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Ataahua
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Dec 16 2012, 7:40am
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Please post all Hobbit reviews within this thread. (Links to previous review threads are within.)
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We're trying to keep reviews in one place, so please post here. Also, see our Home Page for Ringers Reviews! For the Fellowship of the Ring, we had more than 15,000 reviews - let's get more for The Hobbit. Thread 1 Thread 2 Thread 3 Thread 4 Thread 5 Thread 6 Thread 7 Thread 8 Thread 9 Thread 10 Thread 11 Thread 12 Thread 13 Thread 14 Thread 15 Thread 16 And *drumroll please*.... Thread 17
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..." Dwarves: "Pretty rings..." Men: "Pretty rings..." Sauron: "Mine's better." "Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak. Ataahua's stories
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Dec 16 2012, 8:50am
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Updated Thoughts after viewing #2 (with HFR)
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Warning: I'm about to eat my words regarding 48 fps. I saw the film again today in 48fps. Firstly, I must say I enjoyed the film a lot more on my 2nd viewing (though it still has issues). Secondly, to my complete surprise, I was really into the higher frame rate. I can see why it's getting a negative reaction from critics and industry folk. It almost removes the camera from the equation, and makes it look like you're watching a live performance right in front of you. It made it unlike anything I've ever seen. Granted, there were still moments when I hadn't quite adjusted to the faster movement - but it was still marvelous to behold. Quibbles I still have: - The production & costume design in certain areas looks noticeably cheaper/faker than in LotR (especially Erebor). Given the money put into this film, I know it's not really cheap - but it looks it. This isn't even a 48fps thing - I noticed it in the 2D version too. - The whole Azog subplot is like something from a bad B-movie. Where was he all these years? - The ending feels like it just cuts off. It's so noticeable that the narrative for film 1 wasn't supposed to end here. Should have stayed as 2 films. - Something wonky was done with the music. Out of place themes from the trilogy just pop up later in the film with no rhyme or reason. The soundtrack album is much better. Aside from those things, I had a great time with it today. Dialogue flowed better, the pacing didn't bother me, and I pretty much had a smile on my face throughout the film. Lots of fun, but I still feel like it's a pale shadow of LotR. I may just need time to accept the vastly different tone. As of now, I'd probably rate it an 8/10.
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Finrod
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Dec 16 2012, 8:50am
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Here’s one I haven’t seen posted yet, from The Economist. They’re, well, kinda right.
…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.The Silmarillion, pp 150-151 while Felagund laughs beneath the treesin Valinor and comes no more to this grey world of tears and war.The Lays of Beleriand, p 311
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Artemis Roach
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Dec 16 2012, 9:55am
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Agreed, most of the commenters responding to the article are definitely right. The reviewer - not so much. (The only people who seem to agree with him admit they haven't seen the film - and yet they just know for a fact it's all a big money-grab.) Asking - since The Economist seems to be the place to get Hobbit reviews these days, does that mean The One Ring is now the go-to place to get economics news and stock picks? (And really - The Economist slagging the film off as a "franchise" - since when did The Economist start despising capitalism?)
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DanielLB
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Dec 16 2012, 10:40am
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Maybe I should give it another go?
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I really don't want to, but maybe I was being a drama queen? After all, I found the motion blur a lot more obvious after watching it in HFR.
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burrahobbit
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Dec 16 2012, 12:15pm
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Yes that's in line with a number of reviews
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What was great about LotR was that the 'broadsheet' critics who had always been so sniffy about fantasy films were finally converted and really loved it. AUJ is right back into the fantasy appealing mainly to hardcore fans and the teenage boy demographic. The Economist review is certainly not some lone voice as posed above, it's saying exactly the same things as the New York Times, CNN, Salon, Wired, the Telegraph, Time, Los Angeles Times... Certainly chimes with my experience of the film. Then there's another bunch of critics who generally enjoyed the film, but just couldn't get over the 48fps thing.
