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Malveth The Eternal
Lorien

Apr 21 2008, 2:27pm

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Please God... [In reply to] Can't Post

If you're up there, let Del Toro direct!

I wasn't excited before but...he really is perfect for this.


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Apr 21 2008, 2:36pm

Post #102 of 154 (5748 views)
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Oh Yes! Get Doug Jones in there! [In reply to] Can't Post

*nods enthusiastically* HE'S AWESOME! Hmmmm.... Thranduil? Wouldn't that be tasty?

Welcome, Hellmistress :) The anticipation is hard to take! *twitch* This is going to be so much fun!!! I'm glad you're here and hope you learn to love us and stick around :) LOVE YOUR AVATAR! Hands down! ;)



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hasufel
Rivendell


Apr 21 2008, 2:38pm

Post #103 of 154 (5322 views)
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Wow! Another belated welcome! [In reply to] Can't Post

I guess I chose a bad weekend to avoid the computer.

Welcome to Torn GDT!

Let the wild ride commence!


silneldor
Half-elven


Apr 21 2008, 2:39pm

Post #104 of 154 (6191 views)
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Honored sir. [In reply to] Can't Post

What a great surprise!

"Tolkien, like Lewis, believed that, through story, the real world would become a more magical place, full of meaning. We see its patterns and colors in a fresh way. The recovery of a true view of the world applies both to individual things, like hills and stones, and to the cosmic - the depths of space and time itself. For in sub-creation, in Tolkien's view, there is a "survey" of space and time. Reality is captured on a miniature scale. Through stories like The Lord of the Rings, a renewed view of things is given, illuminating the homely, the spiritial, the physical, and the moral dimensions of the world."

Tolkien and C.S. Lewis- The Gift of Friendship -Duriez


May the grace of ManwŰ let us soar with eagle's wings!

In the air, among the clouds in the sky
Here is where the birds of Manwe fly
Looking at the land, and the water that flows
The true beauty of earth shows
With the stars of Varda lighting my way
In all the realms this is where I stay
In the realm of ManwŰ S˙limo
By El~Cugu

From the website: 'The Realm of Manwe'








vtboyarc
Lorien


Apr 21 2008, 2:48pm

Post #105 of 154 (5315 views)
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nice [In reply to] Can't Post

something about time and The Hobbit. I'm trying to be patient. lol
I really can't wait for The Hobbit!

Theres some good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and its worth fighting for.


weaver
Half-elven

Apr 21 2008, 3:30pm

Post #106 of 154 (5064 views)
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very fun and clever! [In reply to] Can't Post

Joining in late!

I think the 24 princes is a reference to four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie. But since they are princes, it must be a really great pie.

Wince is also a term for a faulty computer thing from Windows. Which probably has something to do with the number Pi.

So, my contribution to solving your riddle is this -- we are in for a royal treat and don't worry the suspense will not go on forever...

Thanks for the very nice intro and outreach to TORn!

Weaver



Dreamdeer
Valinor


Apr 21 2008, 4:13pm

Post #107 of 154 (5544 views)
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Good sign! [In reply to] Can't Post

It bodes well that Guillermo would come over and play with us! Not just send over some sort of press release, but actually come up with a hobbit-style riddle to make his announcement. That shows fandom, and I find that promising.

(Here's where I put in my pitch to make both movies directly on "The Hobbit", so as to reduce cutting scenes out. You don't need a bridge film, because the bridge comes at the very end, when Balin drops in and visits Bilbo. Later on, in "The Lord of the Rings," Frodo mourns beside Balin's tomb, remembering Balin's visit long ago. Which indicates that Bilbo had adopted Frodo by then (some years after Bilbo's adventure, of course)--therefore Frodo can be present and referred to in the film, in child-form, in a cameo appearance in an epilogue scene. No need for a whole movie for that. If you want any bridge at all, which is not absolutely necessary.)

(Here also I can put in my pitch about "The Hobbit" belonging to a different sub-genre from "The Lord of the Rings." LotR was a quest movie, and it had to hone down to whatever most furthered the quest to destroy the Ring. In contrast, "The Hobbit" is a road-trip. The goal--to win treasure from a dragon--is not the true plot, but merely a motivating factor. As in all road-trip stories, the real plot is how the main character evolves through exposure to a variety of experiences far removed from the narrow existence he left behind. In this sub-genre, coherence or goal-relevance do not matter nearly as much as impact on character development, and seeming side-tracks often turn out the most important of all. Thus fighting the spiders is perhaps the most indispensible scene of all, in terms of showing and developing Bilbo's transition, whereas if one thought that obtaining gold was the goal, one might make the mistake of cutting that scene out. I accept that you will probably have to cut something. But please keep in mind the central importance of Bilbo's inner journey.)

