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Why is Bilbo the same height as the dwarves here?
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kzer_za
Menegroth

Sep 10 2012, 1:11pm

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Why is Bilbo the same height as the dwarves here? Can't Post

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qbPu7rzJLlo/UErvxemP_3I/AAAAAAAABZ8/cpSzPgZVf5M/s587/BowaA.jpg

After all the work they put into emphasizing height differences in LotR, I hope they haven't slacked off with it this time...


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Dor-Lomin


Sep 10 2012, 1:35pm

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I just thought the same [In reply to] Can't Post

Yea, but as far as I have seen until now in the pictures, Bilbo appears besides de "minor" dwarves in most of them. Maybe the other ones will emphazise this difference in height. I mean Thorin and the other lead dwarves. But I would liked to see Bilbo shorter than the rest because for me that would worked better in making that sentiment of inferiority bigger.

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Carne
Dor-Lomin

Sep 10 2012, 1:45pm

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Because if not there would have been an awful lot of green screen work [In reply to] Can't Post

Martin Freeman is also the shortest out of the company, standing at 5'7.

In the trilogy they messed up by showing Gimli much taller than the the hobbits (green screen) and only a couple of inches taller (Rhys-Davies' actual height compared to Wood etc).

Some examples;
http://i.imgur.com/mZ27s.jpg
http://corecanvas.s3.amazonaws.com/...riginal/pdvd_065.jpg


(This post was edited by Carne on Sep 10 2012, 1:49pm)


DanielLB
Elvenhome


Sep 10 2012, 1:59pm

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It's a conspiracy [In reply to] Can't Post

The Dwarves are the same height as Bilbo, not the other way round. Wink

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DanielLB
Elvenhome


Sep 10 2012, 2:00pm

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I had never noticed before. [In reply to] Can't Post

I would say thanks ... but it just means I'm going to be looking out for Gimli's ever changing height when I next watch the trilogy! Sly

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Arandir
Mithlond


Sep 10 2012, 2:09pm

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It's probably due to two reasons [In reply to] Can't Post

The first one being that most of the photos released lately, all seem to be from a 'behind-the-scenes' point of view rather than a screenshot from the actual film (hint: notice the tracking marks on the rocks where Thorin is seen looking back at ... wargs?).

The second reason is that in that photo, the dwarves have a bigger stature than that of Bilbo's - thus marking some considerable difference between the two.


tolktolk
Menegroth

Sep 10 2012, 2:32pm

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He's not ... [In reply to] Can't Post

If you look at where their feet are, he is behind them. I remember seeing this scene in one of the production videos and they drag Bilbo back from the front and surround him. They don't need any special effects for this - in real life James Nesbitt is a lot taller than Martin Freeman.


DanielLB
Elvenhome


Sep 10 2012, 2:36pm

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Vlog 4 [In reply to] Can't Post

Here's a screencap

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DarkJackal
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Sep 10 2012, 2:44pm

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From what I understood [In reply to] Can't Post

In scenes between the dwarves and Bilbo they would be using their normal heights, with no need for green-screen or standing on boxes etc.


DanielLB
Elvenhome


Sep 10 2012, 2:46pm

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Hang on .... [In reply to] Can't Post

That looks like Kazinsky not O'Gorman as Fili!

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Carne
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Sep 10 2012, 3:04pm

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Do you think they'll digitally add O'Gorman's face? [In reply to] Can't Post

I imagine it must be pretty obvious that it's not him when the movie hits cinemas, especially with 48fps.


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DanielLB
Elvenhome


Sep 10 2012, 3:06pm

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They re-filmed Aragorn scenes didn't they? [In reply to] Can't Post

When Townsend was replaced with Viggo. Perhaps they'll scrap this scene? They could put his face on digitally - if they're doing Saruman they can do him at the same time. Wink

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Bombadil
Gondolin


Sep 10 2012, 3:26pm

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Your ScreenCap is really interesting.. [In reply to] Can't Post

At least 6 elves in the Background and the One standing next to
Gandalf looks a lot like Linder? (Brett McKenzie)
I'm really interested in Why they ARE...so huttled... Together ?
Ideas...?

Bomby


DanielLB
Elvenhome


Sep 10 2012, 3:38pm

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I think it is Lindir too Bomby [In reply to] Can't Post

And they're all probably having a look, as the Dwarves have just arrived.

Perhaps they are tra-la-la-lallying Wink

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imin
Doriath


Sep 10 2012, 3:49pm

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I thought dwarves were meant to be taller than hobbits? [In reply to] Can't Post

With dwarves being is it 4-5ft tall and hobbits around 3.5ft tall?


painjoiker
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Sep 10 2012, 3:55pm

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In most photos they are taller than Bilbo ;) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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imin
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Sep 10 2012, 4:00pm

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Its a good thing to! :P [In reply to] Can't Post

Should be that case as M.Freeman is the shorter actor unless he is going around with really thick fake feet on, lol.

To me the heights of them seem fine and i think no one will even notice when they are all moving about on screen and our attention is on the story not relative heights of the characters :P


Bombadil
Gondolin


Sep 10 2012, 4:24pm

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The Dwarves huge Boots probably added [In reply to] Can't Post

a couple of inches to each one's height.


DanielLB
Elvenhome


Sep 10 2012, 4:29pm

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I wonder how much they filmed with Kazinsky then [In reply to] Can't Post

He's here as well.

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Carne
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Sep 10 2012, 4:46pm

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Ori scale double is as tall as Kili scale double [In reply to] Can't Post

While Adam Brown is noticeably shorter than Aidan Turner.

Crazy


DanielLB
Elvenhome


Sep 10 2012, 4:52pm

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They didn't think that one through ;-) / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Ref
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Sep 10 2012, 4:59pm

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Actually that's wrong. [In reply to] Can't Post

John Rhys-Davis is 6"1 whereas Elijah Wood is only 5"6. And I thought PJ et al said that they didn't have to use greenscreen with the hobbits and Gimli in the same shot, due to the height difference between the actors involved.

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Carne
Dor-Lomin

Sep 10 2012, 5:01pm

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They didn't use green screen for Gimli and the dwarves [In reply to] Can't Post

But you can clearly tell they did in the Rivendell shot.

Here's a photo of Rhys-Davies and Wood at the TT premiere: http://www.exposay.com/...-arrivals-0Ab4D4.jpg


(This post was edited by Carne on Sep 10 2012, 5:05pm)


GoodGuyA
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Sep 10 2012, 5:44pm

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I really hope the height difference is greater in the final product [In reply to] Can't Post

I love the dichotomy of the races of Middle-Earth, and just having the dwarves be (mostly) Bilbo's height would be a crying shame. They should be ducking in Bag End! In some pics it looks liek a good diversity in height, in some pics it doesn't. I hope all is rectified come the film premiere.


Carne
Dor-Lomin

Sep 10 2012, 5:45pm

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Thorin and Dwalin will have to duck through the Bag End doorways. [In reply to] Can't Post

Not sure about the rest.

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