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Warrior 3000
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Dec 17 2012, 3:13pm

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2 scenes in the trailer. Can't Post

so i noticed that 2 scenes in the hobbit trailer were not in the movie at all and i was wondering why. im sure PJ had his reasons to cut them out but one of them really puzzled me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0k3kHtyoqc

in that trialler theres a clip of bilbo walking past the anduril in rivendal. this part was not in the movie at all and i was wondering why because im sure bilbo would ask what the sword was and would be told about suroan and the ring..


also there is another clip of gandalf and thrain II fighting in Dol Guldur, this is also not in the movie.


stoutfiles
Rohan

Dec 17 2012, 3:22pm

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EE I assume [In reply to] Can't Post

They already spent what felt like an eternity in Rivendell, so they likely removed that scene to quicken the pace.

The Thrain scene will either be a flashback in an upcoming film, or likely relegated to the EE as well. It will be interesting though because Gandalf is perplexed that Radagast found evil in Dol Guldur. He should have found evil there when he found Thrain.

Or, perhaps Gandalf and Radagast will meet up to go to Dol Guldur alone and find Thrain there for the first time, creating all sorts of continuity errors, and then Gandalf will call for Galadriel's help and she'll show up with a bunch of elves to take down Dol Guldur in the second movie. I wouldn't put it past PJ.


chrism628
Bree

Dec 17 2012, 3:23pm

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Here is why... [In reply to] Can't Post

The first you scene you mentioned will most likely be included in the EE of AUJ.

The second scene you mention will probably be included in DOS.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Dec 17 2012, 3:31pm

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Honestly [In reply to] Can't Post

About half of the shots in the initial teaser trailer aren't in the finished film. Some of this is due to the three film split, so many of the scenes will be in the other films. Other scenes, however, just got cut. Bilbo at the market in the Shire, Bilbo seeing Narsil, and Gandalf exploring (not sure if tombs or Dol Guldor). All these got cut for some reason, and I really hope they're in the EE.

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Carne
Tol Eressea

Dec 17 2012, 3:35pm

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As we're talking deleted scenes... [In reply to] Can't Post

Here's a list I put together. Probably missing something. I intentionally left out all the Dol Guldur stuff as I assume it has been moved to film 2.

- Gandalf meeting a young Bilbo at the Old Took's party (confirmed by McKellen to be in the extended cut).

- Bilbo at the market buying groceries while trying to hide from Gandalf and the Sackville-Bagginses (confirmed by Jackson to be in the extended cut):
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/7market.jpg

- More of Thror fighting at the battle of Azanulbizar (told to me by Jeffrey Thomas' stunt double).

- More fighting with the trolls (Bombur being kicked back and Bifur's axe getting stuck in a troll leg):
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/37.jpg
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/116.jpg

- Fili and Thorin hiding behind a rock:
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/hbt-031232r.jpg

- Company running through a forest:
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/t2-14-copy.jpg

- Food fight in Rivendell (briefly seen in the first trailer and mentioned in interviews):
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/6bofur.jpg.

- Bofur singing "There is an Inn, A Merry Old Inn" (mentioned by Nesbitt).

- Dwarves annoying the elves (confirmed by Jackson to be in the extended cut).

- Bilbo walking around in Rivendell:
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/t157.jpg

- Bilbo and Narsil:
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/1narsil.jpg.

- Bilbo and Elrond:
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/.../06/vlog2-7-copy.jpg.

- More of the Goblin King and the goblin scribe (confirmed to be in the extended cut by Jackson and Boyens).

- Something moving towards Bilbo (crack or goblins?):
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/t173.jpg

- More of goblin town escape:
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/t135.jpg
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/t169.jpg

- A scene between Bilbo and Gandalf after goblin town (shown at Comic Con). It went something like:
Bilbo: I found something in the caves.
Gandalf (suspicious look): Oh, what did you find?
Bilbo (fiddling with the ring in his pocket): I found courage.


(This post was edited by Carne on Dec 17 2012, 3:36pm)


Ardamírë
Valinor


Dec 17 2012, 3:44pm

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Thanks for this! [In reply to] Can't Post

Amazing list. Good job! Smile

My only problem with this list is that it seems that everything I wanted to see was cut! Frown

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 17 2012, 3:49pm

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Good list [In reply to] Can't Post

I think "there is an inn" and "what did you find?" could still show up in one of the remaining TE's, though.


MorgolKing
Rivendell

Dec 17 2012, 3:51pm

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Thanks... [In reply to] Can't Post

Nice list.

What sources show that those scenes are confirmed by Jackson or Sir Ian to be in the EE?


