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Eruonen
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Mar 10 2020, 1:26am
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Agree, this may all be looked back upon as a tempest in a teapot.
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There are bound to be growing pains in this production. Working from a bare bones story line is an immense challenge. The opposite situation exists for Amazon's other big franchise Wheel of Time - it has to be chopped down....but at least the entire text is there.
The challenge of finding writers capable of realizing the vision and bringing forth the story must be immense. When you look at current fantasy writers, I cannot think of one who comes close. Yes, some are good at building worlds, magic systems etc. but none that I have ever read or heard about comes close. So, to find a group of people who can do it is a monumental task. I think it may take one strong writer to craft this story rather than a team. Who that could be - I don't know.
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Hasuwandil
Lorien
Mar 10 2020, 4:42am
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Gennifer Hutchison still on the writing team
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Gennifer Hutchison recently made a Twitter post indicating she’s still on the writing team:
Periodic reminder that I cannot answer questions or give out any info about The Lord of the Rings series for Amazon beyond "why yes, I am working on The Lord of the Rings series for Amazon."
(And I have no say in hiring or casting either.)
This would appear to contradict the rumor that all the writers, apart from the show runners, were fired.
Hêlâ Auriwandil, angilô berhtost,
oƀar Middangard mannum gisandid!
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Mar 10 2020, 3:23pm
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This is the kind of intel that we need to see. It doesn't totally bust the rumor, but it sure punches a hole in it.
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Althoun
Lorien
Mar 10 2020, 6:07pm
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The rumour did claim the "entire" writing room had been fired.
Evidently that was flatly untrue.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Mar 10 2020, 7:52pm
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A rumour, even if it turns out to be untrue, has some basis in reality. This was simply a made up story designed to stir the turds.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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Althoun
Lorien
Mar 10 2020, 8:34pm
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I was being, shall we say, "diplomatic" in view of the forum we're posting on.
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Welsh hero
Gondor
Mar 10 2020, 8:38pm
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He's great in years and years, but his greatest work will always be
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Mr Beans's holiday
-Irfon
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Mar 10 2020, 8:47pm
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I, on the other hand … 
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 10 2020, 9:07pm
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A rumour, even if it turns out to be untrue, has some basis in reality. This was simply a made up story designed to stir the turds.
...Justin did claim to have sources, allegedly connected to the show, for his report even if he refused to provide names. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. At the same time, it is looking like this report is--at the least--exaggerated, if not entirely in error. Without more to go on, I'm not about to accuse anyone involved in outright lying.
#FidelityToTolkien
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Welsh hero
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Mar 10 2020, 9:13pm
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I am not going to call Justin a liar but
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Anyone can claim to have a source. Especially when we can't verify it.
Anyone claiming to have a source should always be taken with a grain of salt, regardless of honesty.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Mar 10 2020, 11:04pm
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If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and most of all, smells like a duck
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Chances are, its a duck.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 10 2020, 11:28pm
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We'll see what Justin and Cliff have to say tonight...
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...assuming they're both hosting today's TORn Tuesday webcast. Personally, I don't think Justin made this up out of whole cloth, but his info might still be way off.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Mar 10 2020, 11:48pm
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'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Mar 11 2020, 12:02am
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...but verify! Time for TORn Tuesday!
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Althoun
Lorien
Mar 11 2020, 12:07am
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Gennifer Hutchison - lead writer?
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I've long harboured the suspicion that there may be some sort of seniority among the writers (after the showrunners obviously) with Hutchison out in front.
Even in the most recent Deadline article concerning Baldry's casting, it went: "Gennifer Hutchison, Jason Cahill and Justin Doble...."
Back in July 2019, when the writers room was first announced, it likewise went:
https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-series-amazon-creative-team-1203282062/
"writer and executive producer Gennifer Hutchison (“Breaking Bad”); writer and executive producer Jason Cahill (“The Sopranos”); writer and executive producer Justin Doble (“Stranger Things”)...."
And then everyone else.
Gennifer is always first. In the original creative team video, the showrunners were introduced and then....Gennifer Hutchison as first writer, followed in that particular case by Helen Shang:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7tshJbHV7A&t=10s
Her credit seems to come first among the wrters.
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 11 2020, 2:08am
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Okay, on the TORn Tuesdays webcast Justin admitted that the reference to the writing team being fired was really a reference to the expected hiatus, and he apparently misunderstood what was meant. Since last week there has been pictures form the set, the tweet from head writer Gennifer Hutchison and photos of the cast in NZ. The writers' room reassembles in April (if I have it correctly) to develop scripts for Season 2. The webcast runs for about 1.5 hours.
#FidelityToTolkien
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kzer_za
Lorien
Mar 11 2020, 12:15pm
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At best, TORN's social media is very irresponsible with their reporting
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Jumping the gun on questionable sources and flippantly taking extreme interpretations to stir the pot. And that's assuming most charitable motives, that they're at least attempting to be honest.
When called on it they say something alone the lines "we're just part of a conversation, and it's fun to discuss rumors."
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 11 2020, 1:25pm
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Cliff and Justin both apologized and promised to to better.
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Althoun
Lorien
Mar 11 2020, 2:05pm
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Cliff and Justin both apologized and promised to to better.
I welcome their apology, retraction of any inaccurate statements and self-criticism.
