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Ethel Duath
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Sep 20 2023, 7:29pm
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Faramir discussion: sign up right here.
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I've combined CuriousG's and Elentari's proposals here, and would appreciate input and refinements before we untterly finalize. But for now, let's at least start off with these.
If he's still able, Curious said he could likely do no. 1, F and Frodo
If you'd like to host one of these, please reply in your subject line, and below that feel free to comment on any alterations you think might be good.
(I love the idea of discussing Faramir largely through his relationships.)
Discussion 1: F and Frodo (and Sam), CuriousG hosting
Discussion 2: Leader of Gondor (his Rangers in Ithilien, Beregond's fan-boy love of him, his command of soldiers in general, F and the Warden) and or Elentari’s proposal here: Leader of the Rangers of Ithilien which can cover all of TTT and include all of the lovely quotes that we all know and love. Command of soldiers can come here too?
Discussion 3 -Faramir and Denethor and Return of the King material "Siege of Gondor "
Discussion 4 Faramir and Gandalf, Beregond, Faramir and Pippin
Discussion 5- Faramir and Aragorn, in Houses of Healing then at Steward and the King chapter
Discussion 6- Faramir and Eowyn- mostly Steward and the King.
Speak, friend, and enter! (Just realized this was Gandalf's "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" moment!)
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elentari3018
Rohan
Sep 21 2023, 12:25am
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yes thanks for restarting this!
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I really want to talk about the Steward since i think there are many cool facets to take away and really crave discussion again. Thank you Ethel for starting the thread and i may want to volunteer for Faramir&Pippin, Gandalf and Beregond discussion 4.
Also want to add another week to see what Tolkien thought about Faramir since he didn't expect to write him in so that's a Letters type of week.
Should we make this weekly or biweekly since it does seem a bit slow in here? I am flexible either way. :)
"By Elbereth and Luthien the fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!" ~Frodo
"And then Gandalf arose and bid all men rise, and they rose, and he said: 'Here is a last hail ere the feast endeth. Last but not least. For I name now those who shall not be forgotten and without whose valour nought else that was done would have availed; and I name before you all Frodo of the Shire and Samwise his servant. And the bards and the minstrels should give them new names: Bronwe athan Harthad and Harthad Uluithiad , Endurance beyond Hope and Hope Unquenchable.." ~Gandalf, The End of the Third Age , from The History of Middle Earth series
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Ethel Duath
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Sep 21 2023, 8:52pm
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If it's still ok, with you Elentari, you've got No. 4//
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Ethel Duath
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Sep 21 2023, 8:53pm
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And I'll take Discussion 5- Faramir and Aragorn//
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Ethel Duath
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Sep 21 2023, 8:55pm
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Also, could everyone weigh in on weekly or every other, even if
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you're not planning to host one of the discussions? I'm leaning towards every other week myself.
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CuriousG
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Sep 22 2023, 8:10pm
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Yes, I can still do Discussion 1: F and Frodo (and Sam), CuriousG hosting
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Sorry--been so quiet here, I haven't been checking in regularly. But I'll get to work now!
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Lissuin
Valinor
Sep 23 2023, 7:01am
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Every other week would certainly give me a chance to catch up,
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and think.   I would not want to shortchange Faramir. (sigh)
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elentari3018
Rohan
Sep 23 2023, 10:56am
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and i also want want bonus discussion 7 and look at the Letters esp. Letter 244.
"By Elbereth and Luthien the fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!" ~Frodo
"And then Gandalf arose and bid all men rise, and they rose, and he said: 'Here is a last hail ere the feast endeth. Last but not least. For I name now those who shall not be forgotten and without whose valour nought else that was done would have availed; and I name before you all Frodo of the Shire and Samwise his servant. And the bards and the minstrels should give them new names: Bronwe athan Harthad and Harthad Uluithiad , Endurance beyond Hope and Hope Unquenchable.." ~Gandalf, The End of the Third Age , from The History of Middle Earth series
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Ethel Duath
Half-elven
Sep 23 2023, 2:18pm
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Oh, yes of course. Is 7 Faramir and Boromir? //
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Ethel Duath
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Sep 23 2023, 2:20pm
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I think you are not alone. 
