and Legolas), but there's next to nothing terribly specific written down about him outside of The Hobbit. Anything NEW Jackson gives us in the last movie might come to definite him, and I kinda want him to go all out. (I just don't know exactly what - new - I'd like to see. I'll know it if I see it. :p )
Can't quite tell, but I think that looks like the collar of the Thorin faceoff costume? The character designers and costume dept must have had a fieldday or three dreaming up stuff for such an exquisite clotheshorse
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I don't think that's the same collar we've seen for his other outfits, either. Maybe we'll see this whole getup in TaBA?
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Apr 7 2014, 11:43pm
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Thranduil had twice as many votes as Legolas - I don't feel bad for giving mine away.
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As long as my thralldom isn't revoked for it. :P
(Why can I not put a quote before my answer to it? Ah well, I'll just do it the old fashioned way.)
"And of course, the fact that the Woodland Realm was right on the doorstep of evil, as it were, with no Ring of Power wielder, is another point to the Elvenking. Plus he must be all right to raise a kid who could go on to be a member of the fellowship. Thranduil just doesn't get the breaks he deserve."
I've seen that point made a few times since DoS came out. He may want all the jewels, but he obviously doesn't need them to get the job done. And, yeah, he doesn't get much credit for it.
I expect we'll get a more significant Father-Son dynamic in TaBA (to resolve the Tauriel problem) that should do more to bring them together than push them apart. (Care to bet on it?)
"I only paste the Pretty!"
I admit, I rush through too many posts when I'm online. *hangs head* I miss - or misinterpret - some big points, far too often. I plan to take my time looking through that "Customs of the Eldar" HoME chapter because of it. I'm afraid I may actually find the opposite of what I've assumed all these years. D: (But I stand by my statement about your talent. It's important to pay attention in any artistic venture. And you are doing that much better than I am. :) )
Re: books to movies
Jackson has done some crazy stuff in every one of his (Tolkien) movies. As long as he continues to do just enough, just right for me, I'll keep lovin' 'em. :D (And I'll be sure to bring Cider and Chocolate for the wait on the next one, as well)
It probably is that same collar. :-/ (Still hoping for more of a Thranduil Fashion Show from the EE, though!)
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Lurker in the Mirk
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Apr 8 2014, 4:19am
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The deed is done and closed! Actually, I am rather surprised Father trounced Son thoroughly. I thought it'd be a much much closer result given the longer screentime of in-your-face Legolas the ninja in a romance triangle, and his in-built fanbase. (Perhaps there are more wanton turncoats among my fellow plebian cohorts than I thought. Either that or its a protest vote by the Legolas Lasses)
Wasn't there a remark by someone in this very thread about the previous generation exuding more charm than the younger lot? Score!
Oh, simple. Highlight the text you wanna put in quotes, and click on the double quotation icon in the menu bar... its number 6 for me. Just be careful with editing, especially when using the backspace or delete button in the vincinity as it can do weird things to your quoties, unless you relish using the basic editor and doing html tag edit/troubleshooting or abandoning draft. I threw out a few after it totally pulled them into Shadow and warped my OCD with proper formatting and notation. It is a neat tool and while no orc-blade, do not doubt it is a weapon with true morgul pedigree.
(Actually its a just a matter of practice, and getting the hang of its quirks. )
(Why can I not put a quote before my answer to it? Ah well, I'll just do it the old fashioned way.)
I think he hoards jools not so much for themselves, except maybe his thing for those white gems, but for the economic value of backing the worth of Elven valuables in the trade Mirkwood does with the outside world.
I've seen that point made a few times since DoS came out. He may want all the jewels, but he obviously doesn't need them to get the job done.
I would not bet against that! Simply because I demand it!
And I expect them to be spouting Elvish at each other
I expect we'll get a more significant Father-Son dynamic in TaBA (to resolve the Tauriel problem) that should do more to bring them together than push them apart. (Care to bet on it?)
Curious to know what you find
I plan to take my time looking through that "Customs of the Eldar" HoME chapter because of it. I'm afraid I may actually find the opposite of what I've assumed all these years.
