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Mithlond
Feb 22 2016, 5:08pm
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"these films are a laughing stock and are piled up in $5 bins in every store I walk into that sells movies."
You know that's how the marketplace works, right? Things are most expensive when they come out, then the price drops over the course of time. So by your logic, any great video game I've played is bad because it is now half-price or less than when it came out 2+ years ago (which is the expected price/time drop for games)? Also, going by the Amazon prices, the 15$ and less prices are for the dvd versions, not the Bluray, probably because dvd is being phased out in favor of Bluray.
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Gandalf the Green
Ossiriand
Feb 22 2016, 6:10pm
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My opinion is that your opinion is false and that my opinion of your opinion is the truth.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Nargothrond
Feb 22 2016, 6:47pm
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"And you can trust me. Because I don't care enough about you to lie."
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dormouse
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Feb 23 2016, 12:01am
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They are a disgrace and a stain on the prestigious LOTRS films. And deep down you all know this. Deep down I know nothing of the sort. Deep down - and on every other level you can name (and a few you can't) I know that for me these are beautiful films which I watch with pleasure and a sense of wonder - and with awe at the skills that went into their creation.
You have no right whatever to assume that you know what the rest of us 'really' think. Can we be completely clear on this once and for all. I, for one, ABSOLUTELY LOVE The Hobbit and LORD OF THE RINGS and will continue to do so no matter what you or anyone else says on the subject.
And please note that I haven't suggested that you really love The Hobbit deep down, since it's blatantly obvious that you don't. How about extending the same courtesy to the rest of us?
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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wizzardly
Nargothrond
Feb 23 2016, 12:13am
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I was in walmart shopping for snuggies and I saw one of the those big wire bins filled with copies of the hobbit and Jeff Dunham dvds.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Nargothrond
Feb 23 2016, 12:33am
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I saw "Goodfellas" in the $7 bin at Walmart about a month ago
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Do you have a point you're making?
Again, I have yet to see one of the EE's for less than $20 - this includes trade-in/used stores like The Exchange.
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wizzardly
Nargothrond
Feb 23 2016, 12:37am
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No, I was just sharing what I saw on my last trip to walmart.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
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Feb 23 2016, 12:49am
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When I went I saw a child so large I thought to myself, "It should be child abuse letting your kid eat that much."
But we should probably stay on topic, so when I went to Walmart I thought I saw Bombur.
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wizzardly
Nargothrond
Feb 23 2016, 12:54am
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its really not that uncommon to see children with mutton chops in walmart surprisingly
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Nargothrond
Feb 23 2016, 1:05am
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It always ends up making me sad. But then I saunter into the ice cream aisle and eat until I'm happy again.
... like Bombur?
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Nargothrond
Feb 23 2016, 1:13am
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Middle-earth has ice cream, right?
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Rocky Road to Mordor?
Rainbow Leaves of Mirkwood?
Maybe... Horse Elk Moose Tracks?
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Intergalactic Lawman
Nargothrond
Feb 23 2016, 2:56am
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...are in a sale bin.
The Lord of the Rings films are still on the shelf with great covers and their own decorated area 10 + years after their release!!
I get it, some of you feel this crazy sense of blind loyalty to PJ and want to love theses films - so you convinced yourself they are great! (There are actually people out there that rate the Star Wars Prequels too  )
By the way - How did the great Hobbit films compare to LOTRS at the Oscars?? *cue a million excuses from the 12 Hobbit fans*
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Nargothrond
Feb 23 2016, 3:31am
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Um, all three theatrical "LotR"s ARE in the $5 DVD bin at Walmart...
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Out of the two of us, only one must be blind when we talk about these movies and, hint: it is the one who didn't know this fact (and misunderstands how retail price changes over time, regardless of the film).
To add: "Citizen Kane" didn't win Best Picture in 1941. "The Departed," however, did in 2007. Is any self-respecting cinephile supposed to prefer Scorsese's worst over Welles' best?
I know it may be tough to believe, but there are people who love these movies, sincerely. I'm one of them. You can't pretend to begin to be on a waiting list for the position to see into whether or not what I say is genuine.
And to that I say: check the signature.
"And you can trust me. Because I don't care enough about you to lie."
- Parks and Recreation
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wizzardly
Nargothrond
Feb 23 2016, 3:32am
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You see, what probably happened was that the Academy probably reasoned that PJ had already had his day in the sun, and decided its only fair to give the awards to someone else this year....either that, or they were just really horrible movies.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Nargothrond
Feb 23 2016, 3:43am
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They didn't set the critics ablaze like the first trilogy. "Citizen Kane"s response on release wasn't very great either. Not comparing the two in terms of quality, but perspective is important, especially in a pond severely lacking any.
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Mithlond
Feb 23 2016, 3:52am
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from what i understand of the oscars and other awards like it, there's too much politics involved for me to take it seriously. Yeah, it's always nice when something i like wins something, but its hardly proof something sucks for not winning or being nominated for anything.
