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a.s.
Doriath
Dec 6 2007, 3:08am
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If you'd like to hear Tolkien's voice, try this:
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wondering if this is what it was like listening to Tolkien back in the day!
There's a link at this web site: http://www.daisy.freeserve.co.uk/index.htm to a radio interview Tolkien did in the 70's. Both the actual sound file of the interview and a transcript are available from a link there. And I think most of us will need the transcript at least a couple of times during this interview, as he is very hard to understand occasionally!
But it is just wonderfully fascinating to hear him "lecture" the interviewer, and get a very small taste of what it must have been like to have heard him in class.
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Forgiveness means giving up all hope of a better past.
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N.E. Brigand
Gondolin
Dec 6 2007, 5:15am
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is very helpful, but also slightly inaccurate in places.
Thanks for the link, a.s.!
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Doriath
Dec 6 2007, 12:24pm
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I mean, it's good to know he looks like Tom B! Ya, that's what I mean!
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Dec 6 2007, 4:01pm
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of Himself reading his poems. I wonder if it's still available somewhere. His little chuckle at the end of "The Mewlips" is delightful!
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a.s.
Doriath
Dec 6 2007, 4:28pm
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I have a copy of the Tolkien Audio Collection. It's the collection of Tolkien's voice reading parts of LOTR and some poems, and also Christopher reading from the Sil.
It's great. I love that chuckle! I also like his voice of Gollum and Sam especially.
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Forgiveness means giving up all hope of a better past.
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Doriath
Dec 6 2007, 4:34pm
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Well, I mean, of course I know you CAN be more specific (because I know your abilities!!) but would you be more specific? Does the transcript vary in any substantial way from the recordings--something that changes the meaning of what Tolkien said, for instance--or just a word or two that the transcriber obviously guessed at?
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N.E. Brigand
Gondolin
Dec 6 2007, 5:26pm
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I noticed many small differences of phrasing, but nothing that makes a difference. There were also a few moments where Tolkien said something neither the transcriber nor I could make out. And I would stress that I loved having that transcription in front of me as I listened along, and would have missed a lot without it.
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Penthe
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Dec 7 2007, 1:32am
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It was on the two dollar table at work in the early 1990s, and no one bought it, so the boss was about to throw it out. I snaffled it as soon as I saw it. I would have happily paid the two dollars if I'd known it was there earlier.
But I haven't heard it for years - no record player. It's good to know it's available on CD.
I quite like cheese, you know.
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Kethry
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Dec 7 2007, 5:31pm
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Charms and understanding the land
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1) Comments on this interpretation? Do you agree that "the image asserts Goldberry as a queen or local deity"
I really like that phrase, “local deity”. It seems to fit Goldberry very well. And it also emphasizes the fact that her power is limited, only to the area she chooses to govern. There is power in the land, and she knows and understands it. When you know and understand the power, then you can use that power to the fullest of its potential.
This concept then got me thinking about the Elven Rings. That their understanding of their Rings gave them a better ability to use it. That Galadriel was able to defend her land and maintain it not only because of her understanding of her ring and her land, but how that ring could help her with the land. I had managed to go off quite a tangent in my notes, this is only the basic of the thought. But I didn’t want to go too far off the subject.
3) When she closes the door, turns her back, and spreads her arms across it, is she just being dramatic? Or is she casting a spell of some kind?
Not so much a spell as maybe casting a charm like a protective circle. Though I suppose you can consider that a spell. But if they have wards around the house to keep the forest within its boundaries and give them some lawn space, then I’m sure they’d have additional protection close around the house, too. And her actions could be just the closing of that circle. Actions are significant, but I think the words where quite important too. It seems that by her words the dreamers of the coming night were comforted, so it was an important thing to have said and done.
4) Is there a significance to the fact that she speaks to all the hobbits, but takes Frodo by the hand?
Well, Frodo has been called Elf-friend already, right? She recognized it, and it seems that she considers him slightly above his companions. Or more worthy of notice, or something.
"Any kind of plan where you lose your hat... is a bad plan."
'But it does not seem that I can trust anyone,' said Frodo.
Sam looked at him unhappily. 'It all depends on what you want,' put in Merry. 'You can trust us to stick to you through thick and thin - to the bitter end. And you can trust us to keep any secret of yours - closer than you keep it yourself. But you cannot trust us to let you face trouble alone, and go off without a word. We are your friends, Frodo.'
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FarFromHome
Doriath
Dec 8 2007, 8:05am
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That was a blast from the past!
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I haven't heard that kind of accent in a very long time - the Duke of Edinburgh may be one of the few people still alive who talks that way!
I didn't have any trouble understanding the interview (except where the sound quality drops out), although it turns out that I have read the transcript before - in fact it contains something that has been a great influence on my understanding of LotR:
...Most people have made this mistake of thinking Middle-earth is a particular kind of Earth or is another planet of the science fiction sort but it's just an old fashioned word for this world we live in, as imagined surrounded by the Ocean.
G: It seemed to me that Middle-earth was in a sense as you say this world we live in but at a different era.
T: No ... at a different stage of imagination, yes.
The more I read LotR, the more it seems almost postmodern in intent. Tolkien would have been appalled at the thought, I'm sure. But I find that thinking of LotR as set in our world but seen through a different imaginative lens reveals more layers than even the most detailed and complex "facts" of Middle-earth. It's that sense that the "facts" are actually only the facts as understood by the characters in (and writers of) the story that I find most intriguing. This is the concept of the "unreliable narrator" taken to the extreme!
(On a side note, I noticed that Tolkien uses the word "allegory" quite unselfconsciously himself ("But that [Frodo's story] seems I suppose more like an allegory of the human race"), yet when the interviewer uses it, Tolkien rejects it as emphatically as ever:
G: Is the book to be considered as an allegory?
T: No. I dislike allegory whenever I smell it.
My take on this is that Tolkien rejects the notion that LotR is a "roman à clé", in which Mordor is Nazi Germany or whatever. But "allegory" in the general sense seems to be an idea he welcomes.)
...and the sails were drawn up, and the wind blew,
and slowly the ship slipped away down the long grey firth;
and the light of the glass of Galadriel that Frodo bore
glimmered and was lost.
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