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NecromancerRising
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Sep 7 2024, 1:57pm
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Fellowship of Fans 💍
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🚨The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power Season 2’s first 3-episode premiere becomes
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biggest opening weekend of the year,(764.7m) surpassing The Boys S4 (744.4m) in minutes watched.
Both shows had 3-episode premieres.
https://x.com/FellowshipFans/status/1832361588013006958
This is estimated of about 3.64 million viewers according to Variety.
Pretty good numbers, although i am not an expert to translate it
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NecromancerRising
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Sep 7 2024, 1:59pm
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Rings of Power’ Was the No. 2 Streaming Series Over Labor Day Weekend Following Netflix’s ‘Worst Ex Ever’
Season 2 of “The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power” was the second-most-watched streaming original series in the U.S. between Aug. 30 to Sept. 2 — the four days of Labor Day weekend — per Luminate.
This marked the season’s first weekend of streaming, but excludes its first day on Aug. 29. Amazon Prime Video has released three episodes so far, adding up to a cumulative 204-minute runtime. Therefore, the episodes’ 553.5 million minutes watched during that time translate to an estimate of 2.7 million views.
The only series to beat “The Rings of Power,” per Luminate’s measurement, was “Worst Ex Ever,” which reached 633.3 million minutes watched in the same amount of time. But because the Netflix series runs than the first three episodes of “Rings of Power,” running for 230 minutes, the two series were more even in terms of estimated views. “Worst Ex Ever” finished the weekend with 2.8 million views, calculated by dividing total time watched by the project’s runtime.
It’s likely that “Rings of Power” will continue to chart highly in the weeks to come, as there are five remaining episodes set to drop weekly on Thursdays, though Season 2 has had a slightly slower start compared to the series debut in 2022. Per Luminate, Season 1’s Labor Day opening brought in 1.2 billion minutes watched in four days, or 8.9 million estimated views when accounting for the 132-minute runtime of the two episodes that were initially made available. It’s to be expected that a major IP title would see a dropoff between Season 1 and 2 — a comparable title, HBO’s “House of the Dragon,” saw 7.8 million viewers with its second season opener compared to 10 million with its series premiere — though “Rings of Power’s” was steeper.
When asked about viewership goals and expectations ahead of the Season 2 premiere of “Rings of Power,” Vernon Sanders, head of U.S. and global TV for Amazon MGM Studios, emphasized to Variety that the company’s roughly $100 million to $150 million investment per season also operates to “drive people through all of the avenues of Amazon,” including retail and music. “We’re looking to bring people to the service and we’re hoping to get lots of signups again.”
It is not yet known whether Amazon will release proprietary data about “Rings of Power” Season 2 viewership, though further measurement from Luminate as well as Nielsen will provide a fuller picture in the weeks to come.
https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/rings-of-power-season-2-ratings-labor-day-1236130619/
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Hopefull Harfoot
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Sep 7 2024, 6:21pm
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Rotten tomatoes so far sees a continued strong critic response and improved audience response.
Season 1 - Critic 83% - Audience 38%
Season 2 - Critic 83% - Audience 58%
51 years since I first read The Lord of the Rings
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Archestratie
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Sep 7 2024, 7:01pm
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The first three episodes were pretty decent, especially to the casual fan. These results don't surprise me, and Variety is a much more reputable source than these other half-baked ratings agencies others have cited.
RoP2 seems like it's off to a good start. Episode 5 can't be as slow as Episode 4, though, or they're just going to end up losing their audience like they did last time.
My Low-Magic Fantasy Novel on eBook/hardback: The Huntsman and the She-Wolf
The Huntsman and the She-Wolf on audio Book.
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NecromancerRising
Hithlum
Sep 10 2024, 4:02pm
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With 40 million global viewers and counting, thank you to the fans for making The Rings of Power the #1 Prime Video show in the world.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/cM8fQqg9eFzagQVw/
But the only source I trust is Samba TV and the magazine which reproduced Samba TV, Forbes
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NecromancerRising
Hithlum
Sep 10 2024, 4:39pm
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And a more detailed reproduction
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https://deadline.com/2024/09/lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-season-2-viewership-amazon-1236083470/?fbclid=IwY2xjawFNVUBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHQPQAhv6VzOcSsDDovnKKqeU8l_ObTyuy-2T1NRDNGNMxzdjLIGveq3Uvw_aem_r0nE0d2M7gt0OL1opLZSLw
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Junesong
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Sep 10 2024, 5:45pm
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Not least because I want to see the five seasons. I'm loving what I've seen so far and want to see them tell their story. I'm not sure what the ratings threshold is to allow for that - what minimum numbers they'd still consider workable - but whatever it is, I hope we stay above it. I'll be mad if this thing gets pulled prematurely.