Agreed. I need to find a way to develop it properly though
It's important to pay attention in any artistic venture
Yeah. And whatever the contention, he does have a knack for Elf-casting, even if it's just the physicality. Would be interesting if he does the Silm. Would Grandfather give the ringers another March Madness fit if he leaps onscreen and trounce the competition?
Chocolate sounds divine!
Jackson has done some crazy stuff in every one of his (Tolkien) movies. As long as he continues to do just enough, just right for me, I'll keep lovin' 'em. :D (And I'll be sure to bring Cider and Chocolate for the wait on the next one, as well)
I hope the EE come sooner... isn't it now rumoured to be a year-end release?
Still hoping for more of a Thranduil Fashion Show from the EE, though!
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Thranduil Appreciation thread II
Thranduil Appreciation thread
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Apr 9 2014, 4:28pm
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Now we know who really is the prettiest!
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Dor-Lomin
Apr 9 2014, 10:01pm
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Whoa! I didn't realize this thread was still active!
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I was searching the posts for something else Thranduil related and saw that there were new posts here. Lots of new posts apparently! Now I have to figure out how many pages back it is so I can find it again and resume drooling. Wow!
For the record, I voted for Thranduil and in the comments section wrote a note to Leggy apologizing for being so fickle, but y'know, his dad is just so much more fabulous than him and I had to make a decision. I didn't expect Leggy to actually reply, but lo and behold, "he" did! Lol! Have I ever said how much I love this fandom? Because I do love it!
"So I will call upon Your name
And keep my eyes above the waves
When oceans rise
My soul will rest in Your embrace
For I am Yours and You are mine"
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Apr 9 2014, 10:41pm
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"So I will call upon Your name
And keep my eyes above the waves
When oceans rise
My soul will rest in Your embrace
For I am Yours and You are mine"
--Hillsong United
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Apr 9 2014, 11:50pm
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"Wasn't there a remark by someone in this very thread about the previous generation exuding more charm than the younger lot? Score!"
Yup. I'm not really surprised that Thranduil routed Legolas. He's the Shiny New Elf with a much more interesting attitude.
"Oh, simple. Highlight the text you wanna put in quotes [..]"
Well, I made an honest effort. (No, really.) I had everything arranged the way I wanted it, hit 'preview post,' and - it rearranged my post to place a quote first. >:( The harder I fought after that, trying to reassemble my original order for the quotes and replies, the more useless Quote lines I accumulated. >:(
I finally quit, got off the internet and put my shiny new DoS blu-ray to de-stress. *bliss*
"And I expect them to be spouting Elvish at each other"
We really haven't heard much of Thranduil's Elvish, have we? Seconded! (Legolas would be the best candidate for that, since he doesn't seem inclined to speak it at Tauriel. Unless they're just not bothering with putting it on the actors when the characters should be able to understand each other. But then why have Legolas the the guard speak it?)
"Yeah. And whatever the contention, he does have a knack for Elf-casting, even if it's just the physicality. Would be interesting if he does the Silm. Would Grandfather give the ringers another March Madness fit if he leaps onscreen and trounce the competition?"
Where would they possibly find someone prettier than Lee Pace? :-O (But I'm not going to bet against it. ;) )
And that picture is gorgeous! (And I'm very sorry to hear that the board rearranges your posts too. It's still trying to do me in. *points at random quote lines top and bottom*
"I dissent, even at the risk of being held incorrect or not sober."
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Apr 10 2014, 2:46am
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*raises hand* Sorry... I guess the tailspin was cos I jumped last week, in after everyone's left the party
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but I'm glad to see more activity for sure
LOL how cool is that. Do you remember what he said? Hope he wasn't sore about losing out to Adar.
For the record, I voted for Thranduil and in the comments section wrote a note to Leggy apologizing for being so fickle, but y'know, his dad is just so much more fabulous than him and I had to make a decision. I didn't expect Leggy to actually reply, but lo and behold, "he" did! Lol! Have I ever said how much I love this fandom? Because I do love it!
