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starmaid
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Dec 18 2007, 7:49pm
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That's my concern. I know Sam Raimi wants to direct--and I'm not a fan of his. I want it to be PJ all the way
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 18 2007, 7:52pm
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Lots of people don't like the LotR movies.
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Of course, lots more people do like them. But the largest group has no opinion whatsoever, never having seen them.
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Ecthel
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Dec 18 2007, 7:53pm
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how can anyone not like the Lord of the Rings movies? Their amazing! In my opinion, the best movies of all time, for ever! what about them don't you like?
Not one scene holds up to the book?
Characters like Aragorn, Frodo, Gimli, Faramir, Legolas, Theoden and Denethor aren't even close to the characters of the books?
Insulting ideas like Elves making it to Helms Deep, Arwen dying, Elrond journeying to Dunhurrow, Aragorn hating Men, Faramir taking Frodo to Osgiliath...just to name a few.
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vtboyarc
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Dec 18 2007, 7:56pm
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you have to look past that, and be happy for how good the movies are, and thankful for how bad they good have been but weren't.
I really hope that Alan Lee is involved, as well as Howard Shore, and Weta Workshop and Digital.
Theres some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and its worth fighting for.
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 18 2007, 7:58pm
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What do you feel are Raimi's best and worst films?
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Your choices, according to IMDb:
It's Murder! (1977)
Within the Woods (1978)
Clockwork (1978)
The Evil Dead (1981)
Crimewave (1985)
Evil Dead II (1987)
Darkman (1990)
Army of Darkness (1992)
The Quick and the Dead (1995)
A Simple Plan (1998)
For Love of the Game (1999)
The Gift (2000)
Spider-Man (2002)
Spider-Man 2 (2004)
Spider-Man 3 (2007) Which shows the most promise for The Hobbit? The least?
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Ecthel
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Dec 18 2007, 8:00pm
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you have to look past that, and be happy for how good the movies are, and thankful for how bad they good have been but weren't.
I really hope that Alan Lee is involved, as well as Howard Shore, and Weta Workshop and Digital.
but thats impossible to do. Because all that stuff I dislike is so major you can't look past it. I also don't like the idea of settling for what we got because it could have been worse.
Yes it could have been worse, just look at anadaptation of LOTR by John Boormanhttp://www.rottentomatoes.com/...wthread.php?t=497686
But so many of the changes were so unessacary, it was just PJ and crew changing stuff because they think they could improve Tolkiens works, which is insulting.
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L. Ron Halfelven
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Dec 18 2007, 8:03pm
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I'll have to check the archives, I guess.
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I never had the impression that the legal issues were that clear-cut.
I don't want to go to work today,
But the master of the whip says nay, nay, nay.
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Ecthel
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Dec 18 2007, 8:04pm
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Your choices, according to IMDb: It's Murder! (1977)
Within the Woods (1978)
Clockwork (1978)
The Evil Dead (1981)
Crimewave (1985)
Evil Dead II (1987)
Darkman (1990)
Army of Darkness (1992)
The Quick and the Dead (1995)
A Simple Plan (1998)
For Love of the Game (1999)
The Gift (2000)
Spider-Man (2002)
Spider-Man 2 (2004)
Spider-Man 3 (2007) Which shows the most promise for The Hobbit? The least?
He also was involved with 30 Days of Night. To me that shows the most promise. The Spider-Man trilogy and Army of Darkness shows the least promise.
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Ioreth
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Dec 18 2007, 8:08pm
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 *happy dance*
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elentari3018
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Dec 18 2007, 8:10pm
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"By Elbereth and Luthien the fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!" ~Frodo
"And then Gandalf arose and bid all men rise, and they rose, and he said: 'Here is a last hail ere the feast endeth. Last but not least. For I name now those who shall not be forgotten and without whose valour nought else that was done would have availed; and I name before you all Frodo of the Shire and Samwise his servant. And the bards and the minstrels should give them new names: Bronwe athan Harthad and Harthad Uluithiad , Endurance beyond Hope and Hope Unquenchable.." ~Gandalf, The End of the Third Age , from The History of Middle Earth series
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elentari3018
Nargothrond
Dec 18 2007, 8:11pm
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Hopefully producing means that he also gets to direct?
omg i am SOOOO excited that i'm hardly coherent. :D
"By Elbereth and Luthien the fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!" ~Frodo
"And then Gandalf arose and bid all men rise, and they rose, and he said: 'Here is a last hail ere the feast endeth. Last but not least. For I name now those who shall not be forgotten and without whose valour nought else that was done would have availed; and I name before you all Frodo of the Shire and Samwise his servant. And the bards and the minstrels should give them new names: Bronwe athan Harthad and Harthad Uluithiad , Endurance beyond Hope and Hope Unquenchable.." ~Gandalf, The End of the Third Age , from The History of Middle Earth series
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Diezmann
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Dec 18 2007, 8:18pm
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the HOBBIT without Peter Jackson -- how this is possible?
