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hobbitlove
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Feb 14 2009, 3:42am
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LYRICS "The Road Goes Ever On"
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Welcome to LYRICS: Poetry and Emotion. These are ongoing discussions of the lyrics as written for Howard Shore's score for Peter Jackson's trilogy of movies, "The Lord of the Rings". For February we are happy to be discussing a favorite, "The Road Goes Ever On."
The info at Magpie's Nest is thorough and fairly complete, containing almost everything we need for our discussion. A million thanks, sib!!! We have copied most of it here. *If you see [brackets] these are notes added by us*
The Road Goes Ever On FOTR, Book 1, Chapter 1, A Long Expected Party This song was sung first by Gandalf as he arrives at the outskirts of Hobbiton and then later as Bilbo leaves Bag End and the Shire. In the FOTR TE, Gandalf sings the first four lines. In FOTR EE, Gandalf hums a line, sings the second, hums another, sings the fourth, then sings the first four lines again. Bilbo sings the first two lines and then the sound trails off as the scene changes. In the Complete Recordings, you can hear him sing all 4 lines. According to Ain't It Cool.com, Fran Walsh is credited for music. Bag End (CR-FOTR - Disc One - Track 3) Keep it Secret, Keep it Safe (CR-FOTR - Disc One - Track 7) Time stamps Music by Fran Walsh words by J.R.R. Tolkien Sung by Ian McKellen and Ian Holm. The Road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, And I must follow, if I can, Pursuing it with eager feet, Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet. And whither then? I cannot say. [Note: the last four lines are not used in the movies] FOTR, Book 1, Chapter 1, A Long Expected Party In the book, this is sung by Bilbo as he leaves Bag End and the Shire. A number of versions of this song exist in "The Hobbit" and "The Lord of the Rings" [see Wikipedia entry for more info]
A few questions: Well, what did you think, or rather, how did you feel when you heard Gandalf singing this familiar song? Any thoughts about our dear Bilbo's singing as he left? There is a difference in what is sung in the TE, the EE, and the complete recordings. Magpie's entry tells us what those differences are. Did you notice the differences? As described in the Wiki entry, there is often confusion about "The Road Goes Ever On" and "The Walking Song" and all there different versions. Please see our second post for a most informative and interesting entry about these songs from Wikipedia. Were you aware of the differences in the versions of each song?
Fran Walsh is credited with the music for this song. Nice! Did you know that Fran started out as a musician? Like to know more? [see note below] Thanks for taking a peek at LYRICS this month. Blessings to all who journey! Hobbitlove and OrdinaryHobbit
[Fran Walsh played in a punk rock band in Wellington during the 80's called The Wallsockets]
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hobbitlove
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Feb 14 2009, 3:51am
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"The Road Goes Ever On": More Info!
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FYI: A rather thorough, interesting, and fun entry in Wikipedia.