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Arannir
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Dec 16 2012, 1:32pm
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My verdict: 9/10 (FotR 10/10, TTT 9/10, RoTK 8.5/10) Maybe as a movie this was just good. But as a Tolkien adaptation it was brave, marvellous and almost better than the Lord of the Rings. It has the pace of the book, which I find truely epic. You can already feel that this is going to be a three-piece saga. Some may criticize that but I do not even want to start imagining an editied version of this in two movies. Yes, as a movie (speaking about the crafting that is filmmaking) it may not be 5/5 when it comes to editing. But this - at the same time - makes this movie more than a Hollywood blockbuster. It takes its time. It has scenes purely for the fans. Which filmmakers have been this brave when it comes to adaptations and the mass taste? The HFR (which is amazing in the grand picture) reveals some of the CGI and make-up. But then again, only in minor moments. In others, it looks better than anything I have ever seen before. Most outstanding was the sequence of the flying eagles when it comes to the look. Just breath-taking. I am sure in ten years people will look back at this and say: "Yes, it was the future. And they were brave enough to try it." The acting is superb - although I do understand why Freeman and McKellen will go without major nominations. As of yet, there were not the 100% Oscar-moments in their performances simply because the screen-time is split between so many characters. However, the scene "It is the small things that keeps the darkness at bay" should get some special award for "two masters of their art acting the sh*** out of this world". Epic. The highlight - and I can only repeat others here - the game of riddles. What can I say? Serkis is the only actor I would have hoped for some nominations... but I guess the fears of awarding CGI characters is still too big for that. But the scene is simply like a major scene in a staged play. Tony-worthy. The two actors connect so amazingly well that it is heart-breaking to see how Bilbo later looks at the crushed Gollum. Both Freeman and Serkis are the one-and-only actors for these two roles. So, only a fanboy's praise? Not entirely. The tune of the "Misty Mountains Song" is too often repeated. And although the recycling of LotR score is epic in some parts (first time we see the ring, Shire, Lorien-theme) it is a bit weird in others (Nazgul-theme in Thorin's final stand, Return of the King-theme when Thorin and Bilbo hug). I hope that it was the plan to underline the similarity between FotR and AUJ through the score and that more new music will hit our ears once we reach Mirkwood, Esgaroth and Erebor. Also, the troll-scene - though a good adaption of the episode in the book - does not settle completely with the rest of the movie. While all the other comic moments go well with the characters this is the only truely childish-scene imho. Nice to finally see on screen - but that could have been shortened a bit, I guess. All in all - I am back in Middle-Earth and cannot wait for my second time (again in HFR 3D, after christmas I will see it a third time in LotR 2D style). Thank you, PJ and company, for being brave enough to make a fan-film, by the hyper-nerd for the little nerds :)
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Glóin the Dark
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Dec 16 2012, 1:33pm
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Cosmo Landesman in the Sunday Times - four stars out of five
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"Peter Jackson's trilogy sets out on a high, even if its frame speed is a mistake." "Overall, this is not the fantastical film that some may have wanted - gone is the epic grandeur of The Lord of the Rings. Yet An Unexpected Journey is not the bloated, over-long bore some have claimed. It's an enjoyable work of entertainment, one that suggests the best is yet to come." (I presume that the full article can only be read online by those with subscriptions to The Times.)
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architecthis
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Dec 16 2012, 2:53pm
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The Movie was a Major Dissapointment for me
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I think some people on here saying how good it was are exhibiting "wishful thinking" or are just in denial. The movie just wasn't that good. I have been waiting, like so many other people, since the end of ROTK for this day and it was a complete let down for me. It was a hollow action adventure film, on par with Pirates of the Carribean or Harry Potter - and I didn't even think it was THAT good. Like many critics are saying, and rightly so IMO is that the movie was just too padded. I could sit here all day and admire Middle Earth and be content with that even with minimal story to keep me interested but Azog's storyline and character design were added in to create a villian with a story arc for the first film after the decision was made to create a trilogy. He just doesnt fit in middle earth. He belongs in an animated version of He-Man or something to that effect. PJ's lack of practical effects and miniatures is also painfully apparent. The use of these things in LOTR lended the film a certain hand crafted aesthetic that (other than the costumes and props) is all but gone in this film. Yes, the film should have had a lighter tone, but it doesnt just have a lighter tone - in fact other than the music and beautiful scenery I didn't feel there was much that set this film apart from any other action adventure released over the course of the last five years. With all of that being said the performances were wonderful and obviously all of the actors and the rest of the production company have put their whole hearts into this project. I hope that with having so much more time to develop and EDIT the second film we will all be pleasantly surprised next December - but I wont be investing as much energy following and anticipating that film as I did this one.
