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48 fps cinema upgrades
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IncredibleSmaug
The Shire

Apr 19 2012, 7:55am

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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/peter-jackson-hobbit-48-frames-per-second-rate-james-cameron-313867


DanielLB
Immortal


Apr 19 2012, 8:08am

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Clickable link [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/...james-cameron-313867

Thanks for sharing Smile

I have no idea about any of this technological "stuff". I'll just be emailing by local cinema to make sure they will be showing The Hobbit they way it is meant to be seen!


guitarzankansasfan
Lorien


Apr 19 2012, 9:58am

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Caught a typo in the title of the film as written in the article. Gosh I hope the theaters are expecting more than just an unfinished journey :)

(This post was edited by guitarzankansasfan on Apr 19 2012, 9:58am)


DanielLB
Immortal


Apr 19 2012, 10:01am

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Good spot! How funny! / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Apr 19 2012, 10:28am

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Interesting thing about high frame rates... [In reply to] Can't Post

At least, in 60fps. When the person on-screen is looking directly at the camera (which I assume won't happen in The Hobbit) it's kind of uncomfortable. With 24fps you know you're just looking at a picture, but at 60 it looks so real, you get a very odd sensation looking into people's eyes... I've only seen this in 2D, I imagine it's even weirder with an extra dimension.

"...For if joyful is the fountain that rises in the sun, its springs are in the wells of sorrow unfathomed at the foundations of the Earth"


Chopsta123
Gondor


Apr 19 2012, 10:32am

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wow [In reply to] Can't Post

6-12TB per day! lets say they shoot 10 TB per day that means the storagespace for the whole production is about 2.5 million gigabyte! *head blown*


DanielLB
Immortal


Apr 19 2012, 10:33am

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If you don't mind me asking [In reply to] Can't Post

what was it that you saw at 60fps?


FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
Rohan


Apr 19 2012, 1:22pm

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Nice! [In reply to] Can't Post

That's cool.



QuackingTroll
Valinor


Apr 19 2012, 1:34pm

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Just test stuff... [In reply to] Can't Post

When I was doing a course in animation we got to play with some pretty neat cameras. I haven't seen a 4K display, but the monitors we had were capable of displaying 60fps footage. We shot various test stuff - balls bouncing and people talking and things. It doesn't necessarily look better, but it looks noticably different and more real. I remember a friend on the course described it as "too real" and said they'd hate films to use it, but I personally prefer it. It'll be interesting to see how it works with a movie, when your eyes have 3 hours to get used to the look.

"...For if joyful is the fountain that rises in the sun, its springs are in the wells of sorrow unfathomed at the foundations of the Earth"

(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Apr 19 2012, 1:36pm)


Owain
Tol Eressea


Apr 19 2012, 4:55pm

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i would't leave it to that, DanielLB... [In reply to] Can't Post

There is a shocking amount of people in Cinemas who know nothing about the tech that they work with. A lot of projectionists struggle with the new tech. I provided a link for the boards earlier this year, I believe, that showed all of the cinemas in N. America that will have 4K projection.

I'll see if I can dig it up for you.

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


DanielLB
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Apr 19 2012, 4:57pm

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UK [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm from the UK though Wink Would be a bit far to travel to see The Hobbit ... or is it?! Laugh

My local cinema is a large chain over here, so I'll be checking with their hotline/helpdesk, rather than the individual cinema itself. Thanks anyway Owain Smile


Owain
Tol Eressea


Apr 19 2012, 5:01pm

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Actually the link has info for theaters world-wide. [In reply to] Can't Post

Hang on a sec... digging it up.

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Owain
Tol Eressea


Apr 19 2012, 5:04pm

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Here you go.... [In reply to] Can't Post

http://pro.sony.com/...p4ktheatregmap.shtml

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


DanielLB
Immortal


Apr 19 2012, 6:02pm

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Thanks Owain! [In reply to] Can't Post

According to it, there are no cinemas near me that have 4K projection ...........

(sorry for my previous assumption Wink)


Owain
Tol Eressea


Apr 19 2012, 6:04pm

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I'm from the UK though Wink Would be a bit far to travel to see The Hobbit ... or is it?! Laugh

Not if you travel by map. It's much faster.

Sorry couldn't resist a Muppets reference.

Laugh

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Apr 19 2012, 6:19pm

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Can I ask what part of the UK you're from? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

"...For if joyful is the fountain that rises in the sun, its springs are in the wells of sorrow unfathomed at the foundations of the Earth"


DanielLB
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Apr 19 2012, 6:24pm

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Bedford/Milton Keynes area [In reply to] Can't Post

Looks like the nearest one is Cambridge Smile


R11
Lorien

Apr 19 2012, 6:29pm

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On static shots.... [In reply to] Can't Post


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At least, in 60fps. When the person on-screen is looking directly at the camera (which I assume won't happen in The Hobbit) it's kind of uncomfortable. With 24fps you know you're just looking at a picture, but at 60 it looks so real, you get a very odd sensation looking into people's eyes... I've only seen this in 2D, I imagine it's even weirder with an extra dimension.



With no movement, it would have no effect. The only time the picture will look different is when there is motion in the frame.


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QuackingTroll
Valinor


Apr 19 2012, 6:59pm

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The reason eyes look different... [In reply to] Can't Post

Is because of the speed that a person's eyes twitch or blink is nearly undetectable at 24fps. (Slow down a blink in a film, you'll see what I mean). This makes the eyes regester as unnatural to us, but sped up the eyes seem to have more soul behind them. As you say, perfectly static shots aren't effected, but shots, even with very little movement, can look much smoother and nicer with an increased frame-rate.

"...For if joyful is the fountain that rises in the sun, its springs are in the wells of sorrow unfathomed at the foundations of the Earth"


duats
Grey Havens

Apr 19 2012, 8:14pm

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Good to hear [In reply to] Can't Post

I'll have to remember to call my theater ahead of time to see if they've made the upgrade.


DanielLB
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Apr 19 2012, 8:20pm

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See Owain's post above [In reply to] Can't Post

You will already be able to check Smile


TheCoon
Lorien

Apr 20 2012, 8:50am

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i emailed my imax theater like forever ago [In reply to] Can't Post

long story short theyre ON IT!!!!!! (my imax theater is a bit of a distance compared to my norlal theater if only they had imax but im going there for this one!!!!)


DanielLB
Immortal


Apr 20 2012, 9:04am

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I am slightly concerned that there are no cinemas around me that show 4k projection. I don't really understand much of this techno stuff anyway. Can someone explain to us lay-people what we need to look out for, so that we are seeing the film, we are seeing it how it's supposed to be seen Blush


TheCoon
Lorien

Apr 20 2012, 9:29am

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didnt really ask about the projection [In reply to] Can't Post

i was more concerned with 48 fps


TFP
Rivendell


Apr 20 2012, 10:40am

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OK, thanks. Looks like there are a fair number in Blighty. Vue, Apollo, Everyman, & Showcase cinemas.

I think I might try & book to watch in one of the big [London] West End ones in the first couple of nights.

Will entire multiplexes be kitted out or just their one or two biggest screens?

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