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Arannir
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Nov 14 2013, 12:52am
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Good read :)
Of course all of this will not turn around those who think the additions and alterations were a mistake to begin with, regardless of the reason.
But as someone very much open to embellishment, I simply feel Tolkien's spirit flow through this filmmaking process we have here.
Interested in the "moment that could have changed everything" and which is "close to disaster" regarding the DG storyline.
Oh well, I do a poor job in not reading too much before seeing the movie so far...
“All good stories deserve embellishment."
Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.
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tsmith675
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Nov 14 2013, 12:54am
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But I wonder whose idea it was to have Bilbo's head covering the bottom of the F in SFX, making it look like a completely different word.
"Seriously, why was the scene with CGI dwarf ass NOT in the theatrical cut?!"
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Avandel
Gondolin
Nov 14 2013, 1:01am
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I blew it already re reading stuff
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with the DOS Storybook, assuming it's accurate.......was VERY surprised at the details. But I've managed to stay away from the worst of it, including the 20 minutes of footage. And I can't resist looking for, or at, image stills - I'm weak that way.
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There&ThereAgain
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Nov 14 2013, 1:10am
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that made me chortle very loudly. 
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien
"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas
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Hanzkaz
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Nov 14 2013, 2:32am
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- where they mention that these films are the only chance to tell the story of Dol Guldur and Mirkwood. That's why I'm pleased they took this particular approach.
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From the makers of 'The Lord of the Rings' comes the sequel to Peter Jackson's Hobbit Trilogy -
'The War in the North, Part I : The Sword in the Tomb'.
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AinurOlorin
Gondolin
Nov 14 2013, 4:05am
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That remains to be seen. I was looking forward to it, but some of the things I have heard suggest
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they might take so many liberties with it that it might have stayed better unfilmed. I hope that doesn't end up being the case. I hope they do it and all in it the justice the appendecies and related sources lay the foundations for.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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NoelGallagher
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Nov 14 2013, 10:29am
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Which location they could be beneath the picture where Bilbo is above the trees of Mirkwood seeing the Butterflies ?! Any ideas ?
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Glorfindela
Doriath
Nov 14 2013, 11:28am
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However, from now on I'm not watching any more footage – stills don't bother me so much. As far as I'm concerned, they can show as much as they want of Turiel and Legolas especially, because I don't care for them, as long as all the characters I do care for are not spoilered.
with the DOS Storybook, assuming it's accurate.......was VERY surprised at the details. But I've managed to stay away from the worst of it, including the 20 minutes of footage. And I can't resist looking for, or at, image stills - I'm weak that way.
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Avandel
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Nov 14 2013, 1:52pm
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Yes, no more footage for me, hate the idea after waiting so long I would have seen so much - but "chopped up". No, I want to savor every second - w. all scenes in order (w. no cell phones, people talking etc.). Tho for me as well they
can show as much of T & L as they want, because they're not the ones I am seeing these movies for (so it all works out nicely - hope.) BTW was very pleased the Visual Companion - in spite of the cover - was really nicely balanced
IMO re content and pictures, w/o spoilers.
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Eruonen
Gondolin
Nov 14 2013, 3:08pm
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Very nice article, but if I hear one more time that Galadriel is the most
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powerful being in Middle Earth I am going to .......continue to be very annoyed. It seems that is a deliberate re-write of the characters that was unnecessary.
Yes, she is very powerful but not the MOST powerful:
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Galadriel
"Galadriel wielded an incredible amount of magical power. Some said she was among the greatest of the Noldor, along with Fëanor. She was a friend of Melian the Maia and it is possible that Melian taught Galadriel many things during the First Age. The nature of her magic is not well understood. Certainly much of Galadriel's power stemmed from two great artifacts she controlled, Nenya, one of the great Rings of Power, and the Mirror of Galadriel. In some tales, Galadriel is depicted with the power to communicate over vast distances and to predict the future. Her mirror could reveal events from the past, present and future. Her power was key to the destruction of Dol Guldur, a fortress whose power was multiplied by Sauron's magic."