The Road Goes Ever On (song) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia *navigation, search: Middle-earth portal The Road Goes Ever On is a term that encompasses several walking songs that J. R. R. Tolkien wrote for his Middle-earth legendarium. Within the stories, the original song was composed by Bilbo Baggins and recorded in The Hobbit. Different versions of it also appear in The Lord of the Rings, along with some similar walking songs. Contents * 1 The Hobbit * 2 The Lord of the Rings * 3 Other walking songs * 4 Musical arrangements The Hobbit The original version of the song is recited by Bilbo in the last chapter of The Hobbit, at the end of his journey back to the Shire. Coming to the top of a rise he sees his home in the distance, and stops and says the following: Roads go ever ever on, Over rock and under tree, By caves where never sun has shone, By streams that never find the sea; Over snow by winter sown, And through the merry flowers of June, Over grass and over stone, And under mountains of the moon. Roads go ever ever on Under cloud and under star, Yet feet that wandering have gone Turn at last to home afar. Eyes that fire and sword have seen And horror in the halls of stone Look at last on meadows green And trees and hills they long have known. The Lord of the Rings There are three versions of this walking song in The Lord of the Rings. The first is sung by Bilbo when he leaves the Shire. He has given up the One Ring, leaving it for Frodo to deal with, and is setting off to visit Rivendell, so that he may finish writing his book. The Road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, And I must follow, if I can, Pursuing it with eager feet, Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet. And whither then? I cannot say. The second version is identical except for changing the word "eager" to "weary" in the fifth line. It is spoken aloud, slowly, by Frodo, as he and his companions pause at the borders of the Shire, looking beyond to lands that some of them have never seen before. The third version is spoken by Bilbo in Rivendell after the hobbits have returned from their journey. Bilbo is now an old, sleepy hobbit, who murmurs the verse and then falls asleep. The Road goes ever on and on Out from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, Let others follow it who can! Let them a journey new begin, But I at last with weary feet Will turn towards the lighted inn, My evening-rest and sleep to meet. Earlier, when leaving the Shire, Frodo tells the other hobbits Bilbo's thoughts on 'The Road': "He used often to say there was only one Road; that it was like a great river: its springs were at every doorstep, and every path was its tributary. 'It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out of your door,' he used to say. 'You step onto the Road, and if you don't keep your feet, there is no knowing where you might be swept off to.'". Other walking songs Similar changes in mood and words are seen in two versions of another walking song that uses the same metre and is also found in The Lord of the Rings. The first version, in the chapter 'Three is Company', is sung by the hobbits when they are walking through The Shire, just before they meet a company of elves. Three stanzas are given in the text, with the first stanza starting "Upon the hearth the fire is red...". The following extract is from the second stanza of the song. Still round the corner there may wait A new road or a secret gate, And though we pass them by today, Tomorrow we may come this way And take the hidden paths that run Towards the Moon or to the Sun. It is this part of the song that is reprised with different words later in the book. This new version is sung softly by Frodo as he and Sam walk in the Shire a few years after they have returned, and as Frodo prepares to meet Elrond and others and journey to the Grey Havens to take ship into the West. Still round the corner there may wait A new road or a secret gate, And though I oft have passed them by, A day will come at last when I Shall take the hidden paths that run West of the Moon, East of the Sun. The final line of the verse is a variant on the phrase "East of the Sun and West of the Moon", which is used in fairy-stories and similar tales to refer to another world that is fantastically difficult to reach — in this case Aman, which can only be reached by the Straight Road. An example of the use of this phrase is East of the Sun and West of the Moon, a fairy-story found in The Blue Fairy Book, a collection compiled by Andrew Lang. Musical arrangements The words of these songs have been set to music several times: * This song and several others were set to music by Donald Swann as part of the book and recording The Road Goes Ever On, named for this song. * A musical version of some sections of this song can be heard in the 1977 animated movie version of The Hobbit. * The song can be heard in the 1981 BBC radio version, sung by Frodo (Ian Holm) to a tune by Stephen Oliver. * A musical version of some sections of this song can be heard in the movie The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring by Gandalf in the opening scene, and also by Bilbo as he leaves Bag End. * The Tolkien Ensemble has set music the song as part of the now completed project of setting all poems in The Lord of the Rings to music. * The 2007 London stage adaptation of the Lord of the Rings has a traveling song called "The Road Goes On" but has different lyrics to the poem. Each of these settings is unrelated to the other musically. Happy Friday Sibs, and enjoy the weekend. hob and ohob http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_Goes_Ever_On_(song)
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weaver
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Feb 14 2009, 6:00pm
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I like the road imagery, and the Donald Swann version...
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What I really like about the "road" them in LOTR, is that the road doesn't change, but the "singer of the song" does, and each time, it reflects the particular relationship they have the road at that time, depending on who they are and where they at that point in the story. It's a wonderful, rich, metaphor that can be applied to many things themes in the book. I have the Donald Swann album on vinyl (!) and the songbook for the piano, so that version of the Road song is the one that seems like gospel to me. I was glad that they included it in the films, but it took me awhile to get used to the different melody...but both have a sort of meandering quality to them that fits the lyrics. Thanks for the bonus post to your post -- interesting stuff!
