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NecromancerRising
Hithlum
Sep 13 2024, 11:53am
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as usual.Btw, In Greece, it is also number one show,almost 2 weeks before the release of Season 2 and until now.
"You cannot find peace by avoiding life"
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Noria
Hithlum
Sep 13 2024, 12:28pm
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I'd be surprised if, on close inspection, there is even any real consensus amongst those who dislike RoP about what should be changed.
I also wonder if there is some lack of understanding about both the creative process and how the world works.
You and I must be very close in age.
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jpospich3
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Sep 13 2024, 4:16pm
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Perhaps I can shed some light here
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The internet and social media gave birth to the "anti-fan," the fan that loves to hate. Anti-fans were born in opposition to a phenomenon known as the "fan-boy" -- the fan who cannot accept any criticism whatever of the entertainment products they love and vociferously defend them and deny their flaws to the point of self-delusion.
What is more ridiculous, the anti-fan or the fan-boy? It's a good question. In any case, the continual "war" between fan-boys and anti-fans of various entertainment products constitutes a large part of online discourse today. You might even say that the true nature of the entertainment products in question doesn't matter so long as people can argue about them, endlessly, online.
The upshot of all this is that, in a very real and objective sense, the entertainment product in question becomes less and less important, as the online discourse about it grows in significance and eventually swallows it up entirely. I think we're seeing that with Rings of Power -- and with the general decline of professionally-created entertainment overall. The real entertainment is memes, flame wars, TikTok and Youtube videos. The TV shows and movies argued and discoursed about -- the art and entertainment of yore -- are now secondary, and will eventually shrivel up to nothing. Welcome to the future.
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Junesong
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Sep 13 2024, 5:13pm
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Totally. One of the worst parts of all this is the vicious cycle of it all. Fan Boys provide ammunition to the Anti-Fans and the Anti-Fan rhetoric galvanizes the Fan Boys. And on and on we go.
This is one of the reasons why I love Corey Olson. (Although he's regularly accused of being a Fan Boy) I find the opposite is true. Corey is miles away from either extreme and is always centering the content itself and analyzing it. It's never about is this "good" or "bad" or "faithful" or "unfaithful" but more of, "What are they trying to do? Are they succeeding? What story is being told and how does it play with what Tolkien has written? How are they engaging with the text? What story are they building our of Tolkien's materials?"
I think this is a much better and healthier way of engaging with content.
I don't know how social media taught us all to be the great arbiters of art, media and commerce. We are equal parts ignorant and confident. Every day people wake up and publish the front page of their own newspaper and publish it to the world. With one breath they are shouting "Hear Ye! Hear Ye!" and with the next breath they're shouting, "Who cares!"
The meteor can feel free to hit us any day now.
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."
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Michelle Johnston
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Sep 14 2024, 5:08am
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Celebrimbor lives on in Samsung and Apple
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Totally. One of the worst parts of all this is the vicious cycle of it all. Fan Boys provide ammunition to the Anti-Fans and the Anti-Fan rhetoric galvanizes the Fan Boys. And on and on we go.
This is one of the reasons why I love Corey Olson. (Although he's regularly accused of being a Fan Boy) I find the opposite is true. Corey is miles away from either extreme and is always centering the content itself and analyzing it. It's never about is this "good" or "bad" or "faithful" or "unfaithful" but more of, "What are they trying to do? Are they succeeding? What story is being told and how does it play with what Tolkien has written? How are they engaging with the text? What story are they building our of Tolkien's materials?"
I think this is a much better and healthier way of engaging with content.
I don't know how social media taught us all to be the great arbiters of art, media and commerce. We are equal parts ignorant and confident. Every day people wake up and publish the front page of their own newspaper and publish it to the world. With one breath they are shouting "Hear Ye! Hear Ye!" and with the next breath they're shouting, "Who cares!"
The meteor can feel free to hit us any day now.
What is so intriguing about the Nine is Sauron doesn't offer them to simply corrupt the mortal ring bearers but to control them. He indeed 'holds' their rings. They did not find eternal life but eternal damnation; it did not provide them with what they want, in one regard Ar Pharazon will have a lucky escape.
A smart phone in ones hand gives you the chance to track your whereabouts in the desert and the mountains. it enables you to exchange with loved ones far away. The huge communities of migrant workers working away from home gain great solace from talking to their families left behind at home.
It also has the capacity to cut you off from the lived experience, and if your work is in the virtual, rather than the actual sector, it has a greater capacity to seduce you.
A young man recently said to me. "People already live their lives through their phone."