Looks like there's more eyeballs (and even goodwill!) than there are critics (or haters.) Time will tell.
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."
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Junesong
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Sep 11 2024, 2:37pm
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Might be a lazy assumption about the audience and counter-programming. It's possible they view Middle Earth as a great alternative for the people who aren't into sports.
While that may be true for me personally - it reflects a pretty outdated mode of cultural thinking. Although it was also a pretty standard way of programming for decades.
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."
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Eruonen
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Sep 11 2024, 6:34pm
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Very Bad News For ‘Rings Of Power’ Season 3, As Season 2 Viewership Plummets
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"Now compare this to data from Season 1, which also opened over Labor Day weekend two years ago. That brought in 1.2 billion minutes, or about 8.9 million estimated views with just two episodes available in contrast to Season 2’s three episodes.
Variety describes this as a “slightly slower start” but 2.7 is 30% of Season 1’s 8.9 million views—far less than half."
https://www.forbes.com/...viewership-plummets/
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OldestDaughter
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Sep 11 2024, 6:45pm
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My family and I have been watching them every Friday
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due to the work week and I rather enjoy an evening of Middle-earth. We have been watching them consistently and will continue to plan to. I'm excited for episode 5. I honestly wouldn't be against if they decided to not make five seasons, only because I'm not sure how much they can fill. I definitely think another season would be great, but I just wonder how five would do. But no matter what, I'll watch any chance I get at Middle-earth.
"Keen, heart-piercing was her song as the song of the lark that rises from the gates of night and pours its voice among the dying stars, seeing the sun behind the walls of the world; and the song of Lúthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed."
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DGHCaretaker
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Sep 11 2024, 10:44pm
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Due to the viewership numbers form 3rd-party sources (because one should not take on faith self-interested first-party claims), a reviewer says if it doesn't make it five season, it could be cancelled after the third.
They say watch for budget cuts and a reduction of episodes for Season 3 to seal its fate.
But I'm more in the camp that Bezos's ego makes it too big to fail, meaning expect five seasons, damn the icebergs and sunk costs.
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Eruonen
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Sep 11 2024, 10:47pm
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I agree, he will never throw in the towel.
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I keep hoping for it to improve, but so much has been distorted I don't think season 3 can correct course. Starting over would be the best option for those of us who care about the lore.
Bonfire of the vanities
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DwellerInDale
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Sep 12 2024, 3:43am
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Several articles published on the internet, including the Forbes piece, have made dire predictions for Season 3 based on some numbers released by several sources. The Forbes article, however, was written by Eric Kain, a bona fide The Rings of Power hater who has posted his own personal videos trashing the show, and thus he hardly qualifies as an unbiased reporter. The numbers he quotes are misleading due to the way the source data are interpreted.
Kain quotes a set of Labor Day weekend data from Luminate showing that the streaming minutes for The Rings of Power reached 553.5 million. He then divides that by the total number of minutes for the three-episode release and gets his number of views. What he doesn't tell you is that "Labor Day weekend" meant August 30th to September 2nd- i.e., starting one day after the August 29th Season 2 premiere. Luminate actually has The Rings of Power and Worst Ex Ever just about equal in terms of viewership, since the latter ran for more minutes, and thus they pretty much shared the top spot. When August 29th is included, the streaming numbers are of course higher. Including August 29th, it appears that the total viewership was actually about 66% of the Season 1 total during the same period. This would indicate something in the neighborhood of 750 million minutes, although we won't know the actual numbers until the Nielsen figures are released.
This makes sense. Any show like The Rings of Power is going to have a second season dropoff, at least initially. The same thing happened to House of the Dragon. How much of a dropoff? On the Prime Video site, 63% of viewers give ROP five stars out of five. The other categories have much lower scores, with the usual bimodal distribution, 21% giving the show one star. If you multiply the 1.2 billion streaming minutes from the season 1 premiere week by 0.63, you get 756 million minutes. So all this suggests that The Rings of Power established its fan base, that the fan base remains loyal, and that the number of fans is enough to make The Rings of Power the current #1 show for Amazon Prime. So no, the sky isn't falling.