Carne
Tol Eressea

Dec 17 2012, 3:56pm

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They're spread throughout these videos: [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.empireonline.com/...terview.asp?IID=1605

More of the goblin scribe is mentioned by Boyens in this podcast: http://www.empireonline.com/podcast/ Well worth listening to Smile


(This post was edited by Carne on Dec 17 2012, 3:58pm)


MorgolKing
Rivendell

Dec 17 2012, 4:22pm

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Ok [In reply to] Can't Post

Awesome, thanks!


Arandir
Gondor


Dec 17 2012, 4:28pm

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But why include the Dol Guldur scenes in AUJ's second trailer when [In reply to] Can't Post

they already knew some two months before that the story will take place over 3 films?

That has been bugging me ever since ...


Ardamírë
Valinor


Dec 17 2012, 4:44pm

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I think [In reply to] Can't Post

That shot was of Gandalf exploring the tombs. There was a thread a while back suggesting that this scene was cut from AUJ and should have been between The White Council and Gandalf showing up in goblin town. I'm expecting it in the EE.

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Arandir
Gondor


Dec 17 2012, 5:18pm

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I see ... [In reply to] Can't Post

thanks for clearing that up! It seems much has been cut out ... must make for one awesome EE! Cool


Ardamírë
Valinor


Dec 17 2012, 5:25pm

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You're welcome! [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, I'm expecting an amazing EE. I'll be supremely disappointed if many of these things are still left out.

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 17 2012, 6:00pm

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i know i might be in the minority [In reply to] Can't Post

but i don't think there's anything there i really miss or that i think would be worthwhile enough at the expense of the film's pacing other than the Gandalf in Dol Goldur/tombs stuff. it's crazy to me that such beautifully shot, evocative material that was highlighted prominently in BOTH trailers would be relegated to the EEs where only the diehards will get to see it. i have to think that we will get some of those shots in DOS, whether it be in flashback or a real-time look at Gandalf's first scouting of Dol Guldur for himself.


Kassandros
Rohan


Dec 17 2012, 6:12pm

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Makes sense to me. [In reply to] Can't Post

When the White Council happened, I just assumed Gandalf would be investigating the tombs that were talked about. It was a little jarring to leave that thread hanging in the film, but similar things happened in the LotR theatrical releases. For example, if you just watch the theatrical version, Brego saving Aragorn makes no sense at all as Brego's connection to Aragorn was never explored in the theatrical. Also, perhaps more famously, "I will break the wizard's staff".

all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


Findun
The Shire

Dec 17 2012, 6:37pm

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There is more ! [In reply to] Can't Post

Some stills from the 2nd trailer I haven't seen in the final cut (I may be mistaking Wink )

http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/t79.jpg

http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/t105.jpg
(Can't remember Radagast saying this line in the movie)

http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/t124.jpg


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 17 2012, 6:42pm

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The last two were in the film :-) / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Findun
The Shire

Dec 17 2012, 6:43pm

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Ouch [In reply to] Can't Post

Getting an alzheimer so young Crazy


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 17 2012, 6:45pm

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The last shot is only very brief [In reply to] Can't Post

After falling down the bridge, and being squashed by the Great Goblin, Kili looks up and sees this.

I only noticed it on the second viewing, so there's still hope for you. Wink

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Findun
The Shire

Dec 17 2012, 6:46pm

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Aaah [In reply to] Can't Post

I now remember it :-)


Ardamírë
Valinor


Dec 17 2012, 6:47pm

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I hope it's put back in [In reply to] Can't Post

I've been looking forward to the Dol Guldor plot for a long time and all we got was one scene of Radagast fighting the witch-king! I want all the other stuff we were supposed to get. It's especially ridiculous because we've been told time after time that we were going to be told what Gandalf is up to, and the first two times he's gone, we're not shown! Good grief.

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Dec 17 2012, 7:08pm

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precedent [In reply to] Can't Post

the scene was Merry offering his service to Theoden was in the original LOTR trailer in 2000 and did not appear in the films until the extended cut of ROTK in 2004.

Trailers are their own beasts and because trailers are outsourced to a different company what appears in the film and vice versa doesn't necessarily match. Crazy

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unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 17 2012, 7:09pm

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we're gonna get plenty of Dol Guldur [In reply to] Can't Post

i think it's appropriate that in AUJ we get basically just a hint of what's to come there. AUJ had "Riddles in the Dark," which is gonna be a somewhat impossible scene to top in DOS or TABA, but with the Dol Guldur sub-plot getting pushed back a little i really think that gives us almost as much to look forward to in DOS with it, Beorn, Mirkwood, and more of the Grey Elves, Thranduil, and Smaug.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Dec 17 2012, 7:14pm

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I just think there should have been more [In reply to] Can't Post

And that the endless action scenes should have been cut so that they could be included.

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales

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