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(This post was edited by Dreamdeer on Apr 21 2008, 4:14pm)


Steelsheen
The Shire

Apr 21 2008, 4:18pm

Post #108 of 154 (5505 views)
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i've been thinking about this riddle for a while [In reply to] Can't Post

i've been thinking about this riddle for a while and basically i think its this: its about the announcement of Hobbit related news-- about the two part movie/ casting/ production and of course confirmation of GDT's involvement. its set to break within the next 72 hours (from Saturday, the day it was posted) which would place it on Monday (day of the moon). or the countdown could start Monday and can break within the next 72 hours from that, which would place it no later than Wednesday. GDT says as much on an audio interview at VoicesFromKrypton, and the riddle fits perfectly into it.


Donry
Tol Eressea


Apr 21 2008, 4:22pm

Post #109 of 154 (5117 views)
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k... [In reply to] Can't Post

That's cool.....that's all I got on this one, it's Monday morning and I'm dumber on Monday than most of the time.

What's the matter, James? No glib remark? No pithy comeback?"


JJ Moon
The Shire

Apr 21 2008, 4:36pm

Post #110 of 154 (5563 views)
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Supporting Kimi's theory... [In reply to] Can't Post

"Joining to be" (ten minus three) 7 and (Ten minus eight) 2 = - 5. (-5 joins 7 and 2), then, ("Add to the slate of the two dozen princes") (-)5 + 24 = 19.

Wellington, New Zealand is 19 hours ahead of LA (MGM).

Hence, 7:00pm Monday ("Day of the Moon") in LA is 2:00pm on Tuesday ("and add to each day of the week") in New Zealand.

May it Be...


Hellmistress
Lorien


Apr 21 2008, 5:47pm

Post #111 of 154 (5516 views)
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Thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post


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*nods enthusiastically* HE'S AWESOME! Hmmmm.... Thranduil? Wouldn't that be tasty?

Welcome, Hellmistress :) The anticipation is hard to take! *twitch* This is going to be so much fun!!! I'm glad you're here and hope you learn to love us and stick around :) LOVE YOUR AVATAR! Hands down! ;)


Love you guys! You're so welcoming! My avatar was made by Kusanivy, one of our HBII bunch who is a fantastic cosplayer and is training to do makeup with the legendary Dick Smith. She's also a devoted Fan-Sapien (Dougie's nickname for his fans). Great gal.

Thranduil was also my choice, and came up at a Q & A Dougie did here in the UK a few weeks back when he was asked about The Hobbit. He'd done his ADR looping session the week previously, doing the voice of Abe in HBII, and GdT was there in the booth with him. Doug asked about The Hobbit and G said that it still hadn't been settled, but that IF he did the films there would be roles for Doug in it. Fans at the convention mentioned Thranduil, and it has also been mentioned on the IMDb boards. Dougie grinned and said it would be lovely to play a role where all the latex he had to wear were some pointy ears!

He also went on to mention that NZ was a cert, and that G would have a big hand in writing the script. Nothing really new, but nice to hear.

HM

Oh, incidentally, the 'HM' thing is Guillermo's fault. His idea. Wink

The Doug Jones Experience


MrCere
Sr. Staff


Apr 21 2008, 6:12pm

Post #112 of 154 (5241 views)
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I don't believe any diety have registered yet at our boards {NT} [In reply to] Can't Post

 

I have no choice but to believe in free will.

The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie




snapcotton
The Shire

Apr 21 2008, 6:53pm

Post #113 of 154 (4965 views)
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Tears of joy!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Welcome, welcome!
An announcement on Friday, perhaps?
Looking forward to some serious squee-ing!!


Radhruin
Rohan


Apr 21 2008, 7:03pm

Post #114 of 154 (5212 views)
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Like a "South Beach" diety for instance? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

"A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it."
~Chesterton


Elven
Valinor


Apr 21 2008, 7:08pm

Post #115 of 154 (5255 views)
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Orcs'essss??? I'll fetch my axe ;-) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


I think I'm quite ready for another adventure!

Tolkien was a Capricorn!


Jazmine
Tol Eressea


Apr 21 2008, 7:25pm

Post #116 of 154 (5608 views)
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Right... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm abit confused, if Mr Del Toro has posted on these boards that's pretty cool, but have we managed to verify that yet? I've gotten a bit lost in the mass of posts! I know the post on the Hellboy boards was genuine, but have we confirmed whether or not the one left here was him or an impersonator? If it is real, then wow! The excitement seems to be boiling over at the minute and I for one am just itching for an announcement!


*Jazminatar the Brown*


Stubaan
The Shire

Apr 21 2008, 7:33pm

Post #117 of 154 (7366 views)
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A moment to reflect... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it's safe to assume that a positive announcement is imminent, even if we don't know for sure the exact timing (sneaky GTM hobbitsess!!)

That being the case, I just wanted to say that the manner in which GTM has opened up the first real public discourse on the project is, in a word, perfect.

