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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 17 2016, 2:30pm
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The Fellowship - Youngest to Oldest
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Easy peasy, lemon squeezy (all years Third Age)
1. Pippin (born 2990)
2. Merry (born 2982)
3. Samwise (born 2980)
4. Frodo (born September 22, 2968)
5. Boromir (born 2978)
6. Aragorn (born March 1, 2931)
7. Gimli (born 2879)
8. Gandalf (n/a; but incarnated in human form approximately 1000)
9. Legolas (unknown; born 87 according to film sources)
Bonus: Gollum (born 2430) was approximately 589 years old when he died.
I don't know enough about the marriage patterns of hobbits, but I would think that Sméagol's mother would have been close to 33 years old (the age of adulthood) when she wed; with the same holding for her own mother. At age 20 they might have been equivalent to a 13 or 14 year-old Mannish child.
I will (mostly) ignore the films where Pippin might arguably be older than Frodo.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 17 2016, 3:20pm
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Youngest to Oldest (Film-continuity)
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My best guess for the ages of the members of the Fellowship when they set out from Rivendell (according to the film-continuity Bilbo was born on September 22, 2889 (T.A.) and the War of the Ring was probably fought from 3001 to 3002):
1. Frodo, 34 (born 2967)
2. Merry, 35 (born 2966)
3. Pippin, 37 (born 2964)
4. Sam, 37 (born 2964)
5. Boromir, 39 (born 2962)
6. Aragorn, 86 (born 2915, assuming he turned 87 in March of 3002)
7. Gimli, 138 (born 2863)
8. Gandalf (incarnated), approximately 2,001 (came to Middle-earth around the year 1000)
9. Legolas, 2,914 (born 87)
Peregrin Took is seemingly no longer the youngest of the four hobbits (even if he remains the most immature). For the sake of argument, I've assigned him the same year of birth as Samwise.
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Gianna
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Jan 17 2016, 4:24pm
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Whoops - voted oldest rather than youngest :*)
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Pippin
Merry
Boromir
Sam
Frodo
Aragorn
Gimli
How'd I do?
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Bracegirdle
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Jan 17 2016, 5:28pm
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Just reversed Boromir and Sam.
Sam was 2 years younger than Boromir.
Cheers . .
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 17 2016, 5:35pm
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You reversed Boromir and Frodo, (Boromir being younger than Frodo.)
So I did! I forgot to figure Boromir's age into the ages of the hobbits. Plus, Frodo just feels younger than Boromir.
Actually, I got Gollum's age from Robert Foster's The Complete Guide to Middle-earth. This puts Sméagol at thirty-three when he murders Déagol, which ties in well with his birthday present story. Thirty-three years also marks the coming-of-age into legal adulthood for hobbits.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 17 2016, 6:29pm
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Marriage Customs among Hobbits
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(Many hobbits had quite large families and perhaps started at an early age – 20??)
I dunno, Shire-hobbits, at least, might have tended towards long engagements. Belladonna Took married young at around 28, yet Rose Cotton was about 46 years old when she wedded Sam Gamgee. And we don't have the exact year that Primula Brandybuck married Drogo Baggins, but she gave birth to Frodo at about the age of 48.
The River-hobbits of Wilderland might have tended towards younger wives but, even so, I don't think that they would be younger than 25 years old (give-or-take a year). I assume that even Sméagol's kin aged more slowly than most Men.
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Bracegirdle
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Jan 17 2016, 7:07pm
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Birthdays and coming-of-age . . . and
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Actually, I got Gollum's age from Robert Foster's The Complete Guide to Middle-earth. This puts Sméagol at thirty-three when he murders Déagol, which ties in well with his birthday present story. Thirty-three years also marks the coming-of-age into legal adulthood for hobbits. I see, and I’m not totally disagreeing with you as we are on unknown ground here.
But I’m glad that Foster had the foresight to put the caveat c. in that listing, (he must have also been thinking coming-of age), as his Complete Guide has many suppositions and many downright errors.
But we can have birthdays at 20 and we can have birthdays at 33, and Gollum’s “birthday story” need have nothing to do with his coming-of-age.
As squire might say: “The answer is blowin’ in the wind.”
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 17 2016, 7:12pm
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But we can have birthdays at 20 and we can have birthdays at 33, and Gollum’s “birthday story” need have nothing to do with his coming-of-age.