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Dec 16 2012, 3:07pm
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I think some people on here saying how good it was are exhibiting "wishful thinking" or are just in denial. But I think otherwise! It's ok that you didn't like it, but I think the majority is liking the film! (It just turns out the critics are among the minority, as the films is breaking records worldwide!)
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architecthis
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Dec 16 2012, 3:12pm
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I cant stand most critics but unfortunately there overall consensus is actually a good indicator of the quality of a film. The twilight films broke records as well, that should tell you right there that a big box office hit does not necessarily mean the movie is any good. And I think the majority are saying that the film is not terrible and is actually entertaining - which I agree with. I was expecting a masterpiece and a masterpiece it is not. But you are right, it's just my opinion. I just had to get it off my chest because I'm extremely disappointed.
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Eleniel
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Dec 16 2012, 3:21pm
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I think some people on here saying how good it was are exhibiting "wishful thinking" or are just in denial. The movie just wasn't that good. I have been waiting, like so many other people, since the end of ROTK for this day and it was a complete let down for me. It was a hollow action adventure film, on par with Pirates of the Carribean or Harry Potter - and I didn't even think it was THAT good. Like many critics are saying, and rightly so IMO is that the movie was just too padded. I could sit here all day and admire Middle Earth and be content with that even with minimal story to keep me interested but Azog's storyline and character design were added in to create a villian with a story arc for the first film after the decision was made to create a trilogy. He just doesnt fit in middle earth. He belongs in an animated version of He-Man or something to that effect. PJ's lack of practical effects and miniatures is also painfully apparent. The use of these things in LOTR lended the film a certain hand crafted aesthetic that (other than the costumes and props) is all but gone in this film. Yes, the film should have had a lighter tone, but it doesnt just have a lighter tone - in fact other than the music and beautiful scenery I didn't feel there was much that set this film apart from any other action adventure released over the course of the last five years. With all of that being said the performances were wonderful and obviously all of the actors and the rest of the production company have put their whole hearts into this project. I hope that with having so much more time to develop and EDIT the second film we will all be pleasantly surprised next December - but I wont be investing as much energy following and anticipating that film as I did this one. I agree with pretty much all of this, postives and negatives - particularly the lack of "bigatures" - think how much better that shot of Radagast approaching DG would have been with a scale model of the ruined fortress... I too came out of the cinema with a sense of detachment - perhaps that was because I knew too much of what to expect, from the spoilers, but I genuinely hoped to have had the same sense of wonder and I got from seeing FotR the first time. The only time I really felt I got drawn into the story apart from the first 40 minutes at Bag End, was in the excellent "Riddles" sequence. It was like a movie of two halves - first half for the fans of the book, and the second majorly for the general movie-going audience with the occasional nod to fans. I honestly felt the White Council spot was pointless...it all boiled down to "A Morgul blade has been found where it shouldn't have" with the response being "So what?"
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Dec 16 2012, 3:27pm
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Could not agree more about the White Council
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I felt the same way. That and so many other scenes felt out of place and forced. I really cant get over Azog either. He was a giant cartoon. I mean he was clearly and obviously a cartoon. With LOTR CGI was used sparingly and only when ABSOLUTELY necessary and as a result the film looked fantastic. When they did use CGI it was incredibly well done like with the Balrog.
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 16 2012, 3:50pm
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I too am disappointed that they didn't use miniatures on The Hobbit, but the truth is that it wasn't possible once they decided to shoot in 3D. Not sure of the particulars, but when shooting 3D, mixing live action with miniatures does not work-- the scaling gets thrown off. The same reason they couldn't use the same forced perspective tricks to make the hobbits and dwarves look comparatively smaller.
