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Keebler the Elf
Ossiriand
Mar 10 2008, 3:55pm
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Movie Balrog vs. Book Smaug
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25 foot tall super-Balrog vs. the big red Dragon. Who wins this time?
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Bladorthin
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Mar 12 2008, 10:12pm
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Balrog wins. The Balrogs were some of Morgoth's most trusted minions, and were imbued directly with a part of Morgoth's power. Also, most of them were at one time Maiar. Dragons may rival them in sheer physical strength (though even this is debatable), but they have none of a balrog's metaphysical abilities.
Glaurung, first of Morgoth's dragons, was slain by a man. It took a Maiar of equal strength, with the advantage of a Ring of Power, to take down a Balrog.
"A Wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early; he arrives precisely when he means to!
-Gandalf, The Fellowship of the Ring
(This post was edited by Bladorthin on Mar 12 2008, 10:15pm)
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Keebler the Elf
Ossiriand
Mar 12 2008, 11:31pm
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Well, the book Balrog is only 10 feet tall. And though their powers may be great, Dragons of Morgoth are still a power to be reckoned with, and it all depends on circumstance whether or not one could win.
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Milady
Ossiriand
Mar 13 2008, 1:19pm
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He could totally beat up the Balrog.
Has anyone ever wondered what would have happened if Smaug had ate Bilbo, and therefore the ring? It would be interesting to see Sauron send orcs to go diving for the Ring.
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Keebler the Elf
Ossiriand
Mar 13 2008, 3:08pm
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What are your reasons that Smaug would win? 
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Milady
Ossiriand
Mar 13 2008, 5:52pm
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Because Smaug doesn't die if you shove him in a lake. The Balrog is extinguished. And fire is (as far as I know) the Balrog's only real weapon, and I'm sure fire wouldn't seriously damage a dragon. Smaug has claws and teeth to beat up the Balrog.
...Or maybe I just like dragons better. 
Has anyone ever wondered what would have happened if Smaug had ate Bilbo, and therefore the ring? It would be interesting to see Sauron send orcs to go diving for the Ring.
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Keebler the Elf
Ossiriand
Mar 16 2008, 5:52pm
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Here is what Padster said in a different battle, quote: "they were without question Maiar, and they killed just about everything that fought. There were only 7 Balrogs, and their power increased in the mind of Mr T as time passed showing the importance he placed in them as servants of Morgoth". They were Maiar, and were thus magical, and were very powerful. And if they were 25 foot tall movie balrogs, EVEN MORE POWERFUL.
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Padster
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Mar 16 2008, 9:24pm
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... if you shove them in a lake.
Nor do Balrogs. Where did you get the impression that they did?
Indeed the Balrog that Gandalf fought seemed no worse for wear having his fire put out. Indeed he was still very much a fearsome foe, as Gandalf explains:
"Yet it has a bottom, beyond light and knowledge," said Gandalf. "Thither I came at last, to the uttermost foundations of stone. He was with me still. His fire was quenched, but now he was a thing of slime, stronger than a strangling snake...”
The Balrog is not reduced by his dunking. It merely changes it’s tactics. And anyone out there who is clinging to the illusion that Balrog’s are purely things of shadow and fire, they aren’t. Although it DOES seem that fire was the Balrog's favoured defensive and offensive mechanism, which is why it burst into new flame when it and Gandalf got to the top of the mountain.
Mr T is being metaphorical about the shadow and fire thing. And merely, I believe, showing the company’s inability to clearly understand WHAT the Balrog was.
However, that they were PHYSICAL beings should not be in doubt. They, like Morgoth, gave themselves physical form, to which they were forever after wedded in order to gain more control over the substance or Arda and their own being.
Cheers
Padster
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Keebler the Elf
Ossiriand
Mar 19 2008, 12:07am
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So there you have it. Dragons and Balrogs are pretty evenly matched.
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Dagonet
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Mar 23 2008, 9:29pm
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When based on facts, it would pretty much be an eternity long battle. But when it comes to, if you have a favorite... well lets just say some people would definitely see a different outcome.
Me? I'm rootin for the Balrog. I mean I love Dragons and all, but the movie Balrog... it.... it was just completely awesome...
Dagonet,
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shdows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
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Keebler the Elf
Ossiriand
Mar 23 2008, 9:57pm
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If you go with the movie Balrog, then you'd definitely have to say, BALROG defeats dragon.
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Dagonet
Menegroth
Mar 24 2008, 11:39pm
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 Ahem, my sincerest apologies.
"BALROG defeats dragon."
Or technically... wouldn't I say "Balrog defeats Smaug."?
Dagonet,
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shdows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
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Keebler the Elf
Ossiriand
Mar 25 2008, 3:07pm
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I'd say BALROG, because the movie balrog was basically the book balrog on steroids.
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One Ringer
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Mar 27 2008, 11:54pm
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This is what would happen . . .
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Smaug and the Balrog would meet in the battlefield, would shake hands, and then conquer the lands together. 
Ash nazg durbatulûk, Ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
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HAHAHAHAHA!
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