There are a limited number of other websites that have been covering leaks/news on Lotronprime. They have been far more consistently professional, thorough and well-researched in both methodology and approach than TORN.
At times these days, TORN is not even getting things accurate that are already out there in the public domain - let alone from "sources". Can you cite one accurate leak thus far that has subsequently been backed up by credible evidence? I cannot.
The fan-run Lotronprime subreddit has actually adopted a new policy due to complaints:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/comments/fen5gt/new_subreddit_standards_regarding_journalistic/
Rule 5 on the sidebar now reads:
"5.Please don't post false information or unfounded rumors, particularly from TheOneRing.net's socials."
IMHO there needs to be a major reassessment of their strategy for this show, because the current one is losing them trust and social capital. And I say that as someone who remains eternally grateful for their past efforts on the original LOTR trilogy and the Hobbit.
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Otaku-sempai
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Mar 11 2020, 2:33pm
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...TORn's print articles are better researched and sourced than much of what is reported on TORn Tuesdays. Justin seems to be the most apt to spread false rumors, though Cliff could stand to show more skepticism.
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Noria
Grey Havens
Mar 11 2020, 3:56pm
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Omnigeek, this isn't directed at you in particular but to the thread in general.
How does anyone here know whether the writers of the LotR television series have or haven’t read Tolkien, have or haven’t seen PJ’s movies and how they feel about any of them? How do we know the reason that the production employed Tom Shippey isn’t what it was purported to be?
We can have some notion of some of the constraints the series creators are working under – making a commercially successful television series from some of Tolkien’s less-fleshed out work while conforming to whatever requirements the Estate laid upon them – but that’s all. Everything else is guesswork.
If you think this series is going to be awful and that upsets you, maybe leave it alone. Ignore the whole development process and the result – it’s just a television show. It’s better for the soul than wishing ill upon people just trying to do a job. I get that people are venting but nothing any of us think or say here is going to be heard anywhere but on this site and won’t make a whit of difference as to how the series turns out or how the world perceives Tolkien anyway. And we don’t know how the new series will turn out.
As for the new versions of old series and movies, I’ll say first that I am old and a life-long SF and fantasy fan; I've been a Star Trek fan since the original series first aired over fifty years ago and loved the original Star Wars as well as the old Doctor Who. While I rather like Picard and Discovery, I recognize that those series, Abrams’ action-adventure ST movies and the latest SW trilogy were not made for me. As member of my family, a Millennial, correctly pointed out to me, these 21st century versions are meant for younger generations and were crafted to suit their sensibilities. New versions for new generations. Such is the way of the world.
Incidentally, what’s wrong with Doctor Who? I got out of the habit of watching it regularly some seasons ago, but when I caught an episode with Jodie Whittaker, I thought she was excellent.
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Kangi Ska
Half-elven
Mar 11 2020, 3:56pm
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I saw the post on the podcast on the TORn Facebook page. I listened to part of it and had to stop as it was just to self congratulatory & schmaltzy. But it did stir my interest so I came here and started poking around to see what was going on. The one thing I found that excited me was J.A. Bayona's name attached to the project. He was the director of one of my favorite recent fantasy films " A Monster Calls" and he also directed the Spanish language Film "The Orphanage" which Guillermo DelToro named as one of his favorites.
The whole thing about firing the writing staff did not surprise me as Television series often go through writers when they are being developed. As to Shippey leaving: I know he was not considered one of their writers but makes me a little nervous abut the direction the story will take if he leaving is valid. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
It feels good to be back. KS
Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain
Life is an adventure, not a contest.
At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Mar 11 2020, 4:10pm
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Always a pleasure to see you around, Kangi. No need to be nervous, this whole thing was just a "misunderstanding" (putting it charitably). In particular, there is no truth that Shippey was removed from the production (though of course his role is not very large). It remains to be seen whether the production will be at all worthwhile, but this was not even a tempest in a teacup. It was a non-event.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Mar 11 2020, 4:15pm
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See how much happens when you leave for a long time?
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Here's the video from July 2019 that introduced the crew, including Bayona: https://www.facebook.com/...-pw9c-&__tn__=-R
The firings turned out to fake news (as much as I despise that turn of phrase). Shippey might also simply have some free time due to the (planned for!) hiatus.
#FidelityToTolkien
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Varking
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Mar 11 2020, 4:37pm
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Cliff and Justin both apologized and promised to to better. I welcome their apology, retraction of any inaccurate statements and self-criticism. There are a limited number of other websites that have been covering leaks/news on Lotronprime. They have been far more consistently professional, thorough and well-researched in both methodology and approach than TORN. At times these days, TORN is not even getting things accurate that are already out there in the public domain - let alone from "sources". Can you cite one accurate leak thus far that has subsequently been backed up by credible evidence? I cannot. The fan-run Lotronprime subreddit has actually adopted a new policy due to complaints: https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/comments/fen5gt/new_subreddit_standards_regarding_journalistic/ Rule 5 on the sidebar now reads: "5.Please don't post false information or unfounded rumors, particularly from TheOneRing.net's socials." IMHO there needs to be a major reassessment of their strategy for this show, because the current one is losing them trust and social capital. And I say that as someone who remains eternally grateful for their past efforts on the original LOTR trilogy and the Hobbit.
That being said, TORn has been the most active community and site when it comes to all things Tolkien and they have always been appreciated. I still trust this forum and site like I have through the years for information. Misunderstandings happen.
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