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TheHutt
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Jun 23 2015, 10:11am
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Rumour: BOTFA SEE infos from an Italian forum
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Hello,
From an Italian forum (link will be specified later, when I have it from my news source who translated the info) there was some information concerning BOTFA SEE. The source is the Italian actor who is dubbing Dwalin and who recently had recordings for the SEE and who posted some info about it. There is following information which might or might not be accurate (rumour, remember?). So I don't guarantee the accuracy whatsoever.
Following information could be gathered:
- Dwalin has some new good scenes, however, they are rather short.
- Beorn has some additional dialogue.
- Thorin has some additional scenes.
- The chariot scene is in the movie.
- Also, dubbing work was done for Balin and Bombur (!). So we might hear his voice after all.
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Smaug the iron
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Jun 23 2015, 10:20am
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Bomber have finally something to say.
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CathrineB
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Jun 23 2015, 10:44am
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We sorely need more Dwalin!
We sorely need more dwarves in general!!
More than just a few short seconds 
I do want to know what on earth Dwalin was doing on Ravenhill...
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NoelGallagher
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Jun 23 2015, 10:47am
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But these rumors arent nothing new in detail. All possible scenes we discussed before. But no offense against you Hutt :)
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Shagrat
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Jun 23 2015, 10:47am
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Any word on Bofur, Fili and Thrain? Or even Bifur!
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Ataneruo
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Jun 23 2015, 11:49am
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Hi, TheHutt, this is from the head-staff of Tolkien Italia:
https://www.facebook.com/TolkienItalia.
Let's make these rumours clear. The dubbing actor of Dwalin did communicate some details of the Extended Edition:
1 - The goat chariot is confirmed.
2 - Thorin, Balin, Dwalin and Bombur have new lines, 'cause dubbers were called for recordigs. We do not know if every one of them got real dialogues, instead of simple cries of war. But Dwalin is in new scenes that the dubber considers "beautiful" ("belle", in Italian), so we can think that they're Balin and Thorin's scene as well.
These are the real news from Italy, and you can take if for certain. Remember? Last year, we were the first to ensure the presence of Saruman in the main trailer of The Battle of the Five Armies thanks to the same source. Bombur's and Beorn's dialogues still remain object of speculation, as said in tie-in books and interviews to cast&crew.
We wanted to published these news yesterday, until we ecountered issues in our social pages.
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Thrain II
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Jun 23 2015, 12:03pm
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Chariot scene is nice, but not crucial. I really hope that Beorn has some lines and overall more presence in the movie. It would be great to hear Bombur also!
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Otaku-sempai
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Jun 23 2015, 3:53pm
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Maybe, post-BoFA, Beorn invites Bilbo and Gandalf to stay with him over the winter. We know that it happened in the book. The pair would not have wanted to cross the Misty Mountains in the winter without a pressing need.
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Mooseboy018
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Jun 23 2015, 6:46pm
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I'm still crossing my fingers for Dwalin defending Fili's body at Ravenhill. He has to be doing SOMETHING there.
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Eleniel
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Jun 23 2015, 7:28pm
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And what about that Bilbo-Bofur conversation as Bilbo sneaks out of Erebor with the Arkenstone?
"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort
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brotherbeck
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Jun 23 2015, 7:50pm
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Importance of even quick scenes.
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Even just tiny additions here and there can make a HUGE difference to the narrative and how satisfying the story is. This is part of why editing this film down so much and giving it a thriller pace was so frustrating - simply an important line or two from some of the dwarves or a quick scene that features one of them doing something can really bring them into the story in a massive way. I think this especially hurts a filmmaker like PJ who tends to write long scenes and shoot a lot of material and then shape the story in the editing room.
It reminds me of the couple of lines explaining Thranduil's animosity towards the dwarves regarding the jewels - these were cut from the theatrical edition to save a few seconds of screen time, but as a result his entire storyline makes much less sense and feels very superfluous to the story being told. Cutting those few lines really hurt Thranduil as a character and severed his connection to the story.
The other one I really can't wrap my mind around is waiting so long into the second film to mention the relationship between Thorin, Fili and Kili. One really quick line of dialogue would have established their relationship right up front at the beginning of the story and given the audience that much more time to connect with their story.
This whole idea is why I find PJ to be such a frustrating filmmaker yet I can't not watch his films. He will create these absolutely amazing, transcendent scenes and then just toss them away in favor of mindless silly action scenes. If you look at what was cut from the Rivendell sequence in AUJ, you have Bilbo walking around entranced and slowly falling in love with the place - this is hugely important to his character and will resonate through all of the rest of the Middle Earth movies. Yet these scenes were deemed to be as important as the naked dwarves bathing in the fountain and thus both were cut, while scenes like the Stone Giant battle carry on for ridiculous amounts of time beyond all sense of reason and to where any sense of consequence to the characters is lost.
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Mooseboy018
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Jun 23 2015, 7:55pm
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I doubt this means that Thorin, Dwalin, Balin, and Bombur are the only dwarves that get additional dialogue. At least I hope not... Bifur is probably going to lose the axe in his head in the EE, so I assume he'll get at least a couple lines. And it's been confirmed that Dain will have a scene with Bilbo. And I can't imagine them not including more Bofur scenes.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried though.
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TheHutt
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Jun 23 2015, 8:26pm
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...mostly one at a time (to record one's own lines only), so if they ever cross paths, that's rather a coincidence (meeting colleagues after their own "shift" is done). So nothing to worry about.
