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Patty
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Aug 15 2012, 4:25pm
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Kendalf
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Aug 15 2012, 7:11pm
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Three different categories of revision?
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Purely aesthetic changes
I can see this sort of tweaking happening for the Ultimate Pentalogy Box Set in 2015, particularly as Jackson is such a huge fan of the technology of movie-making. Personally, I'd be happy to see:
1) A uniform look for Gollum throughout the entirity of all five films (save the slightly "younger" look they claim they have in TH)
2) Improved CGI (quality not quantity - no extra trolls and oliphaunts, please) to match the standard in TH
3) Freeman replacing Holm as Bilbo in the prologue to FotR (an exact replica of the original shot, please - which, actually, I hope features in this Christmas's AUJ)
4) A uniform colour-palette across all five films (the new colouring for FotR clashes badly with TT and RotK at the minute...and don't get me started on the tint again  )
Additional voice-overs
I'm a little reluctant to support the inclusion of new material as it veers too closely towards revisionism this many years after the event and that has a justifiably bad name. Still, with some old cutting room footage from the original shoot (if even necessary), some extra lines of voice-over could be added with minimum effort to enrich the tapestry a little:
1) Perhaps Gandalf could make a reference to Sauron's rout from Dol Guldur (whilst in Bag End's kitchen?)
2) Perhaps he could also make a little more of the fact that it is Balin's tomb and that that is Ori's skeleton he's just plucked the book from
3) Perhaps he could also mention that news has reached him of Dain's last stand in the north (whilst on the Minas Tirith balcony?) or Frodo could do it (as we fly back over the map to Hobbiton?)
New footage
As I said above, I'm not a major fan of this and not just for ethical reasons; the films are long (and occasionally cumbersome) enough as they are (particularly RotK) and I suspect the standard of make-up, the quality of the image, the aesthetic of the costumes, the age of the stars etc would jar quite badly if 2012 material were inserted into a 2001 film. Still, if it had to happen:
1) A battle-montage of Dain and the War in the North
And although there very little support for it (from what I can tell), I think we're going to see a 3D LotR whether we want it or not. "Ultimate Middle-earth Pentalogy! Available in 3D!"
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Patty
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Aug 16 2012, 11:14am
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We just treated ourselves to a 3D TV for our celebration of 25 years in our little home. It does do 2D to 3D conversion (simulation) and I'm planning to have a marathon of LotR just prior to The Hobbit's release, but I'm not sure if I'll do this conversion or not. And I'm thinking I may have to watch the DVD instead of the Blu-ray of FotR, or I'll be angry.
If a 3d conversion of LotR becomes available (done in a professional way) with a fixed FotR coloring I'll have to have it. I figure--I don't smoke and only drink occasionally and I'm only an infrequent shopper-- I deserve the vice of trying to get Middle-earth at its best, no matter how often I have to replace it. But once more is enough--heck, I didn't even buy the Limited Edition, that had both the theatrical and the extended in one set. I adore 3D--I'm blessed that it doesn't give me a headache, and I'll not be better able to immerse myself in the films in my lifetime (outside of the books, of course.)
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Kendalf
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Aug 17 2012, 10:29am
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I love 3D, too, when it's done properly and am itching to upgrade my TV in my home-cinema (ie converted garage!) but I'm holding off until The Hobbit 3D blu-rays come out (with the accompanying LotR conversions, of course!)...
Lurker in the Dark (and others) further up the thread are right, though: the converted LotR will never quite achieve the depth of immersion of, say, Avatar and, hopefully, The Hobbit as it wasn't shot with 3D in mind. I'd love to hear what impact your TV's "simulation" of 3D has on your viewing experience when you get around to it. 
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Patty
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Aug 17 2012, 10:38am
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it's a "smart" TV, and I'm not "smart".
I've been having a discussion with someone on the desire for "eye-popping visuals" as opposed to only a sense of depth. It depends on the movie, of course. I just watched the Grand Canyon, River at Risk disc, and the way the drops of water came out at you is a pretty awesome experience. I think something akin to that would be distracting in The Hobbit, though it would turn the theater experience into just that--an experience--instead of just a movie, if I'm making myself clear. I'm not sure what I prefer with this movie--I want it to seem like 3 movies of the 6 movie story, and it could never do that with those kinds of visuals, but they are fun to experience.
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Istaris'staffs
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Aug 17 2012, 6:35pm
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--Green Tint
--Correct Gollum in Fellowship
--Replacing Ian Holm with Martin Freeman in the Prologue
--Enhanced CGI effects. (Some of the scenes, especially in the Extended versions, look kind of rough in 1080p)
--3D
--Perhaps adding even more deleted scenes.
I don't see him creating new scenes.
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DanielLB
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Aug 17 2012, 6:41pm
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Well ... technically they have already created new scenes
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Old Bilbo and Frodo can slot straight into The Fellowship of the Ring 
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Kendalf
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Aug 17 2012, 10:10pm
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I've been having a discussion with someone on the desire for "eye-popping visuals" as opposed to only a sense of depth. It depends on the movie, of course. I just watched the Grand Canyon, River at Risk disc, and the way the drops of water came out at you is a pretty awesome experience. I think something akin to that would be distracting in The Hobbit... Agreed. I really, really, really, really don't think we need goblin arrows flying at us!! If, instead, the three dimensions are used to, say, transport us through Bag End, through the gates of Rivendell, through the goblin tunnels, through the trees of Mirkwood* then I'll be much, much happier. I remember just how enveloped (and thereby transported) I felt by Pandora's luminescent forest in Cameron's Avatar. That is what 3D is for!!! *I'll stop with Film One or the list will go on too long!