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weaver
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Feb 14 2009, 6:05pm
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I didn't know that Fran Walsh has a music background...
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Thanks for that info on her! I can see why she and Howard Shore hit it off so well -- they made a good team in terms of adding the lyrical pieces to the film -- they work like the poems in the book, to me, enhancing the main storyline and providing a different way into the tale and the layers to it. And once again, I love the nature images you included -- how long does it take you to find your illustrations? These are perfect!
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hobbitlove
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Feb 14 2009, 7:12pm
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I have the lovely Swann songbook (a personal treasure)
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Though we do not have a piano, we have keyboard and should try to play it to hear how it sounds. We're not skilled though. Is there a rendition of these tunes online to hear this melody? Oh, I'm sure there is. I'll go look for it. I just wanted to say that even being a newbie (having read the book only once before seeing FotR), I was geekily pleased to hear Gandalf, and later Bilbo, singing this little song. Even then, perhaps, though I understood little, I knew that Tolkien was about more than plot. Have to think about that. Cheers, Weaver. hob PS: Our local Tolkien society folk (a charming lad on the piano played and sang to lead us) did the whole songbook at the Baggins boys' birthday celebration last year. Fun! I don't remember the tunes, unfortunately - kind of a lyrics person, myself. LOL!
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hobbitlove
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Feb 14 2009, 8:04pm
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She is a most remarkable lady, I believe. She is the one person I should like most to meet in real life of all the folks who worked on the films. Indeed, one can imagine that Fran's and Howard's friendship was (and hopefully still is) of the warmest and deepest kind. One imagines two basically shy, even humble people, attracted to the quietude of the other - slipping into the corner away from the loud and boisterous 'boys' or the more intense Philippa. These two, Fran and Howard, are, IMhO, true geniuses, or at least wonderfully sensitive and creative people. They would find much to share, I think. And, often, just sitting at the kitchen table talking things over - I get a lovely mental picture of that. Nice. Anyhoo, thanks for the kind remarks about the pics. Tolkien always said he started with a name and the story followed. Maybe I start (or work from) a picture. Dunno. I am very visual (whatever that means). Sometimes, even though I think I know what is needed, I begin to feel that there's no order, or that everything is of equal importance. I don't know what I mean exactly. But, if I find a picture (and I look for them when I'm stuck on a post) it will calm me, and put everything in better order. Something like that. Does that make any sense? Some posts (like the OT Valentine), and sorry to go on about this, but it's something I hadn't thought about a lot and so it struck me today and I wanted to comment. Well, anyway, with some posts, it is just one word that I start with. The little ol' dictionary is a treasure trove of ideas. Etymological roots of a word create a picture (as opposed to philological roots, which create a whole story). A word can be like a beautiful picture to me. Not a chart or pie graph, as I see they think to do now, but definitions, roots, and derivations can have all the shades and colors of a word and create many ideas, a kind of thought picture which is feelings, emotions, and all sorts of background images. Oh, dear! I don't know if any of that makes sense. Sorry to go on. Words and pictures! Pretty much why we hang around here, isn't it? Cheers, my friend. Thanks for posting. hob
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weaver
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Feb 14 2009, 9:56pm
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I'd love to meet her as well...
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...maybe we can get to pour coffee when she and Howard Shore sit around the table sometime! Love your explanation of where you start with things -- one word, one image. Sounds like the way that sculptors can "see" a whole creation in a block of stone. Thanks for giving us a peek into the hob brain -- nice place you have in there, with all those pretty pictures on the walls! The inside of my brain is a lot messier!
