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Otaku-sempai
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May 20 2016, 8:17pm
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Really, without the love story, Tauriel served no purpose, so she should really just go.
Since this is the 'haters' thread, I won't respond to this in any detail. However, I will point out that the character of Itaril/Tauriel existed long before the love-story between her and Kili was conceived. She was created to provide another perspective from the Wood-elves apart from that of the Sindar rulers.
"He who lies artistically, treads closer to the truth than ever he knows." -- Favorite proverb of the wizard Ningauble of the Seven Eyes, the "Gossiper of the Gods"
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HOBBITFAN13
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May 20 2016, 11:44pm
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What would it be?
Personally I would change about 85% of everything in this trilogy, however, my one choice would be to remove the horrible horrible love story and everything associated with it. No "trousers" line, and no Kili dying to defend his girlfriend either. Really, without the love story, Tauriel served no purpose, so she should really just go.
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Bracegirdle
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May 21 2016, 12:50am
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I have no right to comment on this thread
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as I have only seen the first of the three Hobbit movies and I thought “why put myself through the grief?”
But I have read the book (and LotR) over 50 times in 46 years and Tolkien’s characters have been my heroes, my companions, and my friends; and I have been on too many Middle-earth quests in the quiet of my den to accept PJ’s inaccurate portrayal of the tales and the characters.
Of course I am referring mainly to LotR which I have borne watching all three installments a couple of times, and I find myself in accord with CJRT when he said: “There is only one solution for me: to turn my head away.", which I have done – somewhat.
But, as this is The Hobbit ‘Movie’ forum and I haven’t seen all three movies . . . . . . . . . nevermind!
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wizzardly
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May 21 2016, 2:40am
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you've only seen the first one?!
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I'm so jealous. I wish I had the good sense to stop after AUJ.
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Bracegirdle
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May 21 2016, 1:14pm
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you've only seen the first one?! I think I read the books just too many times long pre-Jackson and my mind’s-eye was filled with Tolkien’s depiction of the peoples and events, and I almost felt a personal insult (or an insult to the memory of Tolkien himself) when I went to the movies.
A case in point (to stay on topic) in AUJ might be Radagast: I had always thought of the Istari as ‘holy’ and venerated Maiar that came to Middle-earth dressed in cloaks of different colors. But we find movie Radagast dressed as a homeless person with a bird’s nest on his head being pulled around on a sled by a bunch of bunnies. That, and more, was enough for me and I decided at that point not to waste another dollar on Jackson. And it turns out that my singular boycott was not far off the mark as the last two Hobbit movies have been severely roasted by many (if not most) critics.
To those who enjoy Jackson’s portrayal of Tolkien’s effort I can only say, “bully!”, and hope that these films will turn some to the exquisite writings of our favorite professor.
"I never said most of the things I said."
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EomundDaughter
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May 21 2016, 2:04pm
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I actually found the movies helpful since as a kid
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I had been terrified after reading The Hobbit (Gollum mostly)....read the book again after the movies and really love it now...
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HOBBITFAN13
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May 21 2016, 5:33pm
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Those two are not worth watching.
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dormouse
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May 21 2016, 6:38pm
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...that for anyone who has either not seen AUJ and so has no opinion about it yet, or who saw it and enjoyed it, they are eminently worth watching.
Though of course you're right that if anyone really disliked AUJ there's no point in watching the other two (except perhaps to form a considered opinion about the whole trilogy).
It's all a question of taste.
For still there are so many things
that I have never seen:
in every wood and every spring
there is a different green. . .
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wizzardly
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May 21 2016, 8:29pm
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Completely agree. Peter Jackson has basically spit in Tolkien's face with this adaptation.
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It's disgraceful. I only hope the Tolkien estate got a fair penny from all this.
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TheOnlyOneAroundWithAnySense
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May 21 2016, 10:41pm
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"Even if everyone is telling you that something wrong is something right... even if the whole world is telling you to move, it is your duty to plant yourself like a tree, look them in the eye and say, 'No, YOU move.'"
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lionoferebor
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May 22 2016, 12:24am
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...I only hope the Tolkien estate got a fair penny from all this.
or is it still ongoing?
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LittleHobbit
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May 22 2016, 12:55am
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And you spat in the face of everyone with half a brain...
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by posting such a monstrous inaccuracy.
(This post was edited by LittleHobbit on May 22 2016, 1:03am)
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Silverlode
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May 22 2016, 2:48am
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The TOS and forum rules apply just as much here as they do in any thread.
This applies to everyone. Remain civil or don't post.
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Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.