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CathrineB
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Jun 23 2015, 8:34pm
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... No extra Fili I might punch through walls 
And Bofur.. Ugh I love him. And Dwalin... no really I'm just repeating myself because I adore these dwarf actors so much and I feel so much for them. Having done all this job and preperation and backstory for their characters only to be pushed aside and disrespected so much... it's painful. 
I really hope the EE can save this movie. It is really in need of.
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brotherbeck
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Jun 23 2015, 9:06pm
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I was someone who initially strongly disliked the designs of almost all of the dwarves when we were first shown them. I think I remember liking Balin and Oin and Gloin, but that was it, and the ones I disliked I really hated. They just did not look like dwarves to me and I felt the filmmakers went way overboard trying to differentiate them and over-stylized them to the point of absurdity.
That being said, over the course of the three films I pretty much fell in love with each and every one of the dwarves to the point where I forgot almost all of the original problems I had with their design.
Kili just looking like a sexy young man still irks me - he should have a beard and larger features. I still hate the axe sticking out of Bifur's head and think that is a stupid gag that never should have made it past initial design sketches. Even those are just minor quibbles that the performances of the actors drive completely out of my head while watching the films.
I honestly think it is a huge shame that so much of their great material was cut from the film in favor of silliness and tangential plotlines.
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Ataneruo
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Jun 24 2015, 1:16pm
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Google Translator is not the best tool for Italian
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The translation does not return the correct meaning of the sentences in more than a couple of times in Bruno's answers.
In Italy we are personally in touch with the dubbing team, but in respect of their work we don't usually ask too much. Maybe this time we'll ask for some of the most anticipated scene, if there are or not.
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Avandel
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Jun 25 2015, 2:17am
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no really I'm just repeating myself because I adore these dwarf actors so much and I feel so much for them. Having done all this job and preperation and backstory for their characters only to be pushed aside and disrespected so much... it's painful.
It IS painful. Yes, I love Thorin and am delighted to hear there *might* be a few *precious* moments more - firmly and maniacally believing that too much Thorin is not enough, EVER  - but - there are so many *winces* for me the way things turned out. Classy guy that RA is, I don't think having the "guys" sidelined for the most part is something that would have made him happy - they were all suffering together under the heat and costume weight and the company dynamics were important to him. Think of the courage Dean O'Gorman had had to have, just getting thrown into things with a new group of people.
All the effort and open enthusiasm the dwarf actors had, and they STILL say they would come back if PJ asked. And for me, I flinch thinking of the charm and joy and excitement of AUJ and those hairy little guys...how much I was looking forward to the ASSUMED dynamics of the Durins, the ASSUMED lead I thought Fili would take.....
It's a blight for me now, watching the AUJ and other Appendices, grimly thinking of these wonderful actors being treated as extras in a film ostensibly about a company of dwarves ! That had traveled across the land following their leader, and then? *Sigh*
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brotherbeck
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Jun 25 2015, 6:25am
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It really is such a shame that the majority of the dwarves were sidelined in their own story. Especially after the actors all did such an amazing job bringing the characters to life!!! Take Aidan Turner as Kili for example: I HATE the entire design of his character and think he looks absolutely nothing like a dwarf as Tolkien describes them; I HATE the horribly written "love story" that they saddled his character with so much that it almost ruins every scene two otherwise awesome characters are in... and yet, I still think the character of Kili is great in the film and wish there were more scenes of him interacting with his brother and his uncle and the other dwarves of the company.
I simply cannot understand how the filmmakers could possibly watch the footage they shot yet fail to realize that they had captured something truly special with this group of actors / dwarves and choose to put the focus of the movie elsewhere on truly less interesting things (to put it nicely).
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brotherbeck
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Jun 25 2015, 9:51am
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I actually really liked Tauriel as a character too, until the later parts of BOTFA. During the opening scenes in Laketown she is pretty awesome and impressive in the way she stays completely cool while protecting the children during the utter and fiery devastation all around them. Then they completely undermine her character with the absolutely atrociously written "love story" that makes absolutely no sense and is embarrassing to watch. I honestly cannot watch the scene where she screams and asks why it hurts so much - it makes me feel physically embarrassed for poor Evangeline Lilly, and for the filmmakers, and for myself for watching something so terrible. I was actually astounded that they went there the first time I watched the movie. Up until that point it had seemed to me that she had been looking at Kili with a sense of kindness yet awkward bafflement, as one might do if someone were to suddenly declare their love for you out of the blue.
It all plays out so poorly just as a film, nevermind the whole other idea that I think it is pretty terrible to introduce a female character for the sake of bringing some much needed feminine energy to the story and to give the young female viewers someone to identify with, only to the have her sole purpose in the movie be to fall in love and be defined by the male characters around her. To me it really is just as bad and disrespectful as if they had made her wear a skimpy bikini-like outfit in the film because Evangeline Lily happens to be very attractive and physically fit, only in a different manner. The filmmakers really let Evangeline Lily down with bad story decisions, some extremely amateurish and poor writing, and when they didn't take her side on the whole 'no love triangle' thing.
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Avandel
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Jun 26 2015, 3:55am
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I could take or leave Tauriel - but, IMO what a waste of a believable athletic female elf and the actress. And I don't think the finest actress ever could have done much with cheesy lines - not to mention the elegant Lee Pace.
I wonder, with what seems to be a fairly common dismissive attitude towards that scene, could a miracle happen and PJ in hindsight mercifully edit the scene way down for the EE?
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