I certainly don't disagree with you here, but I think that a 20 year-old Sméagol would be closer to the human-equivalent of around 14. To my mind, he would have been significantly older than that when he murdered his cousin. If not exactly 33 then within a few years of it.
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dormouse
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Jan 17 2016, 7:26pm
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Hmmm.... I'm useless with numbers...
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..and I leave you to guess which book is open beside me - bizarrely, I took it off the shelf an hour ago to answer a question someone asked in an email.... (Clue - it isn't by or about Tolkien!)
So, going from youngest to oldest I'd guess:
Pippin
Merry
Sam
Boromir
Frodo
Gimli
Aragorn
Legolas
Gandalf
I haven't a clue how old they were - as I said, I'm useless with numbers! But I have a feeling Frodo was 50 when he left Bag End with the Ring. And Gandalf being a Maia he's surely ageless, or at least he goes back to a time before anyone started counting, or knew how long a year was.
As for Gollum, I'd say he was very, very old.... Very, very, very old? (where each very = perhaps 200 years and I'm adding, not multiplying!)
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 17 2016, 8:10pm
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Aragorn is younger than Gimli. Technically Gandalf is the oldest, but I only counted from his incarnated mortal form (which might also be older than Legolas since Tolkien never revealed when the Elf-prince was born).
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Bracegirdle
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Jan 17 2016, 8:42pm
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I become more and more swayed to your way of thinking.
Just for fun I did some Rosie/Samwise calculations:
Rosie was born in 2974
Married Sam in 3020, at yes 46 years of age.
They had 13 children in 22 years; the last in 3042 when Rosie was 68 years old.
She died in 3082 at the age of 108, and Sam took ship a couple months later.
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Bracegirdle
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Jan 17 2016, 8:58pm
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Dormouse peeks out - what fun!
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Good shots except as Otaku says Gimli is older than Aragorn - by 52 years to be precise.
And I didn't include Gandalf or Legolas in the list as we don't know their true ages, but you are certainly correct that Legolas would be the youngest.
Gollum? Hmmm . . . I guess 5 "verys" equal a thousand years?
Goodness! That's one old gurgler! 
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dormouse
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Jan 17 2016, 10:49pm
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My calculation by 'very' was only referring to the last bit - three verys = 600. but that's just another way of saying I don't know!!
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 18 2016, 12:16am
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600 years old for Gollum is probably a little high, but only by 10 or 20 years.
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Bracegirdle
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Jan 18 2016, 2:29am
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c. 2463 – Gollum gets his birthday present
c. 2470 - Gollum hides in Misty Mts.
2941 - Gollum loses his precious to Bilbo
3019 - The Wretch falls into the Chambers of fire
Tolkien uses the word “about” for the first two dates, but if we take them as fact this comes to 556 years. Now if we add on his age of 33 years (I’m coming around OS) at the ‘finding’ we get a total of your original guesstimate of 589. So yes a tad short of 600 even if we add or subtract a few years. But one OLD bugger nevertheless, eh?
And it’s been a fun go Otaku – thanks for bending my head into a more comfortable position. 
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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 18 2016, 3:15am
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In what order would you list the members of Peter Jackson's Fellowship?
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Bracegirdle
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Jan 18 2016, 4:54am
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I’m not into the films as heavy as most, and it’s been a couple years since I’ve watched them.
I can only take your movie figures (which I assume are quite accurate if I know my Otaku) and compare them to the books:
I do notice that none of the movie ages/dates match with the book ages/dates. I wonder at the reasoning for this? Many are but a year off. Would this be because of the few short days from the Fellowship leaving Rivendell in Dec. until 3019? Or did PJ totally change the dates of the WOR? I just don’t recall.
Added to say - looking at your figures for the movie I see that possibly the movie Fellowship began in 3001? And my brain is teased enough just figuring the books. . . 
1. Movie Frodo, 34 (born 2967) - Book 50
2. Movie Merry, 35 (born 2966) - Book 36
3. Movie Pippin, 37 (born 2964) - Book 28
4. Movie Sam, 37 (born 2964) - Book 38
5. Movie Boromir, 39 (born 2962) - Book 40
6. Movie Aragorn, 86 (born 2915, assuming he turned 87 in March of 3002) Book born 2931, 87 on Dec. 25, 3018
7. Movie Gimli, 138 (born 2863) - Book 139
8. Movie Gandalf (incarnated), approximately 2,001 (came to Middle-earth around the year 1000)
9. Movie Legolas, 2,914 (born 87)
Proper (book) positioning on Dec. 25, 3018:
1. Pippin born in 2990 = 28 yrs.
2. Merry born in 2982 = 36 yrs.
3. Samwise born in 2980 = 38 yrs.
4. Boromir born in 2978 = 40 yrs.
5. Frodo born in 2968 = 50 yrs.
6. Aragorn born in 2931 = 87 yrs.
7. Gimli born in 2879 = 139 yrs.
Movie Merry and Gimli are the only ones in the proper position, 2 & 7.
