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JWPlatt
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Jul 31 2012, 4:19pm
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Whether it's news to you is irrelevant to my post.
TORN cannot and should not claim "exclusive," here or on their home page, to news that was already scooped by others across the internet yesterday.
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DanielLB
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Jul 31 2012, 4:19pm
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The title doesn't have to fully match the contents of the film
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It's fitting. 
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DanielLB
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Jul 31 2012, 4:20pm
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Oooh! I think it sounds exciting! /
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DanielLB
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Jul 31 2012, 4:21pm
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Well it is an exclusive, since "The Battle of Five Armies" wasn't one highlighted yesterday ;- P /
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QuackingTroll
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Jul 31 2012, 4:24pm
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When you consider the framing device. "There and Back Again" both referring to Bilbo's journey and our going back and forward in time. But I still feel that these are film 2 and 3's titles. Makes me think that film 1 should be re-titled "An Unexpected Party"
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DanielLB
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Jul 31 2012, 4:26pm
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Why do you think it should be changed to "An Unexpected Party"? /
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SirDennisC
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Jul 31 2012, 4:27pm
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one some have been trying to make for a few days now --unsuccessfully, as if shouting into the wind.
"There and Back Again" is the alternate title, or sub-title if you prefer, of the entire story. And frankly I would rather they use that to describe all three films than call it "The Hobbit Trilogy."
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Arandir
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Jul 31 2012, 4:28pm
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The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
The Hobbit: Fire and Water
The Hobbit: There and Back Again
Though I'm all in favour of DanielLB's suggestion of using Desolation of Smaug for Film 2 and TABA for Film 3
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DanielLB
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Jul 31 2012, 4:29pm
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I was getting confused.
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RosieLass
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Jul 31 2012, 4:30pm
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It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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dormouse
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Jul 31 2012, 4:33pm
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Oh, shouting in the wind's not that uncommon round here...
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so is banging your head on a brick wall! 
As for 'There and Back Again', you're right that it's a good sub-title for the whole thing...
On the other hand, it works for film three because Bilbo is already 'There' at the start of the film, and before it ends he goes back again....
I'm not keen on 'Battle of the five Armies' as it tells you what's going to happen. But as SA says, it's what's in the film that really counts, not what they call them.
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GoodGuyA
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Jul 31 2012, 4:34pm
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The titles should reflect the characters' journey
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The story is not about "killing the dragon" or "The Battle of the Five Armies" (though moreso than the former), it's about the journey of Bilbo and the Dwarves. The titles should, in turn, reflect that. The two titles were so whimsical, and these just seem generic.
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SirDennisC
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Jul 31 2012, 4:35pm
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"The Gathering of the Clouds" is more poetic than Bo5A
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... and it could work, especially if they treat the Bo5A as similar to Helm's Deep, that is as one battle in anticipation of a final battle and perchance "the end of all things."
As a title for film 3 though it would take on a different meaning than it has as a chapter title in the book (obviously).
ETA: As "An Unexpected Journey" technically plays with the title "An Unexpected Party," I wouldn't mind if they called film 3 "The Gathering Storm" for the same reason stated above, and above
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Arandir
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Jul 31 2012, 4:36pm
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but then again, it's those situations and events that help define the character. Also, considering it would be the intermediary film, it wouldn't disrupt attention - it's similar to the generic title of 'The Two Towers' I guess ...
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SirDennisC
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Jul 31 2012, 4:40pm
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Ah, being there vs going there
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I've always figured "back again" implied "there" to be short hand for "going there," that "there" describes a journey rather than a place. But I see now how this could make sense... thanks for pointing that out dormouse.
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Foromir
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Jul 31 2012, 4:45pm
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Titles with a "... of ..." pattern, typically fantasy related, feel a bit tired and wannabe-epic.
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So I dearly hope these titles are NOT the ones to be used. In contrast, "An unexpected Journey" and "There and Back again" in particular sound original and inspired, it would be unwise to discard these needlessly. They just need to come up with a new creative title for the middle film.
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Foromir
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Jul 31 2012, 4:47pm
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"Hobbit Part II: Fire and Water"...I could live with that //
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Hanzkaz
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Jul 31 2012, 5:03pm
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I was thinking something like -
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Hobbit I: An Unexpected Journey
Hobbit II: On the Doorstep
Hobbit III: There and Back Again
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Escapist
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Jul 31 2012, 5:04pm
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I think both TDOS and BO5A look epic!
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I have to admit that I wouldn't mind also seeing a version for "Riddles in the Dark".
That being said, I think it is a matter of a choice of two goods and figuring out which is better and more popular - rather than a matter of whether or not either is any good (and that's my opinion).
Between these two visions for the epic trilogy:
1 An Unexpected Journey
2 Riddles in the Dark
3 There and Back Again
1 An Unexpected Journey
2 The Desolation of Smaug
3 The Battle of Five Armies
I'd say the first puts the emphasis on character development and the journey (my personal favorite) while the second puts the emphasis on epic battles and politics (currently popular today according to what I hear from other fans).
It's down to a matter of taste and preference, now. Either way things fall, it seems that most of the story will be there and it will be done justice and be fun to watch.
Show or do not show, there is no tell.
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QuackingTroll
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Jul 31 2012, 5:19pm
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What if both rumours, all three titles, are correct...
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The Hobbit: Riddles in the Dark
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies
I'd prefer
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Party
The Hobbit: Fire and Water
The Hobbit: The Clouds Burst
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Jago M
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Jul 31 2012, 5:23pm
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Naming the trilogy:
The Hobbit: There and Back Again
and the seperate parts
I. An unexpected journey
II. The desolation of Smaug
III. The battle of Five Armies
This way 'there and back again' would still be present
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Captain Salt
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Jul 31 2012, 5:29pm
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And potentially at the end of Film 3, he'd start off "There", then go "Back Again". It doesn't work as well as with the two-film structure, but it works, especially in countenance to the first film's title.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Altaira
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Jul 31 2012, 5:41pm
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*sigh* It's not about the domain names, it's the actual film titles
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They were registered by New Line in a way that shall remain nameless to protect our sources, but guarantees that they're legit.
Why don't you give it a rest, JWP, or at least read posts before you reply?
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