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titanium_hobbit
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Dec 27 2012, 12:59am
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That's different to the book: (spoilers maybe)
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I would like to catalogue a list of things which are different to the book- without emotion or any PJ bashing- just a calm, collection of not-book evidence.
Here's what I remember.
Thorin arriving late
The council of dwarves
no Gandalf rushing Bilbo out the door
Radagast
warg chase into Rivendell
sneaking out of Rivendell
White council
Morgul blade
Gandalf not there when going over pass (stone giants though, very good)
Dwalin checking the cave (as opposed to Fili/Kili finding cave)
Bilbo leaving
Bilbo slipping away too early - seeing Gollum eat the goblin
Bilbo being too brave too early (agree a bit subjective)
Riddles scene: great, but missing two riddles (fish themed ones)
Buttons scene isn't when he's invisible and getting through guard house
No sneaking in past Balin's watch with Ring on
No landslide
No stopping in a clearing and then discovering warg meeting place
Gandalf throws only one colour of flaming pine cone
Goblins then are supposed to turn up and set fire to the trees
Moth- instead of Great Eagle flying by and grabbing Gandalf before he jumps into the battle with a suicidal bang.
Thorin did not need to attack Azog, have near-death experience
Bilbo too brave! what is with his attack on the wargs? where will his redemption be in the halls of the elven king?
Bilbo didn't hang from Ori's leg (nearly left behind again) flown by eagle.
No erie scene- Bilbo afraid of eagles, no talking eagles.
What else did you notice? :)
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carrioncrow
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Dec 27 2012, 1:05am
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The bit when they are being tracked and Gandalf confront's Thorin...something like "Who have you told of our quest?"...did I miss something or did this setup go nowhere?. Is this a plot thread to be picked up in future films (someone in the Company) or should I just assume this is going to end up being a reveal of Saruman's treachery?
On the upside. I think Smaug's design is going to pay homage to Tolkien's own dragon renderings (as on the map, etc.). I'm excited about that.
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Bladerunner
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Dec 27 2012, 1:12am
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No Bilbo meeting the dwarves at the Green Dragon...
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- No "coming to lands where people spoke strangely."
- No dwarves casting spells on the buried Troll treasure.
Nice list btw!
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 27 2012, 1:28am
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You mean different from both books?
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Or just from The Hobbit? Some things in the film of The Hobbit are different from that book, but derive from The Lord of the Rings, with varying levels of fidelity.
If you're counting differences from LOTR, then you could add that in the books, but not the film:
--Thror was killed by Azog while alone in Moria, not outside in battle;
--Thrain didn't disappear during the war of the dwarves and orcs but years later;
--Thorin never faced Azog in battle;
--Azog was killed at the door of Moria by Thorin's cousin Dain;
--the Witch-king had not died, and so his body hadn't been buried in an enchanted tomb; and
--the White Council had known Sauron was in Dol Guldur for many years.
Regarding The Hobbit, I would add that in the book's Riddles scene, Gollum doesn't give away the answer to his toughest riddle by saying, "Time's up".
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Intergalactic Lawman
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Dec 27 2012, 1:34am
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We know that Thorin has been at a dwarf council (so they all know) and we know that the rest of his company know...but who else?? And who would see them out to Azog?
My money is on Nori being the traitor...for gold!! 
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 27 2012, 3:34am
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Do significantly mispronounced names count as a change?
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Two weeks ago, there was a whole thread pondering which two dwarf names might be mispronounced, as was claimed (correctly, as it turns out) in an advance review. Nobody seems to have mentioned this point since then, but there are in fact two pronunciations that are quite wrong -- or you might say, the same mistake is made twice.
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 27 2012, 5:21am
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Missing four riddles, not two.
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These riddles from the book are not in the film:
--"An eye in a blue face"
--"It cannot be seen, cannot be felt"
--"Alive without breath"; and
--"No-legs lay on one-leg".
Also, "This thing all things devours" is missing its final two (of six) lines--and the first two words of the first line.
(So as I mentioned in another thread, even this scene which hews close to the book is about half changed from the source.)
One more thought: in the book, Gollum taught his grandmother to suck eggs, while in the film, she taught him to do so.
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 27 2012, 5:37am
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I think Azog's knowledge (so awkward saying that. Azog is DEAD!) will be linked to Sauron.
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Hearkening somewhat to Thrain's pursuit. "As soon as he was abroad, with few companions about him, he began to be hunted by the servants of Sauron. . ." Of course, Thrain had no Wizard looking out for him as Thorin does (Two in this film! lol).
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Ruxendil_Thoorg
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Dec 27 2012, 5:42am
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Troll scene and events leading up to it
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Stopping at the ruin of a farm house destroyed by Trolls
The quarrel between Thorin and Gandalf prompting the latter to leave grumbling
Bilbo and the two bowls of soup
Fili, Kili, and two missing ponies
Two more ponies taken
Bilbo tries to free the ponies, per Kili and Fili's "encouragement"
No talking purse
Bilbo-as-snot-rag
"Burglarhobbit" instead of "burrahobbit"
Dwarves attack! And fare rather well! For a while anyway.
Dwarves' attack foiled when Trolls threaten to dismember their burglar
Bilbo stalls for time via "helpful culinary suggestions", rather than Gandalf via ventriloquism
The Dwarves other than Thorin are slow on the uptake.
Gandalf uses his break-ground spell to *unblock* the sunrise rather than using ventriloquism to stall.
Thorin blames Bilbo, failing to credit the Hobbit for his clever, successful stalling gambit.
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Cave Troll
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Dec 27 2012, 8:57am
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Iconic line pointlessly changed (for the worse imo).
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 27 2012, 11:43pm
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Ostadan had made several observations in the Reading Room, including at least one point not mentioned yet in this thread.
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titanium_hobbit
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Dec 28 2012, 12:38am
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It's a line I almost know by heart, having read it so many times.
I do so want a Hobbit hole of my own!
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titanium_hobbit
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Dec 28 2012, 12:44am
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Another change is that the dwarves lose their ponies much much earlier- so there are no ponies who get eaten by goblins in the film.
This is perhaps a positive change. :)
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Aragalen the Green
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Dec 28 2012, 12:48am
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I was reciting along to myself while watching this, and yes, was jarred to find it changed.
" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"
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carrioncrow
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Dec 28 2012, 1:04am
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They cut BOTH of Balin's significant "lookout" scenes. The one at the Green Dragon and the one where Bilbo sneaks past Balin when they regroup beyond the mountain. Imprtant moments in establishing the Bilbo/Balin dynamic. These omissions troubled me deeply. I am a Balin fan and I still see him as the lynchpin nearly as important as the most important dwarf in terms of bridging the 2 film trilogies.
It was some solace to see them using Balin as a lookout (in a sense) during the Erebor flashback.
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 28 2012, 3:33am
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Movie-Bilbo doesn't decide to go back into the goblin-caves and rescue the dwarves.
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That's a change from the book I think no one's mentioned.
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Ruxendil_Thoorg
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Dec 28 2012, 3:50am
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No singing of Tra la la lally that I noticed, nor any of the teasing by Elves.
Lindir, borrowed from book-FOTR and with a different role/function within Rivendell.
Elrond and hunting party grand entrance
Elrond's moon-rune-reading terrace has patio furniture made of solid crystal.
"Moon-runes" instead of "moon letters".
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N.E. Brigand
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Dec 28 2012, 5:33am
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In the book, Bilbo invites Gandalf to tea. //
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