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 6:19am
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Is nothing like the Avatar experience. I am not interested in walking through a Hobbit-themed screensaver.
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 7:44am
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Avatar in 3D blew my mind away. Since then, every 3D film has been disappointing. I'm hoping that the 3D for The Hobbit is better than Avatar.
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Aug 18 2012, 3:37pm
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In the way that a really cool screensaver blows my mind.
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Patty
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Aug 18 2012, 3:45pm
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I just watched The Fifth Element with the 3D conversion. Or, I should say, I watched the first 15 -20 minutes of it that way. This is one of my all time favorite flicks, so I stopped after I'd just plain had enough.
I chose that movie, because there are so many places where you can tell it should have been filmed in 3D. A child pokes his finger out at the screen, guns are pointed at the screen, etc. etc. It would have been awesome if it had been filmed that way, but there is a huge amount of "ghosting" and very little depth. It could be my set doesn't do it well, or it could be the disc doesn't after all lend itself to that, or the player--I don't know. I haven't watched cable in 2D to 3D yet--I'll report on that later.
I have been using info from this guy on Amazon--a self professed 3D connoisseur to decide if I want to buy my first discs or not:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A11MGPEYU3VO1U/ref=cm_pdp_rev_more?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview#R1O6JTF9PNYUXL
He talks about oos (out of screen effects) etc. I love those, but as I say, I don't know that I want to see that in The Hobbit. I think we'll have to trust PJ not to go too far in this direction. It really might begin to feel like a video game. Avatar won't be out on disc to those of us who didn't buy Panasonic gear until sometime in October. That will be the test of how well my set works, cause it was awesome at the theater.
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 3:46pm
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Spoil sport 
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 4:16pm
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I compared Avatar to a really cool screensaver!
Isn't that a positive statement?
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DanielLB
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Aug 18 2012, 4:25pm
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But not positive enough
I hope the films are better than a really cool screensaver!
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Kassandros
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Aug 18 2012, 4:25pm
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My expectations for Avatar's story were so low that I was pleasantly surprised
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I went to watch it purely for the special effects. And the special effects blew me away - I felt like I had been transported into the future to see what movies will be like.
The story was better than I expected. Yeah, very simple and lots of cheese, but the story of the guy going back and forth between his avatar body and his crippled one was actually pretty good, I thought. The scenes of him transitioning back to his real body were moving. And the the transition into thinking the avatar body was his body more than the real one.
I think a really great movie could have been made of it with some changes. I also would have cut it into and let it breathe more, ending with the felling of the tree. As is, I still quite liked it though.
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 18 2012, 4:48pm
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That really engaged me for a few minutes. It was brightly-colored and interactive, and fun to play around with while I waited for my plane to start boarding.
That's how I feel about Avatar.
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Kendalf
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Aug 19 2012, 11:05pm
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Sorry, SA, but I have to disagree!
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(I hope watching The Hobbit) Is nothing like the Avatar experience. I am not interested in walking through a Hobbit-themed screensaver.
Avatar's art design may not have been to your own particular, personal taste. Indeed, its character development, narrative direction and thematic overtones may not have impressed you either.
But the overwhelming technological achievement of the film cannot be denied (save by the willfully contrary) and it is that which I am hoping is matched and, indeed, supassed by An Unexpected Journey this Christmas.
Three or four years down the line from Cameron's ground-breaking work on Pandora, I am immensely excited to see what Jackson can do with the format in Middle-earth...
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 19 2012, 11:07pm
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I'm not denying that in terms of computer graphics, it was an achievement
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I am just saying that artistically, I found it very much lacking.
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Kendalf
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Aug 19 2012, 11:12pm
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...then we're prettty much agreed, then!
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Spaldron
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Aug 20 2012, 4:46pm
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Do people still believe the "green tint" myth?
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I'm sorry but there is no such thing as a green tint the the EE's. The only ones who seem to see a green tint are those who haven't properly calibrated their TV's and are still using the factory settings. My set is fully calibrated and FOTR looks astounding and with not a tint of green to be found.
This is a great thread for properly fixing your TV's image quality (and removing that green tint forever).
"A single dream is more powerful than a thousand realities."
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Aug 20 2012, 5:48pm
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It is almost certainly NOT a myth. There is a green tint.
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Spaldron
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Aug 21 2012, 1:20am
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.... if you can see the green tint, in which case the chances are your TV isn't calibrated properly. There are people I have spoken to who have much more AV knowledge than I have and they assure me that this is merely an issue with some sets and dodgy calibration. Like I said my set is calibrated and there is no green tint at all, it looks perfect.
Remember these weren't just some shoddy studio approved transfers (like the TE blu-rays). Do you really think Jackson, who personally oversaw the transfers to blu-ray (from the original 2K masters no less) would just deliberately miss such an obvious colouration error?
"A single dream is more powerful than a thousand realities."
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DanielLB
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Aug 21 2012, 7:12am
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Wouldn't all 3 have the same problem?
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