The saddest part of all this acrimony that is being described, is someone tapping away in the virtual, are living in a form of the unseen. It is an obvious thing to say, indeed repeat what has been said before, in the unseen world we can drop the usual norms of human interaction and be vicious and unpleasant much more easily. Though I have also noticed people in the actual world are losing their capacity to how to interact with each other. Another young man recently told me that all the woman he meets expect him to entertain him in much the same way the smartphone entertains. Her role in this was to look right, nothing more.
Whether the show runners include it in their vision, there is the hint that we are going to gain an insight into the early phase of a mortal attaining a ring. A cautionary tale of our times. A ring is a dehumanising experience and we loose all that is truly wonderful about being human or even a little bit Elvish. The applicability is rather obvious.
What I sense here is some are trying to bring the civility and thought of in person interaction to the discourse and that to quote Aragorn is 'most welcome'.
Incidentally Durin senior to Durin junior "You look terrible" Legolas to Aragorn on the latters return to Helm's Deep.
My Dear Bilbo something is the matter with you! you are not the same hobbit that you were.
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Noria
Hithlum
Sep 14 2024, 7:11pm
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I like Corey Olson too, for the same reasons.
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He has a war, even bubbly (public) personality, so maybe he comes across as too positive about RoP, for example, to some. But I like that he accepts that RoP is an adaptation, looks at what is on the screen and considers why the writers made the choices they did, even if he doesn’t think they were right.
Back in the day, I used to listen to his podcasts about The Hobbit.
IMO, at this stage there's no point in even reading/watching the opinions of those who dismiss RoP (or anything else) as complete trash. Not only are they repetitive, there is no place to meet to start a discussion.
It's a sad, sad thing that hate is more popular and lucrative than actual thought. I agree about the meteor.
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TFP
Menegroth
Sep 16 2024, 12:23pm
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He has a war, even bubbly (public) personality, so maybe he comes across as too positive about RoP, for example, to some. But I like that he accepts that RoP is an adaptation, looks at what is on the screen and considers why the writers made the choices they did, even if he doesn’t think they were right.
Back in the day, I used to listen to his podcasts about The Hobbit.
IMO, at this stage there's no point in even reading/watching the opinions of those who dismiss RoP (or anything else) as complete trash. Not only are they repetitive, there is no place to meet to start a discussion.
It's a sad, sad thing that hate is more popular and lucrative than actual thought. I agree about the meteor.
I don't listen to CO religiously [am I imagining it, or has his podcast switched from the usual feeds from being on YouTube only? I never find the time to sit down and watch long 'podcasts'] but he was very fair and balanced indeed on the first season, repeatedly saying how uncomfortable he was with Sauron popping up on a boat like that - not, as you say, because it wasn't 'canon', but because it didn't obviously make sense within the story, which is what matters.
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Noria
Hithlum
Sep 18 2024, 1:59pm
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I only noticed Olsen’s Rings and Realm programs on YouTube this season and don’t know if he still uses other formats. I usually listen to that kind of stuff while I’m doing other things.
On yesterday’s video Olson and another Tolkien scholar discussed Adar’s use of a particular pronunciation of a word fragment in his greeting in Quenya to Galadriel. Apparently, it's archaic and ultimately has to do with Feanor’s intractability. Their conclusion was that this couldn’t be an accident and probably indicates that Adar is very, very old, like Cirdan old. If they’re correct, the writers are going deeper into the lore than most fans will be able to follow, certainly this fan. But I like hearing about this stuff.
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Sep 18 2024, 2:21pm
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I only noticed Olsen’s Rings and Realm programs on YouTube this season and don’t know if he still uses other formats. I usually listen to that kind of stuff while I’m doing other things.
On yesterday’s video Olson and another Tolkien scholar discussed Adar’s use of a particular pronunciation of a word fragment in his greeting in Quenya to Galadriel. Apparently, it's archaic and ultimately has to do with Feanor’s intractability. Their conclusion was that this couldn’t be an accident and probably indicates that Adar is very, very old, like Cirdan old. If they’re correct, the writers are going deeper into the lore than most fans will be able to follow, certainly this fan. But I like hearing about this stuff.
Kelvarhin has written an article all about this topic. It's posted on the TORn homepage: https://www.theonering.net/...hibboleth-of-feanor/
“Hell hath no fury like that of the uninvolved.” - Tony Isabella
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Noria
Hithlum
Sep 18 2024, 5:29pm
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I enjoyed this interesting article.
Whatever the use of the "Feanorian Lisp" in RoP means, it certainly seems that somebody on the team knows their stuff.
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