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Elven
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Feb 15 2009, 3:21am
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I often hum the tune if Im working in the garden The first time I noticed the song was in the theatre and I nearly stood up and gave it a standing ovation just because I recognized it had been included It was such a geeky moment for me. It was so 'right' to hear Gandalf singing it. It is one of the few songs I know off by heart. and I also am a huge fan of Fran too. What an amazing artist she is! Thanks hobbitlove and OrdinaryHobbit  Cheers Elven x
Swishtail. Tolkien was a Capricorn!! Russell Crowe for Beorn!! Avatar: Liberace - The other Lord of the Rings. Quote of The Week: The thing is I always write in the morning, and I know that if I go to the Net I won’t write ... you can start in the most scholarly website and end up at Paris Hilton dot com .. GdT
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Feb 15 2009, 8:57am
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I've sung this to myself and my boyfriend (much to his bemusement) several times. It's a nice tune and the lyrics are quite poignant to me as I'm only 23 and have a long life (I hope) ahead of me! HL, the seventh photo down looks a lot like Dartmoor National Park close to where I live. Where is it?
Brian Blessed for Thorin! Formerly known as Rosie!
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OhioHobbit
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Feb 16 2009, 10:09pm
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I have loved “the road goes ever on” songs ever since I first read them. I had never heard them put to music, so they had been more like poems to me. There were four moments in FOTR that felt like, well, like going home again, if that makes any sense. One was Gandalf singing “The road goes ever on and on.” Another was Gandalf driving up to Bag End in his cart. A third was Gandalf looking at the map of the Lonely Mountain and the fourth was Bilbo singing “The road goes ever on and on” as he walked away from Bag End. Those songs have special meaning to Alcarcalime and me. I have mentioned this before. When we got married, 22 years ago, we had lines from the songs inscribed on the inside of our wedding rings. Inside mine is “The road goes ever on and on” and inside hers is “Let them a journey new begin.”
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grammaboodawg
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Feb 17 2009, 3:37pm
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Oh.... this is my favourite song!
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and Poem. Actually, Frodo's version he sings as they ride to the Havens has a verse that I'm making into a plaque for the wall then eventually (not to be maudlin) mark my place forever ;) I actually like the TE version better without out little musical diddy with it. The diddifying is fine and all... but I like the simplicity of Gandalf just tootling to himself. I think it's a grand binding of music to the lyrics, though. I've heard different versions in the various other adaptations, but this one did hit me as perfect the first time I heard it. They have Bilbo singing a few lines of it in the Soundtracks :) I had forgotten that Fran had a music background! She's definitely the one who brought the eye for finery and art to the films. This is wonderful, hob! *warmest hug* I love these Lyrics Looks! :D
"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..." I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world. TORn's Observations Lists
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Feb 17 2009, 3:42pm
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I'm always captured by Frodo's quiet resignation and mood when he's singing this last version... especially because Sam is nearby and hears him singing it. Still Hobbity Frodo is here where his heart is moved to song. I don't think that happened very often after their return. Look at all of these variations with such subtle changes. That, to me, is the mark of a brilliant piece of work. That so many would focus on this poetry means it speaks to them about the characters, the situations, and the emotions that ties all of it together. Thanks again to you hob, and to Magpie! *cuts, pastes* This warms my heart :)
"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..." I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world. TORn's Observations Lists
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Zmulady
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Feb 18 2009, 7:22pm
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I hadn't noticed the difference
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but now I have to check it out. I hum that song too when I am walking my dog. Only in the summer or spring time for some reason, and not in the winter. Agreed...Fran is awesome!
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sara
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Feb 25 2009, 3:28am
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This is definitely my favorite song/poem from all of the books. I absolutely love it! It just gives me a feeling of comfort. My favorite is the "Pursuing it with eager feet...And whither then I cannot say" version, but they all just sound so pleasant and familiar and comforting to me. In the movies, I think this song is one of the main reasons FOTR is my favorite of the three movies. When I hear Gandalf singing it as he rides in his horse it makes me so happy! Having that sense of familiarity and knowing the journey is about to start once more(yes, it's going to start for Frodo...but I meant for me!). Then to hear Bilbo singing it on his way to Rivendell... I'm not a musician and I don't know much about notes or clefts(if that is what they're called), but I DO love music and love the way it can affect your mood and, in the case of a movie, how it affects your feelings about what your watching. The music used in the scene where Gandalf rides up on his cart goes hand in hand with all of those feelings I just described. It's just perfect imo. These scenes are why FOTR EE discs have two practically permanent spots in my dvd player.
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