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Noria
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Feb 18 2016, 2:16pm
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Avnar, obviously you have not forgotten these films. And Baaa...
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As TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense said, DOS and BOTFA didn't die at the box office after the "disappointment" of AUJ. They did very well, which means people liked them. I understand that all TH movies sold well on BluRay/DVD as well. Many people who liked them in the theatre then bought them.
So your view that these movies are atrocious is probably a minority opinion because a lot pf people liked them. Mind, I am not saying that popularity equates quality; it just means that people enjoyed them.
In my opinion we who post on internet discussion board about movies and such are pretty much the lunatic fringe of fandom. You can't tell a thing about popularity or quality or anything else from such a relatively small sample of the population at large.
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wizzardly
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Feb 18 2016, 11:54pm
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But, unfortunately I cannot forget them so easily...the cringeworthy moments have burned their mark into my mind. Fortunately however, I had the good sense to not see the third one after seeing the second, so I suppose it could be worse. sigh
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CathrineB
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Feb 19 2016, 10:40am
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In 'The Hobbit' I think it is the smaller moments of CGI that are best. By small I mean where the CGI is truly focused on one thing and not a whole battlefield. Gollum, Smaug, Azog (for the most part), that troll in Dale in "BotfA EE" look amazing. Absolutely perfect.
But I think it tends to get bloated and odd in the battle scenes. The effects themselves probably isn't too bad, but is made look worse with that dreamy fluffy filter that seem to cover the scene.
I just don't get it. Movies like "Avengers" etc I think make the larger CGI scene effectively and without a hitch for the most part. Why didn't The Hobbit? Maybe because Marvel don't seem to drown in that awful filter that just makes everything look off?
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Loresilme
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Feb 20 2016, 7:45pm
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I liked 'em  .
Anyone else? A few more and we can leave for Erebor... who shall be the 14th member of the company  ?
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Gandalf the Green
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Feb 21 2016, 12:01am
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I'm not sure which statistics are accurate.
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I've talked to dozens of people in real life about The Hobbit, and the only few people (two or three) who thought they were good were people who thought the LOTR films were only about fighting (ironic) or who liked the way some of the dwarves looked. And those were dozens of people from various walks of life of which many of them thought they were disappointing films, whether mildly disappointing or heavily disappointing, still disappointing. And all Hobbit DVDs keep ending up on clearance shelves as far as I've seen. So how do we determine which statistics are true? The fact that it's called "The Hobbit" and that it's tied to the LOTR trilogy helps, because if these two facts had been untrue, nobody would've remembered or even cared about The Hobbit. Now they get a free pass from people, mostly because they're linked to three masterpieces of cinema and Tolkien's works. People can deny this all they want, but it's simply true.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
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Feb 21 2016, 12:08am
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Nothing gets a free pass, unless one revels in denial, and I won't speak for those cute and special people.
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Feb 21 2016, 12:18am
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I think you can "prove" anything with anecdotal evidence. For instance, most people in my age group who I've talked to about the Hobbit book (either having read it for a middle/high school book report or for fun) said they thought it was boring, dull, dumb in some parts... How can I reconcile the overall book's popularity based on what all my friends and former classmates over my school years said?
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Gandalf the Green
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Feb 21 2016, 12:23am
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"So how do we determine which statistics are true?"
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Gandalf the Green
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Feb 21 2016, 12:26am
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Then I do wonder how many people would've been a fan of The Hobbit films, had they been called something entirely different and had nothing at all to do with Tolkien or the LOTR films.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
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Feb 21 2016, 12:41am
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I'm not sure what that has to do with anything
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What's in a name? A good book is a good book, a good movie is a good movie, a good song is a good song and no work of art has to masquerade as another from a different medium to achieve it. Exceedingly simple stuff.
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Noria
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Feb 21 2016, 10:13pm
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Anecdotal evidence is worthless, except for getting validation for one’s own opinions.
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I could cite all the people I talked to who liked TH movies but that is also worthless.
There is really no way to objectively determine how good or bad The Hobbit movies are. It is all subjective, all opinion. What some people taken as given, others dispute, what some love and enjoy other people dislike.
Even critics are operating out of a certain mind set and are not truly objective; nor are the awards committees. How can they be: they are talking about art. They are creatures of their times and backgrounds, like all of us.
The Hobbit movies came with a lot of negative baggage before they even appeared and times had changed as well. Before AUJ was released I had it in mind to write a post about how I thought that TH movies might be received much less warmly than LotR, regardless of their quality. I wish I had done it – I would look so smart.
Again, while popularity is no measure of quality, a huge number of people went to see AUJ and returned for DOS and BOTFA. They liked the movies both in theatres and on home video. The trilogy was a success, in the only way that anyone in the film industry really cares about. that is commercially
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AshNazg
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Feb 21 2016, 11:26pm
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I like to source all my knowledge from Google...