I would reverse Gandalf & Legolas even though Olorin’s name changed when he came to Middle-earth, he was still the same soul – a Maia, and was likely around before the Firstborn were first born, and Legolas birthdate is unknown.
I also wonder that as of this writing this "poll" that's not a poll has seven "votes". Now how in the consternation does that work.
I wonder at things like that . . . 
Oh, people can't help but push buttons . . . doesn't cost nuthin' .
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Jan 18 2016, 6:11am
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My Assumptions for the Film-canon
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First, a pair of facts: 1) Bilbo's eleventy-first birthday in the extended edition of Peter Jackson's The Fellowship of the Ring is revealed to be September 22, 3000 (Third Age), one year earlier than in Tolkien's legendarium; 2) Jackson's Quest of Erebor takes place sixty years earlier, in 2940.
Assumptions:
- Frodo and his companions take the One Ring to Rivendell in September and October of 3001 (based on Jackson's, Walsh's and Boyens' comments in their FotR-EE commentary track. We are told in the film that Frodo awakens in Rivendell on October 24.
- Sam, Merry and Pippin are roughly the same ages in the film when they leave the Shire as they are in the book (although it is hard to now credit Pippen as the youngest member of the group). However, because the year has been altered, their birth years have changed.
- I am assuming that Bilbo waited until Frodo reached his coming-of-age at thirty-three years before leaving the Shire, since Frodo was his heir. Jackson, Walsh and Boyens discussed in the commentaries that they wanted Frodo to be contemporary in age with his hobbit companions.
- Aragorn gives his age as eighty-seven to Éowyn after his birthday of March 1 in 3002. This is assuming that the Fellowship set out from Rivendell in late December as they did in the book and maintained a similar timeline. This resets Aragorn's date of birth to March 1, 2915. However, if we prefer to believe that the march to Helm's Deep occurred before March of 3002 then Aragorn's birth year becomes 2914.
- In the film-continuity, Aragorn is twenty-five (or possibly twenty-six) years old at the time of the Battle of Five Armies.
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Jan 18 2016, 6:35am
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You're right, I rushed my math. I should have made movie-Gimli 139 years old, born in 2862.
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Jan 18 2016, 1:28pm
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Well, the youngest is obvious...
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Pippin, of course!
I'm not sure if Merry or Sam comes next, so I'll say: Merry, then Sam.
Frodo next.
Boromir
Aragorn
Gimli
Or is Boromir younger than Frodo? I remember being surprised at one of the ages...
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Jan 18 2016, 2:21pm
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Yes, Boromir was 10 years younger than Frodo.
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Somewhat surprising.
Here’s the full roundup.
Proper (book) positioning on Dec. 25, 3018:
1. Pippin born in 2990 = 28 yrs.
2. Merry born in 2982 = 36 yrs.
3. Samwise born in 2980 = 38 yrs.
4. Boromir born in 2978 = 40 yrs.
5. Frodo born in 2968 = 50 yrs.
6. Aragorn born in 2931 = 87 yrs.
7. Gimli born in 2879 = 139 yrs.
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Bracegirdle
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Jan 18 2016, 2:44pm
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It’s seems strange that they got all the months and days (that you list) correct. But the years are all wrong. I wonder if anyone tells us their reasoning for changing the years.
They seem to have started off but a year short. Then suddenly it becomes 17 years off. Just doesn’t make sense. . .
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Jan 18 2016, 3:19pm
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Funnily enough, I don't think the Boromir/ Frodo age difference....
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... is surprising. Frodo is 50 when he leaves the Shire. I don't think Boromir's age is ever given in the text, but everything about him suggests a man at the peak of physical and mental agility. without looking I would have put him somewhere between 30 and 40, but certainly not over 50. It's only when I start picturing Elijah Wood and Sean Bean that I want to put them the otther way round.
Gimli was the one I would never have guessed.
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There are seven members of The Fellowship whose ages are precisely known (year, at least). 
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