This is a great image:
http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/...driel_Dol_Guldur.jpg
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Eruvandi
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Nov 14 2013, 4:32pm
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I have no self control when it comes to spoilers
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but I'll admit, even though I've read lots of stuff, even about the 20 minutes of footage that I don't feel too spoiler-ed yet. I won't go into detail but the 20 minutes didn't spoil me, for one thing because I didn't actually SEE it, but also, it was mostly stuff I had already suspected was happening. Really, it's the actual footage that spoils me, not so much written things or even pictures, unless of course a major plot point is given away. I'm going to have to physically restrain myself from spoilers after the movie comes out though because I'm still not sure when I'll be able to see it and I don't want the whole movie spelled out to me until I've seen it myself....This is going to be tough.
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Arannir
Doriath
Nov 14 2013, 5:36pm
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... of this paragraphs does it say that she is the most powerful being?
“All good stories deserve embellishment."
Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.
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Eruonen
Gondolin
Nov 14 2013, 5:56pm
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In addition, it goes back to the White Council scene
which inferred Gandalf was under Galadriel - however - they then cut to Saruman who clearly is Gandalf's superior.
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arithmancer
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Nov 14 2013, 6:02pm
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The comment is made by Lee Pace, in the little beige colored blurb of him talking about his character Thranduil. (She's the most powerful being, he is a renowned warrior, paraphrase of a sort of compare/contrast of these two Elf rulers that he makes).
Personally I think far too much has been made of this issue generally (regardless of who says it). What if someone said, instead, that Galadriel is the most powerful individual among all the Children of Eru then dwelling in Middle Earth? Seems a far less controversial statement but also one that only a true Tolkien geek could make and/or understand. We'd be excluding any Maiar and dragons by such a locution, so no argument about Sauron, the Balrog, Smaug, Stone Giant, or any Istari being more powerful would apply...but in my opinion this would be a ridiculous way to phrase a comment to a journalist, whether one is like Philippa Boyens very well versed in the lore and so likly capable of such precision, or like Lee Pace, likely more casually aquainted.
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Eruonen
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Nov 14 2013, 6:21pm
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She is the most powerful of the Noldor in Middle Earth.
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It is an issue when the fundamental roles and attributes are muddled without reason.
The movie goer who is unfamiliar with the books won't care. Many of us who are familiar have a desire to see more accuracy.
Yes, Lee may have mispoke or may not clearly understand the characters of the books and reflects the film writers deviation.
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Avandel
Gondolin
Nov 14 2013, 6:31pm
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Another reason to stay away from critical reviews - a lot of them blab too much plot during a review, (tho OK if I don't care that much). Ironically the closer DOS gets,
the more I have to avoid the online community - at least for my first viewing. Am sure there will be comments from the premiers and people who see the movie before
the U.S., so guess by December 7 or so I'll be avoiding lots of websites - maybe even TORN just because of the titles and headings people use (that's not a complaint,
TORN has excellent mods. I just want to go into the movie "fresh" - well, at the "spoiled" level I am right now, which is right where I want to be.)
But for me it's going to be a monumental effort not to cheat more - tho any images are fair game.
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HiddenSpring
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Nov 14 2013, 7:05pm
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Even Thranduil thinks Galadriel is the boss
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Can't be a coincidence.... 
Can't wait to see what she does in Dol Guldur.
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Eruonen
Gondolin
Nov 14 2013, 7:25pm
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Right, of the Noldor. Though he operates rather indpendently
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within his realm without bowing down to anyone. In fact, he is the only elven King. Galadriel and Celeborn did not accept titles as they see themselves as guardians of Lothlorien. There is even a strain of resentment between the two. His father Oropher refused to submit to Gil Galad's leadership and had some presumed resentment toward Galadriel and Celeborn. He withdrew into Greenwood / Mirkwood as a result.
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