Amazon has released internal data for global viewership for the first 11 days of Season 2 indicating 40 million viewers. Thus, ROP already ranks third all-time among Prime Video shows, even though only half of Season 2 has been released. Amazon also indicated that there were tens of millions of views of Season 1 episodes in the weeks leading up to the Season 2 premiere (if you doubt their honesty, streaming numbers did show ROP in the top 10 the week before the Season 2 premier).
Don't mess with my favorite female elves.
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NecromancerRising
Hithlum
Sep 12 2024, 4:04am
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Nerdrotic,Disparu and Erik Kain gave a huge possibility of cancelling the series. I cannot understand why you dont believe them. They are so unbiased,so decent,so crystal clear reviewers....
Jokes aside, and put things right... There are a lot of people out there disliking the show who are absolutely capable of writing factual critique and behaving in a respectful manner towards other fans and the people involved in the show.The problematic criticism on the other hand has no actual content. Those people l are not on social media to discuss a show they were excited about and now feel let down. Those people like you are here because they love what they do.Especially all these laughing smileys you see under serious comments is not something you do because you're disappointed. It's something that makes you feel superior to others. Insulting others is also something you do to feel superior. Every insult aims to devaluate others, giving the insulting person a delusion of superiority.Those feelings get enhanced by people sharing in. Being alone in a group and insulting someone or something feels pretty bad. But feeling like you're the majority hating on a minority feels pretty amazing to quite a lot of people. Bullying is a very human trait, after all, that works on the same principles.
Right now we can see a culture of hate spreading through social media. And it's not just RoP. The channels spreading the most hate tend to spread the same amount of hate about everything that is big enough to generate an audience. You have youtubers that started as "normal" reviewers who are now exclusively producing hate-videos (and earning much more money than they would earn with actual reviews...). Hate has an audience in itself.Hate pays.Those people are not "moving on", because they never actually arrived at the show. They're not in it for the actual content. They are solely here for a rather perverse demonstration of some of humanity's ugliest traits.
The saddest part is that some sheeps take their words as a holy grail and they keep repeating their arguments.We have some of them here as well.And instead of being quiet... having one slap after another in their predictions...they keep coming back more fierce, more toxic, with a perverted distortion of reality to fit in their stupid little heads.
"You cannot find peace by avoiding life"
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DGHCaretaker
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Sep 12 2024, 4:13am
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The saddest part is that some sheeps take their words as a holy grail and they keep repeating their arguments.We have some of them here as well.And instead of being quiet... having one slap after another in their predictions...they keep coming back more fierce, more toxic, with a perverted distortion of reality to fit in their stupid little heads.
Down with the negativity, right? This part of the post was unnecessary and probably close to the TOS line.
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NecromancerRising
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Sep 12 2024, 4:18am
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didnt react when i was attacked PERSONALLY with the phrase "foul shill" some days ago and you decided to answer to this one where i make a general and not specific observation. Double standards maybe? There is a reason i 99,9% choose to ignore the posts from some members and i am happy they verify me with flying colours. 
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DGHCaretaker
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Sep 12 2024, 4:33am
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I love how you didnt react when i was attacked PERSONALLY with the phrase "foul shill" some days ago and you decided to answer to this one where i make a general and not specific observation. Double standards maybe? There is a reason i 99,9% choose to ignore the posts from some members and i am happy they verify me with flying colours.
I made the effort to do a search for "foul shill" to see what happened to my brain in that case. It's possible I never read it, but I think I did. I was ready to admit, "Yeah, I might have objected if I were consistent." But reviewing it now, and knowing myself, I would simply have ignored it because it was devoid of any message body, warranting no attention. But I'll add now, I find it's a bit of humor actually intended to mock those you oppose.
Finally, I also might have skipped it because I have a bad attitude about posts that start their narrative in the subject heading instead of choosing a word or two to describe what's coming, like an email. It's a tedious practice that forces me to copy/paste when I want to provide a quote in full context.
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Noria
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Sep 12 2024, 4:36am
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This online hate culture thing is a mystery to me.
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Are people just that miserable? Why do they want to diminish the enjoyment of others.
I get that some people just hate RoP and want it to be cancelled or even just rebooted, but they might want to be careful what they wish for.
I believe that if RoP doesn’t measure up, it will be cancelled and that will be that. There’ll be no reboot, no try again. It seems likely to me that Amazon will be done with Middle-earth and the failure will put a chill on any other attempts elsewhere.