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Ethel Duath
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Sep 23 2023, 2:26pm
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So far: Curious 1, Elentari 4 and 7, Ethel D. 5
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(Description of the added discussion 7 soon!)
(This post was edited by Ethel Duath on Sep 23 2023, 2:27pm)
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oliphaunt
Lorien
Sep 23 2023, 2:38pm
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Including the glorious appearance of my ancestor.
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Ethel Duath
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Sep 23 2023, 4:30pm
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Here is your cheering section and chorus. I will have them ready with sheet music 10 minutes before your arrival.
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Ethel Duath
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Sep 23 2023, 4:33pm
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As you can see, the basses are at the back.
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The tenors seem to be crowding in with the altos and sopranos. I'll have to persuade them (cautiously) to take the middle risers.
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oliphaunt
Lorien
Sep 23 2023, 10:02pm
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Erm yes they do prefer the front.
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They do find themselves terribly photogenic!
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elentari3018
Rohan
Sep 24 2023, 12:52am
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that's a nice pic of cheering section and chorus!
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can't wait for them to support us. ;)
"By Elbereth and Luthien the fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!" ~Frodo
"And then Gandalf arose and bid all men rise, and they rose, and he said: 'Here is a last hail ere the feast endeth. Last but not least. For I name now those who shall not be forgotten and without whose valour nought else that was done would have availed; and I name before you all Frodo of the Shire and Samwise his servant. And the bards and the minstrels should give them new names: Bronwe athan Harthad and Harthad Uluithiad , Endurance beyond Hope and Hope Unquenchable.." ~Gandalf, The End of the Third Age , from The History of Middle Earth series
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elentari3018
Rohan
Sep 24 2023, 12:55am
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Would Boromir be separate discussion by itself?
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There is a lot in flashback discussions but not direct conversation so a lot is probably gathered from other characters talking about Boromir. There is that one line in the appendix about the brothers getting along with each other despite age gap and differences so are you referring to that appendix part?
"By Elbereth and Luthien the fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!" ~Frodo
"And then Gandalf arose and bid all men rise, and they rose, and he said: 'Here is a last hail ere the feast endeth. Last but not least. For I name now those who shall not be forgotten and without whose valour nought else that was done would have availed; and I name before you all Frodo of the Shire and Samwise his servant. And the bards and the minstrels should give them new names: Bronwe athan Harthad and Harthad Uluithiad , Endurance beyond Hope and Hope Unquenchable.." ~Gandalf, The End of the Third Age , from The History of Middle Earth series
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Ethel Duath
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Sep 24 2023, 4:04pm
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one I could think of. Actually, I just wasn't sure of what you meant to be in no. 7. Let me know, and I'll put it in a post with you as the post-er.
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elentari3018
Rohan
Sep 25 2023, 3:02am
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#7 being anyting that is probably missed including appendix and Letters coverage
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And possibly Boromir could be inclusive of that since we only hear from flashbacks how the brothers' relationship was?
"By Elbereth and Luthien the fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!" ~Frodo
"And then Gandalf arose and bid all men rise, and they rose, and he said: 'Here is a last hail ere the feast endeth. Last but not least. For I name now those who shall not be forgotten and without whose valour nought else that was done would have availed; and I name before you all Frodo of the Shire and Samwise his servant. And the bards and the minstrels should give them new names: Bronwe athan Harthad and Harthad Uluithiad , Endurance beyond Hope and Hope Unquenchable.." ~Gandalf, The End of the Third Age , from The History of Middle Earth series
"Few other griefs amid the ill chances of this world have more bitterness and shame for a man's heart than to behold the love of a lady so fair and brave that cannot be returned." -Aragorn
"He knew now why Beregond spoke his name with love. He was a captain that men would follow, that he would follow, even under the shadow of the black wings."- Siege of Gondor, RotK
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Ethel Duath
Half-elven
Nov 8 2023, 8:20pm
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by our intrepid and learnéd Lissuin.
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