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 I was shocked. Why not PJ & Co to direct? This is pure madness any other director to helm it. I will cry if it will be so  .
Only PJ must do this! No other!
PLEASE, we want PJ to direct the HOBBIT!
We must pray to see PJ's Hobbit.
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grammaboodawg
Elvenhome
Dec 18 2007, 8:19pm
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fan of the books for over 36 years, I agree that a lot of liberty was taken in adapting the book to film; but this is Jackson's telling of the story and not meant to BE the book.
I respect your opinion of this as a lover of Tolkien and his works more than I can express... but I do regret that you can find no joy in this adaptation. I'm not at all meaning to be condescending... sincerely! I see these films as part of the evolution of Tolkien's works; and so many people have been brought to the purity of the reading who would never have known about them otherwise. I think the Professor would be happy about that.
 
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!
"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."
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WhiteLadyEowyn
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Dec 18 2007, 8:24pm
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Daniel, the wonderful Frodo you met at both DragonCon and at the Indy moot, would never have read the books if not for the movies. He had no interest in even the movies until, as he says, he was "dragged kicking and screaming" to see FOTR by one of his best friends.
He started reading the books after that, and he believes that they ( literally ) saved his life.
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grammaboodawg
Elvenhome
Dec 18 2007, 8:26pm
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to see what he's got stashed away and itching to bring out! *rubs hands together* And while seeing Lidless' name pop up *waives HOWDY to the Eye!* I can't think that Peter would agree to anything to do with this and NOT have his feet firmly planted and hands deeply dug into this project. Jackson doesn't do anything without a plan ;)
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!
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grammaboodawg
Elvenhome
Dec 18 2007, 8:29pm
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And I've heard many others say the same thing. I believe those films brought that story to life at a time when it was needed. Just after 911 and during a social time where so many feel powerless and overwhelmed by the world/life demands. The Lord of the Rings is pure escapism to a world that feels so familiar and honest.
I'm so glad Fro-dan's friend ignores kicking and screaming ;)
hugs!
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Diezmann
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Dec 18 2007, 8:32pm
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the HOBBIT without Peter Jackson -- how this is possible?
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Please, tell me, is any chance still PJ to direct the HOBBIT?
Ich stehe hier und kann nicht anders
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deej
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Dec 18 2007, 8:33pm
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This is the best Christmas present I could have gotten!!!
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Wow - I spend all day working and look what I missed!
Sincerely, deej - The Artist Formerly Known as djdeathskiss
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Silverlode
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Dec 18 2007, 8:34pm
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an interesting assumption - that the changes were made because the writers thought they were "better". I think it's unfounded. From what I've heard said by all three, that was far from being the case.
The LOTR scripts went through a long and complicated process of being shopped around as a two-movie deal which they couldn't get anyone to consider. Some studios offered them a deal if they'd cut it to one, which they refused, and then once New Line gave them a green light for three movies they had to re-expand and there was no time for a complete rewrite.
The script was, in fact, in perpetual rewrite through the whole filming process. In an ideal world, they would have had all the time in the world to sit down and write the script to perfection before shooting, but no movie is actually made in such a situation. They've said many times that the rewrites kept getting closer to the book, and the closer they got, the better it worked. I just don't see the attitude you're assuming there at all.
While I sympathize with those who were disappointed in the results, and agree that these movies are far from perfect, they are also light years better than they so easily could have been. And I say that as someone who has been here since 1999 and read every set report, news story and rumor about the production as it happened. You don't have to rejoice about this news, but you might want to send up a little prayer of thanks that you didn't have to suffer through Tom Cruise as Aragorn, or Xenarwen. It really could have been sooooo much worse!
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"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you." -On Fairy Stories
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DunedainRonin
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Dec 18 2007, 8:41pm
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I had read the LOTR trilogy in the past, but thought of it more as a homework assignment than anything else. The same with Beowulf. It took the movies for me to appreciate how great of a visual feast it is..
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Silverlode
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Dec 18 2007, 8:42pm
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it's just a foregone conclusion. They have to know that there will be a massive outcry if they don't.
Silverlode
"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you." -On Fairy Stories
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very happy!
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