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Thranduil Appreciation thread II
Thranduil Appreciation thread
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Lurker in the Mirk
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Apr 10 2014, 3:32am
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The posting tools are really more a hinderance than an aid sometimes... and I eat my words about it being practice
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cos it's truly not just a matter of practice. But since i am pigheaded about it, I refuse be cowed by artefacts from the morgul vale.
Am sorry for the grief it caused you though.
A good dose of DOS Thranduil will set anything right! I'm holding out for the EE though. The wait is killing me.
Well, I made an honest effort. (No, really.) I had everything arranged the way I wanted it, hit 'preview post,' and - it rearranged my post to place a quote first. >:( The harder I fought after that, trying to reassemble my original order for the quotes and replies, the more useless Quote lines I accumulated. >:(
I finally quit, got off the internet and put my shiny new DoS blu-ray to de-stress. *bliss*
And Legolas and Tauriel had a real good go at it in the dungeons too. I want to see a lengthy talk like that between the two of them.
I wonder if its cos Lee had problems with it? (ooooh blooper reel!!! ) Or is it difficult to patch together a plausible dialogue concerning weighty matters of the state just cos it's Thranduil? But he can't always be the Elvenking to his kid, there's got to be times he's just got his dad-crown on with Legolas.
We really haven't heard much of Thranduil's Elvish, have we? Seconded! (Legolas would be the best candidate for that, since he doesn't seem inclined to speak it at Tauriel. Unless they're just not bothering with putting it on the actors when the characters should be able to understand each other. But then why have Legolas the the guard speak it?)
It's not just the face though... they'll have to get someone who rocks long blond locks (unless Thranduil got that fabulous mop from his mum.. or maybe through recessive genes). You'll need height as well, just to carry those long locks off. Besides it just adds such imposing kingly command
I can't ever go back to short Elves now
.... wait, wait! I mean not the Silm ones!
Where would they possibly find someone prettier than Lee Pace? :-O (But I'm not going to bet against it. ;) )
oooh yeah
Yup. I'm not really surprised that Thranduil routed Legolas. He's the Shiny New Elf with a much more interesting attitude.
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Dor-Lomin
Apr 10 2014, 2:45pm
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There are some super talented artists out there, but when I'm looking through sites like DeviantArt or whatever to find them I'd really prefer to not see a lot of that *ahem* in the process. It would be nice if they'd make an option for the search engine where you can filter that sort of stuff out if you don't want it in your results.
"So I will call upon Your name
And keep my eyes above the waves
When oceans rise
My soul will rest in Your embrace
For I am Yours and You are mine"
--Hillsong United
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Apr 10 2014, 3:15pm
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We really haven't heard much of Thranduil's Elvish, have we? Seconded! (Legolas would be the best candidate for that, since he doesn't seem inclined to speak it at Tauriel. Unless they're just not bothering with putting it on the actors when the characters should be able to understand each other. But then why have Legolas the the guard speak it?)
I don't think we heard Thranduil speaking *any* elvish, did we? But I agree, I'd like to hear him speak it with that gorgeous voice of his! I'm thinking we might get at least one elvish scene out of him in the DOS EE and if we do I think it will be when Legolas reports to him that Tauriel is gone. The reason being this one tiny little clip in the B-roll footage here at 4:18. Of course there's no sound and I'm not exactly a professional lip-reader, but if you watch closely, they way their mouths move doesn't look like English to me. And I remember from the movie that when Legolas finds out Tauriel left, he's wearing his armor. Then, next time we see him when he finds her, he's in his green outfit from LOTR. It's like we're supposed to think he left home immediately, but then when did he change clothes, get the bow, quiver and sword, and how does he know the king is angry? In the B-roll clip, he's clearly still in Mirkwood but he's wearing the green clothes and is armed appropriately, so I think that's got to be the transitional scene we're missing. (btw: Thranduil looks pretty angry in that clip IMO.)
"So I will call upon Your name
And keep my eyes above the waves
When oceans rise
My soul will rest in Your embrace
For I am Yours and You are mine"
--Hillsong United
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Ooohhh...Pretty picture!//
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