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architecthis
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Dec 16 2012, 4:00pm
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And my solution would be that they should not have shot in 3D...I mean, if it aint broke, why fix it? ROTK recieved so many oscars, why bother changing your strategy around? Eleniel is right about Dol Goldur. In LOTR and in many classic fantasy films (like those by Ray Harryhausen etc.) you see a miniature and you know its a miniature and you also know when you see a matt painting but something about it just registers - it looks right. I think that they did a good job with most of the CGI. I believe Azog looks so awful because he was added in last minute when they decided to turn the film into a trilogy and they didnt have the time to flesh him out or get his design right. Not saying you cant make a fantastic film in CGI, you certainly can but using so much of it and relying on it so heavily I believe was a mistake. Its like the movie is half cartoon and half real.... half comedy and yet more than half of the time trying to take itself seriously. LOTR worked because it was BELIEVABLE. Tangible high fantasy that felt like we were watching ancient history unfold in front of us on screen. I believe PJ could have adjusted the tone without turning the film into half an animated feature.
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Cave Troll
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Dec 16 2012, 4:01pm
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will forgive my posting his review from another forum. Pretty much agree 100% (although I think Armitage was fine).
The critics are wrong. This film isn't bad because of the beginning. The beginning is one of the best things I have ever seen on film. This film is bad because of the middle and end. Which leads me to my ultimate conclusion: Peter really knows how to set up a story, and he has absolutely no idea how to execute it. No clue whatsoever. The middle and end of the film is so incredibly uninteresting, flat, disjointed, heavy-handed, sloppy, fake, bland, thin, and every other insulting description in the book. It is an extended video game cinematic with high production value. There are so few reasons to care about this part of the story, or anyone in it, that it's almost not even worth talking about. But it has left me with such an immensely hollow feeling – borne of the fact that I believe this was the last chance in my life to see Tolkien’s work satisfyingly translated to the screen – that I have to get it off my chest as therapy. This may sound silly, but I went into the film quite happy – my personal and professional life is wonderful at the moment – and left bordering on depressed. I know it’s just a movie, but this is it. I am going to die, and never see a film adaptation of Tolkien’s works that I like. Alright, enough of the Peter Jackson-esque melodrama! Oh, but the beginning. How absolutely wonderful it was. As the embers floated off into the night sky over Bag End, I said to myself: "Has Peter Jackson done it? Has he finally captured the essence of Tolkien, in just a few scenes?" The answer is yes, he did. He captured it in a bottle, and used it all up at the beginning. Then he lost it. And boy did he lose it. But I’m getting ahead of myself. Let me start with what I liked, primarily because I can count that on two hands. The Good 1. Bilbo and Frodo prologue: Despite being rather unecessary, I unexpectedly enjoyed the framing device. Why? Three reasons. First, it is about Bilbo – the main character of this story (who Peter forgets about later). Second, it’s in the Shire. That is the place Peter does best. Third, it has Ian Holm being an English bon vivante in it. That’s always a good thing. One quibble. Why in the name of Radagast’s Rhosgobel rabbits did they change “and that means comfort” to “and that means good food, a warm hearth, and all kinds of comforts” or some such nonsense? What purpose did that change serve? 2. The Erebor flashback: While I felt Thror’s Scrooge McDuck moment in the vault was a tad ridiculous, and that the interior of Erebor looked more like something from the Thor comic book world than Middle Earth, I ate this flashback up. I especially loved Thror’s awesomely ornate beard, and Thranduil’s fantastic stag-mount. That was a moment of visual imagination that wasn’t in the book, but felt absolutely right. I also didn’t mind the bit about Thranduil abandoning the dwarves, even if it had echoes of Theoden’s “Where was Gondor?” That is primarily because Lee Pace did an extraordinary job of portraying some sort of godly indifference – slowly closing his eyes and turning away. In those few moments, he seemed more elvish than both Weaving’s Elrond and Blanchett’s