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Mithlond
Feb 23 2016, 4:23am
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When I see people phasing through walls, floating objects, and dead bodies having seizures on the ground in these movies, I'll call it video game effects 
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Nargothrond
Feb 23 2016, 4:32am
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A TON finds its basis in politics
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Studios (corporations) will often lobby with the promise of financial gain if the Academy will sponsor their film (candidate) by giving them an Oscar.
Crash won the award for Best Picture of 2005.
Crash.
Munich (one of Spielberg's best adult efforts) came out in 2005. So did A History of Violence. And The Squid and the Whale. And the surprisingly good Hustle and Flow. Also Broken Flowers. Howl's Moving Castle premiered in America this year. Hell, while we're at it, the decent Brokeback Mountain and Pride and Prejudice also opened.
Yet Crash, a worthless, superficial, 'look-how-not-racist-we-are-by-suggesting-everyone-is-racist-at-the-convenience-of-the-plot' (save the filmmakers, naturally), flip-flopping, dishonest on a philosophical level, engineered to appeal to the lowest common "I don't do that kind of stuff!" denominator, horribly acted (Ludacris and a Sandra Bullock performance below that of Speed), pandering to an all-white Academy pandering the the African-Americans in the U.S., piece of s*** film was awarded highest honors. This was the year I vowed to never watch another ceremony and I haven't now for going on 10 years worth of these meaningless pat-on-the-backs Hollywood likes to give themselves.
If we're judging The Hobbit based on quality and using the Oscars as a barometer, we need to try again.
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AshNazg
Hithlum
Feb 23 2016, 4:33am
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https://youtu.be/iknX5I9xUxM?t=39s
I think it doesn't matter about the quality or realism of the CGI. It's all about quantity and technique.
When you composite video into a CGI environment or when you cut back and forth from filmed footage to CGI, it's equally as jarring as cutting from RED Epic cameras to GoPro in the barrel sequence. The two visuals look different and we notice it and it feels wrong.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
Nargothrond
Feb 23 2016, 4:38am
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No it is not equally as jarring
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Posting a video that samples celluloid put against that of an actual video game proves nothing whatsoever. Except, maybe, that you do not understand what goes into a film's special effects (the techniques, budgets, recording equipment, layering, motion capture, work force, etc. are not the same and are not reaching to achieve the same goal).
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QuiteALittleFellow
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Feb 23 2016, 5:54am
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I think there's some issues with the effects, but for the most part, it's great, and I never minded it. There's a few shots that look CGI, some of the green screen that didn't quite work, and there's the stone surrounding the gold statue in Erebor that looks WAY too smooth, like something out of the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
My main issue is that PJ relied TOO MUCH on CGI and not practical effects. Look at LOTR, and there's CGI, but there's not an huge reliance on it. I sort of shook my head when they had all these actors dressed up as orcs, and just say "Ya know what? Let's just CGI them." Why not just CGI the heads?
It reminds me of Lucas and the Prequel trilogy where it's 90% CGI, except I have to say, this looks a lot better, and they still kept it less than those films (and I actually enjoyed these movies, whereas I have no desire to see the prequels again).
I understand some things MUST be CGI to work: Smaug, trolls, spiders, epic action scenes to an extent, but LOTR seemed like there was a focus to try to use as much practical sets and items as possible.
"You're only quite a little fellow, in a wide world after all."
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dormouse
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Feb 23 2016, 9:00am
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I bought 'Gladiator' and 'The Princess Bride'
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..from the sale bin in Sainsbury's. Are they bad films too?
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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Intergalactic Lawman
Nargothrond
Feb 23 2016, 11:03am
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They are both good films. You obviously missed my point...
Both those films are at least 15+ years old (I think The Princess Bride is much older actually) BUT the Hobbit cartoons are only a few years old and are already relegated to the sale bins because they just...aren't...any...good.
Had Peter Lucas actually collaborated with fellow artists and not done an immature vanity project that included every fart joke, snot gag and nudity scene he could think of - We might be having a different conversation!
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Smaug the iron
Mithlond
Feb 23 2016, 12:42pm
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Had Peter Lucas actually collaborated with fellow artists and not done an immature vanity project that included every fart joke, snot gag and nudity scene he could think of - We might be having a different conversation! There is only one nudity scene in the film because there was one in the book as well so PJ is just true to the book, and I have seen the hobbit trilogy many times and have never seen one fart joke in the film plus there is only one snot gag in the films.
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Otaku-sempai
Elvenhome
Feb 23 2016, 12:52pm
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There is only one nudity scene in the film because there was one in the book as well so PJ is just true to the book, and I have seen the hobbit trilogy many times and have never seen one fart joke in the film plus there is only one snot gag in the films.
I have no desire to defend Avnar, but the nudity in the book is not for comic effect and does not take place in an elven fountain. I'm sure that Elrond's folk in Rivendell would have been perfectly willing to draw baths for Thorin's company. I admit that I have never been happy with the more cartoony action sequences such as the catwalk escape from Goblin Town and Bofur's wild barrel-attack in the barrel escape--not to mention Legolas' most outrageous stunts.
Even so, I can't work up anything close to the level of vitriol that Avnar seems to feel.
"Things need not to have happened to be true.
Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure
when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
- Dream of the Endless
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