But RoP is not going to fail because of lack of fidelity to the lore. Only a small percentage of the many casual Tolkien fans watching the series care about that because most don’t know the lore. They know the movies and maybe the LotR and Hobbit books.
So I’m glad to hear that the sky isn’t falling.
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DGHCaretaker
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Sep 12 2024, 4:41am
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Are people just that miserable? Why do they want to diminish the enjoyment of others.
No, they want to get the attention of the production and writers to do a better job, in their opinions, now and in future productions. The more ignored and marginalized, the louder they become to compensate. Protestors of every cause do it all the time.
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Sep 12 2024, 4:42am
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(and to be honest, i really dont want to delve and analyse it considerably), that online hate has 95+% political colour. It is common knowledge what party and policy some of this famous/hate youtubers root for. While i dont live in America,and i am not an American, i have seen some of them in politics shows in the American TV,making just that...politics.
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NecromancerRising
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Sep 12 2024, 4:46am
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But unfortunately its not. Your argument applies only to a small minority out there who make as i said a very fair and legitimate critique.The vast majority,unfortuinately is only politics...!
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Junesong
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Sep 12 2024, 5:34pm
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Comments and shots across the bow
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A new article on Collider dives into the ROP - is it successful or is it about to be cancelled - discourse with a new article that I both love and also cringe at due to its incendiary nature.
Still, I agree wholeheartedly with the showrunner comments. For all the legitimate critics of this show there are also many many trolls who watch to hate and watch to hatepost.
I love any articles that seem to be underlining ROP's staying power. I want to see their five season story.
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."
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Michelle Johnston
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Sep 13 2024, 8:36am
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Are people just that miserable? Why do they want to diminish the enjoyment of others? No, they want to get the attention of the production and writers to do a better job, in their opinions, now and in future productions. The more ignored and marginalized, the louder they become to compensate. Protestors of every cause do it all the time.
If you know a creative artist (and I happen to be one but do not talk about my work here) you will know they have an overall vision for what they are trying to do, When they are in the creative process they draw people in to listen to or read early drafts. Often that generates a response and one that is entirely different to what the offered feedback proposes but it might be helpful.
When people critique my early work it is always from a point of acceptance of the overall premise and an attempt to make it better.
If as an artist I had written the screenplay for the ROP and I was looking for feedback I would not be listening to you or the other person here, not because you are not right, but because you do not accept the premise on which this story is based which is a reinvention of some sketches.
Carry on for the next six years repeating your point but I would be extremely surprised if the creatives behind this show would take any notice of you. I certainly would not. Your needs and what they are doing miss each other by several galaxies.
Now within their overall premise, I have criticisms and I am delighted to see practically everything I was concerned about in S1 has been course corrected. The pacing is better, the presentation is better, the acting is better and the reinvention of Mr Tolkien's vague ideas in this season is going nicely. One matter they are following the professor on is following stories for many screen moments and even episodes and then coming back to it more fully later. On the other hand, the crafting of the nine is going to lead to rings with specific and more terrifying qualities, that have now been set up and of course, it's not Lore but its highly communicable for this type of media.
And for those making observations about physical reality and whether it is geologically, or geographically coherent. This is a story where a 6,000-year-old woman wears a ring of power and trees and entire communities are reborn through their latent powers. Oh, and Trees talk.
Tolkiens lore is never far away from me. But this is like turning over a precious glass prism and looking at it from a different angle. The Glass remains untainted.
I hope that whatever drives people is not a need to be angry about just about everything. I will be 75 when this show finishes my greatest concern is not having taken ship. And for me, it makes up for the Hobbit, the Blue Rays were given away and I am at peace. In the end, it is another theme of the professors, it is about acceptance. Pharozon will not find it and will be played, as Aragorn, Arwen and Luthien were not.
I just can not believe the endless repetitive disappointment expressed is a good sign. I repeat it closure has to be good and healthy and sets one free. And here is the irony looked on from your point of view I agree with you. But I repeat I am looking at what is there not what is not.
When I was in Switzerland last month it was the number one show. That seemed fitting amongst the mountains.
My Dear Bilbo something is the matter with you! you are not the same hobbit that you were.
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Junesong
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Sep 13 2024, 11:44am
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As I read this post I kept nodding my head and thinking, "yes! exactly!" over and over again.
So well said.
"So which story do you prefer?"
"The one with the tiger. That's the better story."
"Thank you. And so it goes with God."
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