We've all been so frustrated by the incessant hurdles, many of which still no doubt remain, and the constant niggling doubts that this dream for so many will never get off the ground. Add to that the nervousness evoked by putting this project in unproven hands (wrt to Lord of the Rings, that is) and you get, well frankly, a lot of pretty frazzled hearts and minds. Objectively, it is obvious that Guillermo is uniquely suited to taking the reigns from PJ in this particular sense. He is an established artiste in his own right with a vision that appears compatible with PJ's, and we know his commitment to his craft and his projects defines him as a director of the ilk of Peter Jackson. But we haven't really had any indication of his mindset coming into this project other than a few optimistic words - and certainly no action as of yet.

We know it will be gorgeous, we know it will be accomplished and intelligent, we know that he can nurture incredible performances from actors and writes with images more than words much as PJ so effectively does. But does he have the passion that catalysed PJ's effort? Lest we forget that the LotR whole is far greater than the sum of its parts; a direct consequence of the atmosphere and spirit that pervaded all aspects of the project, which, though not limited to PJ (the exact opposite in fact), certainly required his catalytic passion to spark.

This riddle, trivial as it is in the grand scheme of all that is yet to come out about these movies, is the first glorious sign of the man's hobbit-ridden head. He recently mentioned that he has been working through all the published works on Middle-Earth, which I hope that he meant literally. It would be an impressive feat in and of itself that must have left his mind completely saturated with Tolkien's mythology in a probably quite profound way. Though this may not have been the ultimate reason for his posting a riddle that both references Tolkien' own riddles and represents a cornerstone of The Hobbit's structure and themes, it absolutely shows us that his head and heart are in the right place.

Personally, more than anything else, this is the most important news for me. Guillermo, your worthiness has never been in doubt in my book... but even so it is damned wonderful to see that you're on the same page as the rest of us.

Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo.

Good luck buddy - and welcome to this glorious community.


MrCere
Sr. Staff


Apr 21 2008, 7:38pm

Post #118 of 154 (5393 views)
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HA! That 10-minute edit feature is just NOT long enough for some of us (me) {NT} [In reply to] Can't Post

 

I have no choice but to believe in free will.

The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie




grammaboodawg
Immortal


Apr 21 2008, 9:02pm

Post #119 of 154 (5651 views)
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*taps foot, checks watch* It's officially Monday night where I am! *twitch* // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



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"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."


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Farawyn
Rohan


Apr 21 2008, 9:04pm

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DiveTwin
Rohan


Apr 21 2008, 9:38pm

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You Said It, Grandma! [In reply to] Can't Post

Not that this movie is even remotely related to our favorite topic, I can't get it out of my head. That would be the immortal Ted Knight in "Caddyshack" when he said ....

".....WELLL.......WE'RE WAITINGGGGG"

Am very, very much looking forward to hearing these announcements.

Along with many who've already said it - welcome the the board, Guillermo. We're excited to have you here.


Imladris
Registered User

Apr 21 2008, 10:25pm

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My Guessesss my Precious [In reply to] Can't Post

I would like to throw my hat in the ring, My guess would be Thursday 10 am-- I will leave the time zone thing to the smarter ones.

I tend to look at things a little more simply. time + 7 + 2 or 72 plus 24 plus 7 equals 103. it cant be 103 days ( cause all of us would go insane ) so 103 hours from his post -- roughly thursday 10 am --whatever time zone.

I am cautiously optimistic with the news at hand. I hope this will complete the journey as we hope, Fran and Peter and all else involved with LOTR brought it to us as if we were watching a historical document come to life.... I hope GDT can pull it off 75 % as well as they did.

flame me if you must.....

take care all

PS my first post too.....


JJ Moon
The Shire

Apr 22 2008, 12:13am

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Today is the "day of the moon"... [In reply to] Can't Post

I know some of us are still questioning which date the big announcement is coming. I think it's simple:

Monday "will be when all is revealed to thee" Wink

The day of the moon will be
when all is revealed to thee
Questions will cease
Answers will please
We┤ll learn of the Shire
and all you desire.

7:00pm PST today is likely the answer to the riddle.





Eldameldo
Bree

Apr 22 2008, 12:46am

Post #124 of 154 (5377 views)
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I had thought the same about it being tonight.... [In reply to] Can't Post

So waiting anxiously for a possible announcement.

No honestly, I'm not refreshing this page, and home page, every ten minutes, no way, not me! LOL
Yes I am, OK I admit it! Blush






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I know some of us are still questioning which date the big announcement is coming. I think it's simple:

Monday "will be when all is revealed to thee" Wink

The day of the moon will be
when all is revealed to thee
Questions will cease
Answers will please
We┤ll learn of the Shire
and all you desire.

7:00pm PST today is likely the answer to the riddle.





Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea


Apr 22 2008, 1:30am

Post #125 of 154 (5539 views)
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Half and hour gramma! [In reply to] Can't Post

I sure hope we are not mistaken!

Here's to Del Toro becoming the Irvin Kershner of Middle Earth!

Essay winner of the Show us your Hobbit Pride Giveway!

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