Galadriel (as much as I love them both as actors). But we shall see if that is sustained in the next film. 3. All of Bag End: The “good morning” dialogue. Brilliant. Bilbo doesn’t mean most of what he says! The arrival of the dwarves. Brilliant. I especially loved the short bit where Dwalin sits down and eats Bilbo’s dinner, which we just watched him preparing for himself. Bilbo awkwardly sitting next to Dwalin while his hulking form literally gobbles up his comfortable life, made the point of the story far better than most of the film does (and it was very funny, to boot). Here was the clash of timid, modern England and her viral, glorious, barbaric past, communicated in one scene. And then Balin’s response to Bilbo, when he says “good evening?” “Yes, yes it is.” That is spot on. Bilbo, the modern English man, was just uttering a pleasantry. And Balin, a dwarf of the ancient English past, takes his comment literally! Just perfect. Chip the glasses was good, for many of the same reasons, and then the Misty Mountains song. OH MY GAWD. This was the best representation of “the call of the wild” that I have ever seen on film. Thorin and company sing like ancient snake-charmers (beautifully shot too), and Bilbo listens from his room. With only a few shots, you could feel Bilbo drawn into the depths of the past, and the allure of ancient wonders. The primordial fire wakes up in his heart at that moment, and we didn’t need a flashback or anything to make the point. The camera pans to the fireplace, up and out the chimney, following the embers of the fire into the night sky. It could not be better. Then one of my favorite scenes in the film. Bilbo’s initial false relief at seeing the dwarves gone, followed by a deep disappointment. The camera-work, and Freeman’s brilliant acting, communicates this subtly and profoundly. Yes, Peter Jackson can do subtle. And he can do it very well. If only he trusted this kind of storytelling more often… 4. The outskirts of the Shire: Bilbo’s arrival, Balin’s “welcome Master Baggins,” Bilbo’s first go at pony-riding, the bet, and his “I forgot my handkerchief!” All light, jaunty, but refreshingly funny. It is Bilbo-centric, and is the most meaningful and natural group interaction we see in the entire film. 5. Balin’s description of Thorin’s personal story: Ken Stott is great. And the flashback to Azanulbizar was evocative (BTW, I saw Bolg quite clearly in closeup for a few seconds). And, it’s always good to see dwarves in battle. Even if they are being hurled off cliffs. 6. Azog’s design: Not the character so much, but the design. It’s genius (the best-designed orc character I have yet seen – almost a marble statue of an orc deity come to life. Much, much better than the uninspired Uruk Hai designs, including Lurtz). 7. Most of the troll business: I liked the trolls, and especially liked the unexpectedly horrifying image of one of them carrying the ponies to their deaths. I also didn’t mind the “Bilbo negotiation,” and found the parasites stuff to be pretty funny. Here, instead of a full-on deus ex machina, we have a Bilbo assist, followed by the Gandalf slam dunk (if you notice, Bilbo sees Gandalf scurrying out of view, which emboldens him to continue stalling). But Peter marred this scene with a few too many stupid gags, and a totally uninspired fight scene. It ended up feeling rather blah by the end of it. 8. Balin and Bofur: These two were the best dwarves of the bunch. Why? Because we got to spend a little time with them, and they were well-acted by Stott and Nesbitt. I loved all of Balin’s dialogue (except when he inexplicably becomes a voice of unreason, when he advises Thorin to not show Elrond the map). And despite the stupidity of Bilbo deciding to go home, I found the scene between him and Bofur in that moment to be incredibly effective. It’s just too bad that Peter decided to dwell on ten billion minutes of crappy CGI running and fighting, rather than spending time on the dwarves and Bilbo. The Okay 1. The Goblin King’s personality: I was pleasantly surprised that he wasn’t the “Kill the dwarf-scum” type of limited vocabulary orc/goblin. While some of his routine was certainly silly, this part of the film desperately needed some personality. Otherwise, it would have been overwhelmed by CGI nothingness. 