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noWizardme
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Apr 30 2015, 9:26am
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I'm certainly enjoying revising - or deepening - my views on Boromir
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I think it's easy on a first reading to side too quickly with Gandalf (and so go "yeah, shut up, Boromir!"). That's probably what I did. I think the reader is encouraged to do that in fact - partly because of what Tolkien wants to do with this character, and perhaps because we are supposed to be reading an account derived mostly from Frodo and Sam, who are notably trusting of and rather in awe of, Gandalf.
On re-readings, I knew how Boromir would end up: it makes it easy to pick out ways in which Tolkien makes him an outsider in the Council and then the Fellowship, and see that as faults in Boromir's character. Again I think that is one of the things Tolkien intends us to see.
The good guy who falls under the bad influence of the evil magic doo-dah is something of a trope, so maybe that makes it easier to miss ways in which Tolkien is handling this character in a more sophisticated way.
The key for me has been to be encouraged to try looking at events from Boromir's point of view. I'm finding it very interesting how Tolkien makes that entirely possible, for readers who make that particular effort.
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Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"
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CuriousG
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May 1 2015, 4:40pm
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You're right about that--it does take effort.
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Gandalf pretty well dominates things, and as a reader, you assume he's usually right, so if he's angry with someone or says they're wrong, you tend to go along.
But Boromir does have his own storyline and perspective that can be pieced together. Maybe it helps that the movies made him more sympathetic too. Anyway, we all seem to be seeing more to him than we did in the past.
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arithmancer
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May 2 2015, 4:48pm
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In the days when it was a prosperous Dwarf Kingdom, did the neighboring Elves who traded with it, already name it the Black Pit? It almost seems like it ought to have had a more favorable sounding Elvish name also.
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noWizardme
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May 2 2015, 6:14pm
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Most fashionable hip hop venue of the Second Age, Where L. Rond used to rap about his haters, and want people to turn up his headphones.
That's probably why Durin wears his baseball cap sideways http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=852469#852469
Keepin' it real...
As other music trends took over it was later known as "Mosh-ia" ...
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"nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"
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Otaku-sempai
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May 2 2015, 7:12pm
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In the days when it was a prosperous Dwarf Kingdom, did the neighboring Elves who traded with it, already name it the Black Pit? It almost seems like it ought to have had a more favorable sounding Elvish name also.
As BlackFox posted, the original name for Khazad-dum in Sindarin was Hadhodrond (the Dwarrowdelf in Westron). According to Robert Foster's The Complete Guide to Middle-earth the name Moria did not come into common usage until after the freeing of the Balrog. I suppose that the name might have come into existence before then as a derogatory term, perhaps coined by the Elves of the Woodland Realm; but I am only speculating.
My best guess is that Gandalf used the more well-known name for clarity when he was translating the writing on the door. The simpler explanation may be that Tolkien had simply not yet developed much of the history of Moria when he wrote the passage.
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squire
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May 2 2015, 8:30pm
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I'd missed the existence of that name. It seems strangely awkward for an Elvish word, but I guess the point is that the Elves were phonetically rendering Khazad-dum, rather than translating it, and so the word is a kind of Dwarvish-sounding outlier in Sindarin.
I disagree with Otaku-sempai that Gandalf in reading the Elvish might have re-translated the word into 'Moria', because after all Tolkien's own illustration shows the inscription as "Moria". But I do agree with him that it's far more likely that Tolkien invented Hadhrodrond and its linguistic backstory some time after he'd completed The Lord of the Rings. That more respectable but less euphonious Elvish name very likely didn't even 'exist' when Gandalf and the company stood outside the West Door.
While looking it up, I was reminded once again how careless the many online reference sites on Tolkien are about giving sources. No website I found ever said in which book Tolkien himself used this odd and little-known name, and for quite a while I suspected I was hunting the snark of a fanfiction word invented by a gaming website or amateur Sindarin speculator. But for what it's worth, I finally found the actual reference in The Silmarillion in two places (thanks to the index): "Of The Sindar", and "Of the Third Age and the Rings of Power", with an additional note in the lexicon appendix.
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noWizardme
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May 3 2015, 10:00am
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Suggestions from Hammond & Scull
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BTW, we're discussing this point in 2 parallel subthreads which readily happens, of course when a thread gets this popular, so not to worry.
Hammond & Scull pick up this issue, and note that a couple of solutions have been suggested. I summarized these here:
I think we should blame whoever illustrated the Red Book, and lettered the inscription Gandalf read, not what the door said. "And with one bound, Jack was free!" An alternative idea that Hammond & Scull note is someone's suggestion that the inscription was self-updating. Ingenious, but not supported by the text. NoWizardMe http://Ihttp:/...i?post=851929#851929
When we get as far as Balin's tomb, we're also going to find it describing him as "Lord of Moria...."
