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Thrain II
Lorien


Oct 24 2015, 9:42pm

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As Dain calls them, so what are they? Do we have any historical reference to such weapons? We see them fired from ballistas, but that's about it. What do you guys think? And what do you think about the scene they are used in? Smile


Hobbity Hobbit
Lorien


Oct 24 2015, 9:52pm

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I think you might of mixed up his insult with the weapons! He doesn't mention the name of the weapons, and I'm pretty sure they were made up! I'm not sure though, I'll go check now. And I really loved that scene.

"Obviously the idea of being human is a very human idea."
-Dominic Monaghan


LSF
Gondor

Oct 24 2015, 9:55pm

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That is what he called them Tongue

The design team did invent it, and couldn't think of another name for them, so I guess that's officially what they're called Cool


Hobbity Hobbit
Lorien


Oct 24 2015, 9:59pm

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Which scene is that! Definitely did not notice that, I thought you were talking about the twiddly widdly insult, or I might of heard something wrong in the movie! Or was this in the Appendices?

"Obviously the idea of being human is a very human idea."
-Dominic Monaghan


LSF
Gondor

Oct 24 2015, 10:05pm

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"There! How do you like the old twirly-whirlies?" Something like that


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Oct 24 2015, 10:14pm

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I am guessing that the projectiles were large bolts designed to spin when fired that probably had light chains (2? 3?) attached near the head that would destroy incoming arrows. We will probably get confirmation of the design in the second Hobbit Chronicles book for TH:BotFA.


Now we need the MythBusters to replicate and test the weapon to see if it could actually work!

"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock


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Gondor

Oct 24 2015, 10:18pm

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That's pretty much what they said in the appendices. Though there are four/chains blades that spin out.

Oh that would be fun to see mythbusters try Cool


Thrain II
Lorien


Oct 24 2015, 10:23pm

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any known historical references on that? Or it's purely their invention. Smile

I would love to see this tested in mythbusters. Cool


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Oct 24 2015, 10:24pm

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I'm sure that a single chain would not work; it would through the projectile off its trajectory. Sure, why not four?


There is apparently going to be just one more season of MythBusters. I am hoping for a special Hobbit movies-themed episode, but we'll see.

"At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Oct 24 2015, 10:30pm

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Historically, specialty ammunition was developed for destroying the rigging of ships. That might be the closest equivalent. From Wikipedia:

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  • Chain-shot - Two iron balls joined together with a chain. This type of shot was particularly effective against rigging, boarding netting and sails since the balls and chain would whirl like bolas when fired.
  • Bar shot - Two balls or hemispheres joined by a solid bar. Their effect was similar to chain shot.
  • Expanding bar shot - Bar shot connected by a telescoping bar which extended upon firing.
  • Link shot - A series of long chain links which unfolded and extended upon firing.


  • "At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock

    (This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Oct 24 2015, 10:31pm)


    mirkwoodwanderer
    Lorien

    Oct 24 2015, 10:30pm

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    not the weapong


    Otaku-sempai
    Immortal


    Oct 24 2015, 10:33pm

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    The OP is asking about the weapons, not the name.

    "At the end of the journey, all men think that their youth was Arcadia..." - Phantom F. Harlock


    mirkwoodwanderer
    Lorien

    Oct 24 2015, 10:33pm

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    How do you like that, you'all T.W


    mirkwoodwanderer
    Lorien

    Oct 24 2015, 10:35pm

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    (Baroel Qatar..) I think it means fire the Qatar.


    Bofur01
    Lorien


    Oct 24 2015, 10:35pm

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    Bofur01
    Lorien


    Oct 24 2015, 10:36pm

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    mirkwoodwanderer
    Lorien

    Oct 24 2015, 10:38pm

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    i've been playing it several times now.. and hear what i wrote above

    a twirly whily is nothing but a hanging :(!) decoration.


    LSF
    Gondor

    Oct 24 2015, 10:47pm

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    "Hey! How do you like that, you old twirly-whirlies?"

    But I heard "the old.." the 3 times I've watched it Tongue

    But I think the appendices did say that's the name of the weapon, because the design team couldn't think of another name, which I find great, because I don't know what else I would call it Wink


    Thrain II
    Lorien


    Oct 24 2015, 11:00pm

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    I heard about those. Interesting find, thank you! Smile

    EDIT: and yes, that's what I hear also, "the old twirly whirlies".


    (This post was edited by Thrain II on Oct 24 2015, 11:04pm)


    Avandel
    Half-elven


    Oct 24 2015, 11:25pm

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    Unless Thranduil never fought dwarves before. But he's like 3,000 years old...he must have heard of dwarf defenses? Or maybe since the EE seems to emphasize Thranduil having a huge army he is just mad the dwarves are fighting back, and effectively?Unsure

    Anyway, twirly whirlies is fine by me - am sure the the dwarves have a secret name for them. I love themHeart. I love the sound they made and the whole scene - Thranduil blowing attitude *snigger* "sell it" and then Dain showing up - Thranduil looking like he stepped out of a mythology book and badass dwarves...awesome IMO.CoolHeart


    LSF
    Gondor

    Oct 24 2015, 11:31pm

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    Maybe the twirly-whirlies are a new Dain/Iron Hills invention. Effective against arrows, flying enemies, and ground troops.


    ProudFeet
    The Shire

    Oct 24 2015, 11:55pm

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    "Hey, how do you like that, you old twiddly widdlies."

    Twiddly means being decorative, especially in an unnecessary way. So Dain is just ridiculing their flamboyant and foppish Elven appearance. The weapons are never named. I just thought they were bladed ballista bolts.


    Susan
    Bree


    Oct 25 2015, 2:12am

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    since if it was "the old," that would imply that Thranduil would have seen them before (and probably not have looked so surprised).


    (This post was edited by Susan on Oct 25 2015, 2:13am)


    LSF
    Gondor

    Oct 25 2015, 2:15am

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    Some people say "the old..." as slang, that doesn't actually mean the thing is old. So either way makes sense to me

    And if he did mean it was old, that doesn't mean thranduil had seen it before


    (This post was edited by LSF on Oct 25 2015, 2:17am)


    nusilver
    Rohan


    Oct 25 2015, 2:38am

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    "There! How do you like the old twirly-whirlies?" Something like that


    He actually said "how do you like that, you old twiddly widdly?" As an insult to Thranduil. One of the funniest new lines, IMO, and the one I remembered most from the first screening. Having seen the EE a few times now, I can say for a fact he insulted Thranduil and did not name the weapons in English - BUT, he does say something in Khuzdul (Dwarvish) when he unleashes them, and I assume he names them then.

    "It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer." - Samwise

    (This post was edited by nusilver on Oct 25 2015, 2:45am)

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