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Tauriel: possible flash sideways?
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Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 25 2012, 9:26pm

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Indeed [In reply to] Can't Post

and she doesnt even look like an elf, and I should know. Wink Dont care how good that stunt double chick looked, Lily is much too modern looking. I am actually dreading her flying through the air like the Last Methane Bender.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Sep 25 2012, 9:29pm

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Even if there's an audible toot as she takes off? [In reply to] Can't Post

Someone posted an aversion to fart jokes recently... could't resist.Wink



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Escapist
Gondor


Sep 25 2012, 9:29pm

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I think it is a good idea to add Tauriel in to fill out Mirkwood. [In reply to] Can't Post

But I wasn't thinking any additional characters needed to be created to fill out the characters in AUJ - male, female, dwarf, elf, man or otherwise. In fact it rather seemed that with the inclusion of the WC plot and the perspective of the goblins (and key WC members appearing to be cut - and Tom, Bert and Will looking a bit less like speaking character roles).

On the other hand, the end of The Hobbit with the events in Mirkwood and Laketown and the additional dwarves that show up is screaming for new named characters to sort of personalize the stories of the people that happen there. But all of that isn't part of AUJ from what I could gather.


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Sep 25 2012, 9:30pm

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A sage prescription! [In reply to] Can't Post

Though I think moving from sex to gender might be a bit much for us at the moment.

LR


Escapist
Gondor


Sep 25 2012, 9:31pm

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I think Lily makes a great elf lady // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Elenorflower
Gondor


Sep 25 2012, 9:37pm

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maybe she lights one [In reply to] Can't Post

and blows the doors of the Dwarves prison? Crazy


Beutlin
Rivendell

Sep 25 2012, 9:43pm

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Please do not confuse feminism with Judith Butler's writings. [In reply to] Can't Post

There is more to feminism than bad writing and antisemitism.

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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Sep 25 2012, 9:58pm

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It is very unlikely... [In reply to] Can't Post


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No seriously, Gandalf leaves the party at Trollshaws.

Edit: unless you mean it's unlikely Gandalf could make the schlep all the way over to Radagast's and back in that time.



The Trollshaws are west of the Misty Mountains. Radagast's home of Rhosgobel is east of the mountains, in or near Mirkwood. If Gandalf meets up with Radagast at this point in the story then it is because Raddy was out looking for him, not at home.

'Thus spake Ioreth, wise-woman of Gondor: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.' - Gandalf the White


ElendurTheFaithful
Rivendell

Sep 25 2012, 10:03pm

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a [In reply to] Can't Post

"I have read the book many, many, many many times (as well as the drafts), and there is NO "Tauriel" or female guard-captain in it"


troubling your little world doesn't it. Instead of CAPTAIN OF THE GUARD we get FEMALE CAPTAIN OF THE GUARD. horror. jackson's out of control. tolkien's rolling in his grave right now. blasphemy. will we ever smile again?



SirDennisC
Half-elven


Sep 25 2012, 10:18pm

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In that case, Rebecca Walker if you prefer... [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree there is more to the subject than one person's views.Evil

In any event I'm more familiar with Stuart Hall than either of them -- "Oppositional Code" from his Reception Theory seems especially relevant to this discussion:

It is possible for a viewer perfectly to understand both the literal and connotative inflection given to an event, but to determine to decode the message in a globally contrary way. (Wiki saves the day again.)



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Escapist
Gondor


Sep 25 2012, 10:21pm

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The way a person chooses to take something is their call. [In reply to] Can't Post

And by that power they shape the reality they know. I remember an example of someone who decidedly took everything in the most positive way possible and I watched him win many people over. It didn't always work but ... he didn't seem to care!


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 25 2012, 10:29pm

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99% sure that Tauriel and Legolas are NOT in AUJ [In reply to] Can't Post

They have been omitted from both the official cast lists, and the synopsis.

Curious as to why we're still entertaining the idea as a likely one.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Sep 25 2012, 10:30pm

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He's an unknown actor, with very little experience [In reply to] Can't Post

So it is highly unlikely that his role will be as large as Tauriel's.

In any event, I almost dislike his original character description more than Tauriel's. "Cunning civil servant" or something like that. Sounds like a bad cliche just begging for the cutting room floor.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Sep 25 2012, 10:31pm

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Agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

I mean there's a slight chance they might surprise us... but according to available info and images it'll be another year and a bit before we see them in action.



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Aitieuriskon
Lorien


Sep 25 2012, 11:14pm

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I think that that role will be filled not by her [In reply to] Can't Post

but by Legolas, who will then take the opportunity to abandon his father's kingdom in favor of fighting the good fight in the "big picture" via assisting the White Council in the Dol Guldur Episode. Tauriel will be a more savage isolationist and will remain in Mirkwood and take part in the Bo5A

"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951


Solicitr
Lorien

Sep 26 2012, 1:16am

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Give us a few weeks [In reply to] Can't Post

So much crap, so little time.Evil


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Yet I see relatively little disparagement of PB over the others. Why is this I wonder?


Why the early attention to this particular made-up garbage character as opposed to the others? Because in this case the pandering is so obvious.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Sep 26 2012, 1:44am

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It takes fresher bait than that. [In reply to] Can't Post

Actually I've enjoyed this and similar discussions over the past few days. But we should be careful about vague aspersions, made even in jest.



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Ffnir
Rohan


Sep 26 2012, 2:04am

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It could work, but [In reply to] Can't Post

It would then be a shame the way Gimli yell at Legolas at Elrond's counsel, knowing that he is the one who freed his father


DanielLB
Immortal


Sep 26 2012, 7:22am

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I suspect (and I know others do as well) Alfrid will be the Grima of The Hobbit. [In reply to] Can't Post

No, he probably won't have as much screentime, but both plots could easily ruin TDOS.

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macfalk
Valinor


Sep 26 2012, 8:23am

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Garbage character [In reply to] Can't Post

For real? Have you seen the movie? I certainly haven't. You dismiss a character as 'garbage' without actually having seen this character in action?



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macfalk
Valinor


Sep 26 2012, 8:25am

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Cunning civil servant [In reply to] Can't Post

Sounds like Wormtongue!



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macfalk
Valinor


Sep 26 2012, 8:28am

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Evangeline Lilly - Not A Real Purist? [In reply to] Can't Post

We have a new TORN-acronym! NARP.



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(This post was edited by macfalk on Sep 26 2012, 8:30am)


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Sep 26 2012, 8:56am

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Obvious to you, at least... [In reply to] Can't Post


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Why the early attention to this particular made-up garbage character as opposed to the others? Because in this case the pandering is so obvious.



I really don't see the alteration of the gender of the Wood-elf captain and giving her a name (as well as expanding her role) as necessarily pandering. Jackson may have given her a good reason to take up a bow instead of marrying and having children; maybe Tauriel is incapable of having children so that defending the kingdom is her contribution to the common good. Perhaps we should wait to actually see her on film before we judge the character too harshly.

'Thus spake Ioreth, wise-woman of Gondor: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.' - Gandalf the White


Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 26 2012, 10:10am

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Toys [In reply to] Can't Post


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Curious as to why we're still entertaining the idea as a likely one.


A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Fardragon
Rohan

Sep 26 2012, 10:16am

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I suspect Alfrid exists [In reply to] Can't Post

To give The Master someone to expound his evil plans too.

Why does the Master need his role expanded?

Because BARD most defiantly needs his role expanded.

Which means he needs an antagonist.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...

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