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sador
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May 3 2015, 10:39am
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"The world was fair in Durin's Day"
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Can you think of other signs of Third Age decadence and fall from Second Age glory?
Well, several have been posted already.
And just compare this to the beginning of The Hobbit:
one morning long ago in the quiet of the world, when there was less noise and more green...
Apparently, our world is even worse.
Why do you think it was so important to Tolkien to have this place illustrated out of so many choices he'd have to make with his publisher?
It the LotR parallel of Thror's Map.
Were either of them helpful?
They both tried. And they were helpful later. And being quiet now is also very useful.
Given the icy exchange between Gimli & Legolas about who's to blame for their races' enmity, do you imagine they’ve been avoiding talking to each other during the trip until now?
To each other? Probably. But they definitely were talking at each other, and about each other.
BotR is priceless in this respect; but it (naturally) carries this theme throughout the book.
What does this say about the hobbits? Would Merry have solved the riddle on his own, as Gandalf hints?
For one thing, they try to be helpful (even Pippin, in his way) and are not at each other's throats.
I guess adding Glorfindel instead of Merry (and another dwarf, instead of Pippin) would be fatal to the Quest.
I love Merry - but I'm not sure he would have solved the riddle by himself. It would be nice if he did, though.
On the other hand, he might have just been hungry, and was wondering why 'mellon' was spelt with a double l.
How have the holly trees survived all these centuries given that orcs like to cut down trees for fun?
Like the lembas in the Tower of Cirith Ungol.
The orcs wouldn't touck anything with elven magic.
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sador
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May 3 2015, 11:46am
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Does Bree have a special place in the Wizard’s heart?
The way to a man's heart is through his stomach.
How did Bill survive the wolves?
Bribery will get you where flattery can't.
But seriously, I think Tolkien intends us to think that Gandalf's blessing was very powerful indeed.
Why did he go to Bree instead of Rivendell?
Returning to his old master... wait, that doesn't seem likely.
I guess that Rivendell is simply too hard to find (although that puts Gandalf's blessing in a less favourable light).
Or perhaps he also wandered about until he found Fatty Lumpkin, like Merry's ponies - but unlike them, Butterbur knew Bill well and connected him to Sam.
And story-wise, it is just far better as a closure.
1. Why/how does the lake not reflect the sky?
Was does the Mirrormere reflect the stars in full daylight?
2. Would the Watcher have attacked them anyway, or only because Boromir’s stone in the water woke it up?
When they crossed the stair it woke up (if the ripples are an indication); bot perhaps Boromir's stone gave it the indication just where the intruders were.
3. Is Frodo the only one who sensed the Watcher's evil presence?
Frodo is our POV character; so we can't tell.
I suppose that if Boromir did, he wouldn't have thrown stones.
Did Gandalf or Legolas?
Gandalf doesn't act as if there is anything more urgent than wolves at night.
So either he doesn't, or he's a masterly actor.
It never occured to me to credit Legolas with this kind of sense.
Is this due to Frodo's perceptive nature, or the Ring's influence on him, or his post-Weathertop sharpened senses?
The possibilty that it is the Ring's influence is likely.
JRRT never says, but the specter haunts us. Which is one of LotR's greatest strengths' IMHO, in which it is better than The Silmarillion. Unfinished Tales and HoME do somehow spoil the effect, so when I read LotR I try to ignore them.
4. Was the Watcher a wild animal in search of a meal and hungry, but not evil?
It seems the orcs don't venture that far West; and Oin was twenty-four years ago...
So it probably was hungry.
Or intelligently evil, and that’s why it attacked Frodo?
Tolkien hints at it quite distinctly, with one of the rare glimpses into Gandalf's mind.
And how exactly did it know to attack him first: is there a photo of Frodo being circulated among evil creatures in M-earth?
Or else they sese the Ring.
I supposed this is an obvious hint, a nearly heavy-handed one; but since you didn't mention this as a possibility, it probably isn't that obvious.
5. Was the book-Watcher more or less scary than the movie-watcher?
Movie-watcher are usually pretty scary creatures.
6. What's up with nature in this quest?
Are the wolves natural? Gandalf thinks they aren't.
But if you also consider the Old Forest, the Withywindle... yes, Tolkien wasn't always on the side of the trees.
Is nature itself an enemy in M-earth, whether Sauron is behind it or not?
Not necessarily. But I love how the only time the Fellowship are actually defeated, it ius by a mountain.
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squire
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May 3 2015, 1:00pm
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What a depressing black pit... oh, wait... Melian, honey, I'm home!
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Thanks for the pointer. I rarely look in Hammond & Scull's commentary on LotR because so much of it tends to duplicate information that we've developed here in the RR over the years. But you remind me that a work that tosses in a casual reference to a reader's letter in a 1990 copy of Amon Hen, showing H&S's breadth and depth, is not to be sneezed at.