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wizzardly
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May 22 2016, 3:00pm
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I really hope WB just drops it. They've already created a mockery of one of the greatest works of children's literature ever written, this lawsuit nonsense is just bullying at this point.
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Altaira
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May 22 2016, 10:17pm
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An Admin has requested that this sub-thread stop
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That means: move on please. For those who couldn't do that, your posts have been deleted.
From here on out, if this thread doesn't remain civil it will be locked.
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LittleHobbit
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Sep 23 2016, 1:27pm
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the last two Hobbit movies have been severely roasted by many (if not most) critics.
Actually, Desolation of Smaug is the highest rated Hobbit film and Battle of Five Armies has a rating just a little lower than An Unexpected Journey. And all three movies are classified as 'Fresh' and not 'Rotten' on Rotten Tomatoes (just to cite the biggest movie reviews site), with the second (Desolation of Smaug) being 'Certified Fresh', which basically means, very good.
So yeah, none of the Hobbit movies seem to be much critically 'panned' or something.
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Bracegirdle
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Sep 23 2016, 9:38pm
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So yeah, none of the Hobbit movies seem to be much critically 'panned' or something.
My Webster’s Unabridged defines critic:
[a judge, discerner, to judge, to separate, to distinguish.]
1. one who compares, judges, or estimates
2. a person who forms and expresses judgements . . .
3. one who censures or finds fault; a caviler or carper.
Etc. etc. etc. Thus, you are a critic and I am a critic. ‘Rotten Tomatoes’ are simply a group of critics with an opinion which IMO is no more valid than your opinion, my opinion, or any other group’s opinion.
‘Certified Fresh’ has no more validity than ‘very good’; it’s just a person(s) opinion. ‘Certified’ by whom? ‘Very good’ according to whom? I’ve been to many a ‘Five Star’ movie that put me in the land of apathy.
Many ‘sites’ on the internet pan the ‘Hobbit’ movies; Rotten Tomatoes is not the end-all authority. Even Peter Jackson himself somewhat pans his ‘Hobbit’ movies. Yes he was pretty much ‘winging it’, but nevertheless it’s the end result that counts – for me.
http://www.cinemablend.com/...r-Jackson-95167.html
In civility,
BG
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But all worthy things that are in peril . . . those are my care.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?'
Gandalf to Denethor
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LittleHobbit
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Sep 30 2016, 4:33am
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that the press in general didn't pan the Hobbit movies as you seem to have implied with your first comment.
Plus, the bit about Peter Jackson 'panning' his own TH movies is bogus, because his quote/statement was taken out of context. Please read this:
http://www.theonering.net/...g-storm-in-a-teacup/
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Bracegirdle
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Sep 30 2016, 1:24pm
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No, I didn’t mention the press in general.
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You have ‘implied’ (taken me out of context). 
I mentioned only ‘Rotten Tomatoes’ as being an assembly of people with an opinion. There are many ‘people(s)’ with opposing views. Perhaps we read what we want to ‘see’… 
Are we to take the ‘biggest movie reviews site’ as firm and gospel?: “This is the way it is and you have no choice, you must believe what we tell you! The End!”
Nevertheless, in fairness, I shall take (out of context) both sides of your link.
Here Jackson ‘somewhat’ pans his effort:
Jackson admitted that the short prep time he had after director Guillermo del Toro reluctantly had to leave the production and Jackson stepped into the breach, left him scrambling and ‘making it up as I went along’.
He discusses how, in the early days of shooting, he would be on set ‘winging it’;
‘I didn’t know what the hell I was doing’ when I made The Hobbit’ ; the implication being that this was the state of affairs throughout the entire process. This was received by many who were disappointed by The Hobbit trilogy, as confirmation of the poor quality of the films.
And some ‘positives’ also ‘taken out of context’ (it goes both ways, does it not?):
Whatever your opinion of The Hobbit movie trilogy, it’s fair to say huge amounts of planning, work and talent went into these films – and Peter Jackson would never intend to belittle that. It would be a pity if film makers were discouraged from being honest in behind the scenes coverage, because of things being taken out of context.
Jackson goes on to explain the various ways in which they overcame the obstacles encountered during filming; and indeed, even The Guardian’s own article (headline aside), implies that Jackson found ways of making things work, even in the ‘very high pressure situation’ in which he found himself.
Peter is very proud of the 3 Hobbit movies, and actually regards this period as one of his happiest film making experiences – something he has said publicly many times.
‘. . . the rule of no realm is mine . . .
But all worthy things that are in peril . . . those are my care.
For I also am a steward. Did you not know?'
Gandalf to Denethor
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