2. Most of Riddles in the Dark: While I think it would have been far more effective to visually play this scene ala Sheen and Brando in Apocalypse Now, it was competently executed. It wasn’t the tour de force some reviewers have claimed, but it was decent enough… 3. The flight of the thrush: A nice touch. Saved AUJ from being one of the worst films I have seen in the cinema in the past decade. The Bad and the Ugly Despite the fact that I really disliked the film, I will spend less time on the bad than the good. That’s because I don’t want to rain on the parade too much, and because there are so many bad things about the film, that I couldn’t possibly list them like I did above. If I did, I would probably list close to 200 examples. In short, the rest of the movie sucked, and that made the whole film ultimately suck (I don’t believe a film can be good unless most of it is good!). For me, it was so overwhelmingly bad, that it wiped away almost all the moments of charm. Bilbo and the dwarves, and their Lonely Mountain quest, were no longer the focus of the film. In fact, the main purpose of their mission almost became an irritating afterthought – as if Peter Jackson simply didn’t care about it, and would rather have a tedious and thin rivalry between Thorin and Azog, and the backstory of Sauron’s rise, take center stage. But then even those misguided narratives were under-cooked. Everything from this point on felt perfunctory. Radagast’s initial introduction was charming, but that then devolved into utter crap. The warg chase was just awful, and Radagast’s diversionary tactic was criminal. Their method of getting into Rivendell was terrible. The lack of any more interaction between the dwarves, and the dwarves and Bilbo, was indefensible. Rivendell was useless and tacky, and Elrond’s “light table” was almost midichlorian-esque in its destruction of the simplicity and mystery of the source material. The White Council scene, which when I watched on its own seemed okay, was absolutely the wrong thing to show at that point of the film, when we should have been spending time with Bilbo and the dwarves. Galadriel’s chat with Gandalf was awfully boring, meaningless and completely tangential. Was this now also a film about Gandalf overcoming his fears? For god’s sake, focus on Bilbo’s character arc, not Gandalf’s! Do you not trust that storyline? And after this, basically no more talking or meaningful interactions. Just fighting and shouting and swooping and falling. Mind-numbingly horrible. Oh noes, we’re on the stone giant’s knees! Oh noes, Bilbo is falling! Oh noes, the dwarves are dead! No, they’re alive! A cave! Oh noes, a trap door! Oh noes, we’re falling through a CGI slide! Ladders, wooden bridges, more CGI goblins, the Goblin King jumps up out of nowhere, video game boss-like! Then Bilbo gives a decent speech, which the previous hour of the film makes you care nothing about, and then its more CGI idiocy. And the trees just HAD to be on the edge of that cliff, and we just HAD to have dwarves hanging off a tree, and thus off the cliff, and then Thorin fights Azog, and Bilbo saves him, and then all the dwarves show up somehow, and….whatever. The eagles were okay. But this brings me to the final big problem of the film. While I like the man immensely, and believe he is the one actor on the cast that truly understands Tolkien (and speaks about his works far more intelligently than PJ ever has), Richard Armitage is simply not a great actor in this. His Thorin is so astoundingly one-note, that I almost can’t believe it. It may just be PJ, Fran and Philippa’s horrible script, but I’m not so sure. Just imagine what prideful energy a James Cosmo sparring with Gandalf would have given the film. Or an Ian McShane, or a Brian Cox, or any other older actor that has grit, wisdom, experience in his eyes, talent, and a capacity for humor when needed. This was, IMO, an epic miscast. And I didn’t expect that. But enough of this rant, which is probably almost as mind-numbing as the film. Conclusion It’s not a very good film, and that’s that. But the most frustrating part about it is that it had a few small moments of beauty and near-perfection (the first 30 minutes or so, I suppose). If PJ just trusted the kind of storytelling he gives us in Bag End and the flashbacks – meaningful, rich and layered – his films would be excellent. Instead, he always gets away from that in his quest to provide us viewers with Hitchock’s “slice of cake” rather than a “slice of life.” The problem is that Hitchcock’s cake actually tasted pretty good. Jackson’s tastes like the first cake I ever baked, back in college when I was drunk and hungry. It was horrible.
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architecthis
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Pretty much completely agree except for the Azog review - I thought he was terrible. It's hard to even describe how disappointed I am. I feel even worse for you Shelob because at least I have LOTR which I do enjoy but to not have any Tolkien film adaptation to watch and love I'd be even more depressed.
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Eleniel
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Dec 16 2012, 4:40pm
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This review from Michael Drout may not be popular...