I do like to quibble with Tolkien's own assertion, noted by H&S, that the Elves didn't like cave-dwellings, even their own, and so despised Moria more for its very location underground, rather than for its latter-day demonic house-guests. The descriptions in the Sil of Nargothrond and its kissing-cousin the Elf-king's palace in The Hobbit are really pretty comparable, detail for detail, with the descriptions of Moria in this chapter and its kissing-cousin the dwarf-palace of Erebor in TH, when they were inhabited, lit, and prosperous.
For even more textual fun, I remember suddenly seeing (as reported in an earlier discussion) that a descriptive stanza of Gimli's song about Khazad-dum was lifted, word for word, from Tolkien's then-unpublished 'Lay of Leithian' in which Nagothrond is described. In short, in some deep authorial sense the Elven caves and the Dwarven caves are the same place.
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Riven Delve
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May 3 2015, 1:17pm
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Conspiracy theories: Moria edition
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Can the Wizard do this kind of thing all the time? (Have you ever tried it at home?)
Do not attempt. Professional wizard a closed course. Results not typical. Your results may vary.
The Big People all get mention in the warg attack, but the hobbits only comment on surviving it. Do you think they fought any wolves themselves?
Why could the wolves be killed yet they left no bodies behind? Do they regenerate and come back? Should we assume this is a small, special pack of magical wargs that Sauron sent to get the Ring, or does he have hundreds or thousands of these creatures in Mordor kennels? If the wargs had killed everyone in the Fellowship, how would Sauron get his Ring back: would orcs scavenge the corpses, or would the wargs eat the corpses and swallow the Ring, obliging Sauron to cut them open or wait for their digestion and bowel movements to get back the trifle that he fancies?
Let's look at this carefully. Note:
1. No one notices whether the Hobbits were fighting.
2. Sam has drawn his knife.
3. The Hobbits have not eaten well for some time.
4. No wolf bodies are left behind.
A careful investigator would have noted whether any Hobbits were burping and/or seemed to lack quite their usual appetite at the next meal, but nooooooo...
Gandalf said he wanted Gimli & Legolas to stop fighting and help him open the gate. Were either of them helpful?
Given the icy exchange between Gimli & Legolas about who's to blame for their races' enmity, do you imagine they’ve been avoiding talking to each other during the trip until now?
No, Gimli was heard earlier whispering "Tauriel" and snickering, and relations had been very cold ever since.
2. Would the Watcher have attacked them anyway, or only because Boromir’s stone in the water woke it up?
So once again no one was paying any attention? Did anybody notice that Boromir was scratching out on his stone, "Go for the little perky chap with red cheeks. Spit out the Ring when you're done"?
5. Was the book-Watcher more or less scary than the movie-watcher? (I personally found the movie version silly and not scary at all, but the book version still scares me, probably because it remains mostly unseen, and my imagination does the rest.)
I found the description of the "fingered ends" very creepy indeed, reminiscent of the self-propelled ghostly hand of the Barrow-downs. But I think PJ's movie-Watcher was terrifying because of its sheer size.
“Tollers,” Lewis said to Tolkien, “there is too little of what we really like in stories. I am afraid we shall have to try and write some ourselves.”
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May 3 2015, 1:20pm
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I'm choosing to believe that's very much what the holly trees looked like! 
“Tollers,” Lewis said to Tolkien, “there is too little of what we really like in stories. I am afraid we shall have to try and write some ourselves.”
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Modtheow
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May 3 2015, 4:46pm
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Why do you think it was so important to Tolkien to have this place illustrated out of so many choices he'd have to make with his publisher?
I think that one reason might be that Tolkien wanted readers to see his invented Elvish script. And it would also be difficult to describe in words the script and the rather complicated design of the whole door.
What I also find interesting is that this illustration is one of many instances in Tolkien's drafting of LotR where you can see the interplay of drawing and writing in the composition of the story. According to Christopher Tolkien in HoMe, there are 4 versions of the drawing (2 at Marquette and 2 at the Bodleian). Tolkien wrote a description of the scene, then drew it, then revised the written text, then erased parts of the first picture and revised it to fit the revised written description, then drew a picture of the revised description, etc. It's extremely difficult to follow the exact sequence in Christopher's text and footnotes, but basically I think Tolkien's process (here and elsewhere) goes something like this: as he's writing he finds he needs a sketch to help him visualize the details, then he uses the drawing to help him revise and clarify the writing, and then sometimes he goes back and forth even more between drawing and writing to figure out what the scene should look like.
Finally, when thinking of other published LotR illustrations like the Ring inscription, Balin's Tomb, and the Book of Mazarbul, I'd say again that Tolkien wanted us to see different writing systems, which he loved inventing.
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CuriousG
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1. No one notices whether the Hobbits were fighting.
