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News From Bree
spymaster@theonering.net
Jan 28 2012, 9:39am
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New Hobbit Photo: Bifur, Dwalin, Bilbo, Bofur, Oin
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 Thanks to Ringer Wanderer for sending in this link!  MovieTalk at Yahoo! Movies has an exclusive new photo from 'The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey,' hidden in an article discussing Evangeline Lilly's role as Tauriel. Enjoy! [Yahoo!]
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alienorchid
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Jan 28 2012, 3:02pm
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Great to see another little teaser of what's to come.
Does anyone else find Bifur's beard/moustache braids to be way too perfect? They look chequered to me.
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ThorinII
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Jan 28 2012, 3:12pm
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"Nothing stands taller than the might of the Dwarves"
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Carne
Dor-Lomin
Jan 28 2012, 3:15pm
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I'm fairly sure we saw this photo about a month ago?
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The Grey Wanderer
Menegroth
Jan 28 2012, 3:18pm
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What I like in the photo is that Bilbo is clearly shorter than the dwarves
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which is just how I have always visualized it.
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musterd
Lindon
Jan 28 2012, 4:05pm
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Total Film mag first published it
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Yup it was in the Total Film February issue with Martin on the cover. But it was spread over two pages and the divider in the middle sort of distorted the picture slightly. This is a clearer picture.
Love how disheveled Bilbo looks!
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GafferBoffin
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Jan 28 2012, 4:09pm
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How does apnea come to be wearing only one of a pair?
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ShireHorse
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Jan 28 2012, 4:53pm
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when Americans(?) say "suspenders"! In England, we use this word to mean ladies' garters. It conjures up a wonderful image of Bilbo adjusting his stockings. He would probably use the equivalent English word "braces".
Great photo! Really like how they all look here.
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eralkfang
Menegroth
Jan 28 2012, 4:56pm
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I imagine that the dwarves as they arrive at Bag End are in, more or less, their best attire and their best braids. I like the checkered look of Bifur's braids, but I imagine they'll devolve as time goes on (and water gets involved!). It doesn't pull me out of the story at all.
I love that one of Bilbo's suspenders has fallen and his shirt is untucked; he looks like he's gotten dressed in a hurry, but not quick enough for the dwarves. Oh, Martin Freeman, you make a magnificent Bilbo. :)
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shadowdog
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Jan 28 2012, 5:14pm
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on our teeth. 
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QuackingTroll
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Jan 28 2012, 5:24pm
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That'll never keep your trousers up //
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"...For if joyful is the fountain that rises in the sun, its springs are in the wells of sorrow unfathomed at the foundations of the Earth"
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QuackingTroll
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Jan 28 2012, 5:57pm
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My favourite part of the book was always the the part when...
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They all get into a rubber dingy and paddle down Long Lake. (Sorry, I couldn't resist)
"...For if joyful is the fountain that rises in the sun, its springs are in the wells of sorrow unfathomed at the foundations of the Earth"
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Carne
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Jan 28 2012, 5:57pm
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They do indeed have quite big hands.
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Kili also is seen with a big pair in one of the vlogs.
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Aeluin
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Jan 28 2012, 5:58pm
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I completely missed that it was Nori on the river under all that hair. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Faenoriel
Dor-Lomin
Jan 28 2012, 6:59pm
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Bofur, is that your idea of carrying plates?
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Bilbo is almost as tall as the Dwarves. In LotR too the height difference between those races wasn't that noticeable. I suppose it's correct, and the idea of Hobbits being clearly shorter was just something I got into my head for reason X.
<3 Gandy, Raddy, Sharkey, Ally & Pally <3
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Faenoriel
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Jan 28 2012, 7:01pm
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I had the exact opposite reaction XD
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Yeah I feel too Bilbo should be clearly shorter than the Dwarves; but more clearly than here. However, this height difference is fine.
<3 Gandy, Raddy, Sharkey, Ally & Pally <3
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Faenoriel
Dor-Lomin
Jan 28 2012, 7:07pm
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Probably the other one fell off his shoulder in all the ruckus.
<3 Gandy, Raddy, Sharkey, Ally & Pally <3
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duats
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Jan 28 2012, 8:03pm
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Average height of a hobbit is 3'6".
Average height of a dwarf is 4'6".
So the difference between the two should be a foot, more or less. Here, Bilbo looks like he's only a couple of inches shorter than the dwarves. It's a detail that I'm not going to fret over, but it is inaccurate to the books
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jan 28 2012, 8:47pm
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I'm curious to know where your figures come from. I recall Tolkien giving a specific figure for Hobbits, but I don't recall anything that specific for Dwarves. That doesn't mean that he didn't; it just means I don't recall it. But I'd be curious to know whether your rather definitive statement comes from something that Tolkien wrote, or some other secondary source.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
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ShireHorse
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Jan 28 2012, 8:49pm
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Apparently, PJ did make some attempt to employ actors
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who were all taller than Martin Freeman in order to show a height difference without employing trickery. Armitage is 8 inches taller and they are definitely all a lot bulkier than MF and so give the illusion of being bigger.
They are all wearing prosthetic hands too plus fingerless gloves or wristbands in order to make them look stubbier and hide the "join".
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duats
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Jan 28 2012, 9:02pm
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Dwarves were 4-5 feet tall, shorter than the average elf and man. I believe it's referenced here:
J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The War of the Jewels, "Part Two. The Later Quenta Silmarillion: Concerning the Dwarves (Chapter 13)"
The hobbits' average height was mentioned in one of Tolkien's letters I believe. Don't know which one specifically I'm afraid.
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ShireHorse
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Jan 28 2012, 9:25pm
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Yes, you've got the heights right, duats.
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Thorin is supposed to be a particularly tall dwarf at 5 ft. There may not be a big enough height difference between the actors and MF/ Bilbo to be completely accurate but I think that PJ has done well with the actors he wanted for the different roles. IMO, the height difference is good ENOUGH. They definitely look like a larger race. Thorin needed to be the tallest and, since Armitage is the tallest except for Graham McTavish who is the same height, as has been said, they have built up Throrin's boots. That might make Thorin look almost a foot taller than Bilbo but still a foot shorter than Gandalf, say.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jan 28 2012, 9:30pm
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That's a lot less specific than what you said before
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Nor is it even accurate, so far as I can tell. All it says in that text that I am aware of about the Dwarves' height is "The Naugrim were ever, as they still remain, short and squat in stature; they were deep-breasted, strong in the arm, and stout in the leg, and their beards were long." (WotJ, p. 205, paragraph 5.) That is consistent with what was said in the earlier Quenta as well (which was Chapter 10 at the time; see The Lost Road, p. 274, paragraph 124: "Their stature was short and squat; they had strong arms and sturdy legs, and their beards were long."
Can you give a specific citation in later Quenta text, or any other text, in which Tolkien stated a specific height for the Dwarves, either 4 feet six inches as you originally said, or 4-5 feet as you say now, or any other specific number?
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
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