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http://wormtalk.blogspot.se/...m-some-thoughts.html but he offers a fair and balanced assessment of the underlying weakness in the script approach, describing it as "a script with a fair number of false notes, missed opportunities and unnecessary changes" which I totally agree with.. That said, I had some issues. These are all more in sorrow than in anger, because I think Jackson had the opportunity to make a great film but missed it—in part because of the lowest-common-denominator needs of global Hollywood, but also in part because he and screenwriter Philippa Boyens didn’t entirely understand their material or trust their audience... This just about sums it up for me: Too many times we see something that is visually cool but emotionally empty... "Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened." ¯ Victoria Monfort
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Pimmiko
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Dec 16 2012, 4:56pm
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about LotR. There were many scenes I didn't like at all. Especially the scale doubles, they look so awfully like themselves, not the hobbits, they move differently, they look nothing like the hobbits, I got ripped off the story every time I see them, it was awful! And when they did it otherwise, it looks horrible too. Then those from the book that were left out, like Tom Bombadil, one of my favorite characters, I was so disappointed. House of Healing etc. All the changes and Hollywood tricks, bad on-lines. I could go on and on. I just wanna say that there was nothing like that in the Hobbit. Nothing was left out that I had missed, in contrary. No troubles with scale doubles, just fun. Beautiful acting, character development, everything in place. I am fed up with hearing that negative critics are objective and intellect, positive critics come from people who are naive and easy to please. Let us not to be so easy to judge! Everyone has his one opinion which doesn't define him as a person.
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Arannir
Doriath
Dec 16 2012, 4:59pm
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Although I loved the movie and personally think it does the book almost more justice than LotR did to its book, I do understand the complaints above. Probably because they were my fears before I saw it... but then the movie draw me in, I got completely immersed and most worked for me (even Azog). But what is even more interesting is that the fan's criticism and the critic's criticism is so different. That the negative reviewers disliked the first part which is almost unanimously praised even by harsh fan-critics. After the praise LotR got this is surprising imho, as the Bag-End part basically screams LotR and setting of the story, while the second half is the one - despite the similar journey - having a completely different look, pace and also feeling (not so much because of the comedy, but because of the "aha" moments when it comes to LotR connections).
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DanielLB
Elvenhome

Dec 16 2012, 4:59pm
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I wouldn't say I'm in denial. Yes, I have minor niggles with the film. But as a whole, I loved it.
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sauget.diblosio
Dor-Lomin
Dec 16 2012, 5:02pm
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I'm no fan of 3d. But i *am* a fan of seeing the crews working with those huge miniatures in the documentaries, and seeing how beautifully and realistically they look in the finished film. So it's a bit of a lose/lose for people like us.
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GoodGuyA
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Dec 16 2012, 6:03pm
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Just looking to add to my prior thoughts
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I find it odd that people say the movie was padded. While some parts stretched on a bit long (particularly the less-than-substantial action scenes) I thought this movie moved way too fast. It gets incredibly noticeable when you get to the Trollshaw sequence. After they get out of the cave, it is non-stop point to point. There is no quiet moments to reflect on the journey. No Lothlorien, no River Anduin, and even Rivendell here (which I felt was the most consistently LotR part of the story) was paltry with no real character development. You get a single jolly scene with the dwarves, and the rest is rapid exposition. I think they left a lot out too. Who is Elrond? Why should I care? Why are the elves so bland as hell (not at all mystical like in LotR)? I did find that there were a few clever alterations along the way, such as how they explain Gandalf's absence at the mountains. Some parts were even engaging, though in very different ways than I expected. I felt Bag End was too short, for what it was, since you never got a sense for individual dwarves, though the attitude of it all was welcome. The introduction to the "Tookish" side was a great piece of writing and acting by Ian and Martin. Once we started to talk about orcs though... Good god, things spiraled down quickly. I certainly appreciated the Moria sequence as a prologue, but everything around it reeked of cliches. Even the designs of the orcs just disgusted me this time around, and I liked them in LotR. If they could have ditched that piece, it could have solved so much... As it is though, I find this to be a far lesser product than LotR, though somewhat good on its own. The "Narnia affect" we talked about is certainly relevant. I will perhaps come back to this after I watch it for a second time.
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 16 2012, 6:26pm
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I'm hoping the EE fixes the "rushed" feeling the film has.
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The EE really helped give FotR a sense of the journey that the the hobbits, and later Aragorn, took before reaching Rivendell. And i love how RotK's EE drew-out both Frodo's arduous trek through Mordor to Mount Doom, making it seem even more dangerous, and Aragorn's march from Minas Tirith to the Black Gate, which in the theatrical cut seemed like like no more than one day.
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