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I googled "Were the Hobbit movies good?" and the answer is a resounding no.  it is now FACT.
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wizzardly
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Feb 22 2016, 2:11am
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Everyone knows the internet is nothing but hateful trolls running amok.
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Gandalf the Green
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Feb 22 2016, 10:14am
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That is what you make of it, but much of the appeal of The Hobbit films comes from its predecessor trilogy and the source material. Change the trilogy's name and replace all of the names of the characters and places and it would lose much of its appeal, as well as the pre-weight it relied on in some places to pull certain people back in. A bad movie without its golden trim is a bad movie.
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Intergalactic Lawman
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Feb 22 2016, 11:19am
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I loved...no scratch that - ABSOLUTELY LOVED LOTRS! I went into these films hoping for more of the same and I walked out embarrassed. They were just horrible films...
My 2 other fav franchises suffered instalments that were not great either (Star Wars prequels and Indianna Jones KOTCS) ...and most of it stems from horrible overuse of cgi and not treating the existing worlds with respect! The Hobbit is just flat out immature.
The new Star Wars was great! It used cgi sparingly, wasn't stupid and didn't shove ridiculous characters down your throat!
I knew from the minute I saw the dwarf designs that Peter Lucas had lost the plot...and he was incredibly lazy with these films! And it shows...
I am not exaggerating when I say this - But outside of this site these films are a laughing stock and are piled up in $5 bins in every store I walk into that sells movies. They are a disgrace and a stain on the prestigious LOTRS films. And deep down you all know this.
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Bumpypotato
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Feb 22 2016, 11:34am
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Some of the CGI looks pretty rushed, I wouldn't deny that. It's honestly a shame about the rushed schedule, because it clearly hurt the movie. But video game effects? These are some crazy good looking games you have.
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Gandalf the Green
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Feb 22 2016, 11:58am
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Saying these movies look like video games is a bit harsh. Most visuals in modern video games still go well together and are cohesive, not a mix of cartoon and live-action things, and that's one of the most important things to consider when using CGI. These movies were often all over the place. If they wanted so much cartoony CGI, they should've done *everything* in CGI.
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Gandalf the Green
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Feb 22 2016, 12:11pm
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Yes. And the ways people try to justify flaws about these films or try to convince people they may one day be viewed as "masterpieces" are quite ridiculous. The Hobbit trilogy was bad on an objective level of filmmaking, whether you enjoyed it or not.
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Noria
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Feb 22 2016, 1:54pm
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Yes. And the ways people try to justify flaws about these films or try to convince people they may one day be viewed as "masterpieces" are quite ridiculous. The Hobbit trilogy was bad on an objective level of filmmaking, whether you enjoyed it or not.
And that is all it is, your opinion.
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Gandalf the Green
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Feb 22 2016, 2:24pm
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yadda yadda opinions yadda yadda subjective
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Yes. And the ways people try to justify flaws about these films or try to convince people they may one day be viewed as "masterpieces" are quite ridiculous. The Hobbit trilogy was bad on an objective level of filmmaking, whether you enjoyed it or not. And that is all it is, your opinion.
It being bad on a level of filmmaking has nothing to do with my opinion. Did I think they were enjoyable? Sure. Are they great or even good on a level of filmmaking? Not really, no.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
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Feb 22 2016, 2:25pm
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Yeah, that's an opinion there, Gandy
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The definition of one. 
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Gandalf the Green
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Feb 22 2016, 2:34pm
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"Did I think there were enjoyable? Sure."
That was the only true opinion in my post.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
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Feb 22 2016, 2:41pm
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The entire post was an opinion
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Either that or procure the fail-safe blueprints for making a great film please. After this, view a Peter Weir picture (conventional framing and direction, but relatively well-executed and thoughtful) and follow that up with any given David Lynch head trip. The divide in how great moviemaking can be accomplished is ENORMOUS.
And which ones are, at the end of the day, is a matter of opinion. The definition of one. Because you think what you think, I think what I think and there is no repeatable experiment that can conclusively prove either of us correct.
"And you can trust me. Because I don't care enough about you to lie."
- Parks and Recreation
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Noria
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Feb 22 2016, 4:52pm
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Another person who doesn't understand the difference between opinion and fact. My opinion is that TH trilogy were wonderful movies but that is only my opinion, just like yours is an opinion.
The only factual data we have are that TH movies did well at the box office and later on home video, so many people must have liked them. It doesn't matter what the comparatively few people who post on message boards say, unless you are just looking for validation.
Excess copies of many great movies can be found in the bargain bins, including LotR. Don't know if they are still to be found there but years ago I picked up copies of the LotR movies as gifts that way.
"And deep down you all know this." - I don't know anything of the sort. Why would I argue in favour of TH movies if I actually felt differently? It makes no sense.
I love TH movies. I don't think they are perfect but I think the LOtR movies, which I love even more, have flaws as well. So does the book, for which I care more than I do for any of the movies.
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