2. Sam has drawn his knife.
3. The Hobbits have not eaten well for some time.
4. No wolf bodies are left behind.
A careful investigator would have noted whether any Hobbits were burping and/or seemed to lack quite their usual appetite at the next meal, but nooooooo...
Thanks for the laughs!
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CuriousG
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May 3 2015, 7:57pm
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I'm never sure what to blame on the Ring or not
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And how exactly did it know to attack him first: is there a photo of Frodo being circulated among evil creatures in M-earth?
Or else they sese the Ring.
I supposed this is an obvious hint, a nearly heavy-handed one; but since you didn't mention this as a possibility, it probably isn't that obvious. We'll soon be in the Chamber of Mazarbul where Frodo is singled out by an Orc for a spear attack, so it saw the same "Wanted: Ring-bearer" poster or sensed the Ring too with great accuracy. But then if the Ring has this magnetic quality, shouldn't it later be attracting all the Orcs of Mordor like flies when Frodo and Sam enter that land and the Ring is so much more powerful?
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noWizardme
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May 3 2015, 9:23pm
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Would Merry have solved the riddle on his own, as Gandalf hints?
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I've never been able to understand why Gandalf says "Merry, of all people, was on the right track [discovering the password]".
Merry just asks what the inscription says: he doesn't suggest that it contains the password, or a clue to it.
(Look for the post-it note under the keyboard, guys...)
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"nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"
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squire
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May 3 2015, 9:40pm
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No, but he gets credit for approaching the inscription with a more open (i.e. more innocent) mind
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‘What does it mean by “speak, friend, and enter”?’ asked Merry.
He doesn't ask what it says, he asks what it means. From his point of view, the inscription tells you to speak, but not what to speak. Gimli derails the question by taking the conventional interpretation that it is an invitation to speak a known password, and that gets Gandalf going on the same track as well.
Finally Gandalf realizes that Merry is right: the inscription is not self-explanatory. Why address the reader as "friend"? Why add that word?
Would Merry have solved the puzzle himself? Certainly not, he could only respond to Gandalf's erroneous translation of "Speak" for "Say". But as the folk-figure of the wise naif, Merry effectively corrects the wise but too-suspicious wizard.
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noWizardme
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May 4 2015, 7:58am
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security systems and their points of failure
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‘What does it mean by “speak, friend, and enter”?’ asked Merry.
He doesn't ask what it says, he asks what it means. From his point of view, the inscription tells you to speak, but not what to speak. Gimli derails the question by taking the conventional interpretation that it is an invitation to speak a known password, and that gets Gandalf going on the same track as well.
I suppose I was looking for a more positive suggestion from Merry (or wondering whether there had been one in draft).
The mistake is in Gandalf's translation ("speak, friend" rather than "say 'friend' ") I don't know whether that's sloppy work by a tried and anxious wizard, or whether the two statements are original in the starter language, but unfortunately different in the target language. (If it's the latter, the misdirection might be thought of as a security feature) . I notice that the doors in any case have a fashionable dual security system: you first have to do whatever it is Gandalf does to make the doors visible. Maybe that was a trick not widely known to enemies, in which case, Gandalf is already through the main level of security.
I also notice that they already had voice recognition systems in the Second Age ("I Siri, made them")
I think that the idea of it all being a problem of translation is quite original - though perhaps such a source of confusion would occur very easily to a linguist.
To move completely into making things up, the doors security system might be even more effective if the anticipated insiders would have had more difficult than Gandalf.. for example, suppose the anticipated attacker is an orc, and "Mellon" is a "shibboleth" word (that is, a word which is very difficult for some cultures to say correctly, so that an orc would have trouble saying it).. come to think of it though, would orcish even have a word for "friend"? 
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"nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"
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noWizardme
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"Siri, how do I open the doors of Moria?"
"Thanks, but not what I had in mind. Um.. 'speak friend and enter?'
'Melon, darn it!!"
I suppose Apple's programmers expected Siri to be used by sensible people...
Well, let's hope they done't revoke Gandalf's password & direct him to the help desk: somewhere deep in Moria, the dwarves on the help desk are no longer answering the phone.
Come to think of it, the security question "what was you mother's maiden name" might be tricky for a wizard, too (no mother).
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"nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"
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Fortunately, you're no wizard. //
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:) I also called my first pet @£!23wzbgfhji}%12, anticipating another security question
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It never came when called.
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"nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"
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CuriousG
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The real weakness in the system
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was when Orcs attack using reinforced watermelons as cannonballs. "Bring on the melons, lads We're going to blast down these gates! No, wait, the doors are opening by themselves. I wonder why? Was it something I said?"
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:) So that's how "Fruit Ninja" was invented! //
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"nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"
This year LOTR turns 60. The following image is my LOTR 60th anniversary party footer! You can get yours here: http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=762154#762154
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