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Fleuz
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Aug 8 2014, 9:02am
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The Desolation Of Smaug | EE Content
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-Audio commentary from Peter Jackson and co-producer/screenwriter Philippa Boyens
-New Zealand Home of Middle-Earth Part 2. Travel with Peter Jackson on a tour stunning New Zealand locations that filmmakers turned into Middle-Earth.
-Into The Wilderland: The Chronicles of The Hobbit Part 2. A twelve-part chronological history of the filming of The Desolation of Smaug, documenting the work done onset chronologically through the three shooting blocks and in the world of its digital effects.
-The Journey To Erebor. A multi part documentary focusing on the work that Weta Workshop and Weta Digital undertook to create the new characters and creatures of The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug.
Digital Release: October, 21st.
No Source, sry.
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Azaghâl
Lorien
Aug 8 2014, 9:29am
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It pretty much mirrors the AUJ EE. Nothing revealing about it though. But good find 
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Boromir Stark
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Aug 8 2014, 10:55am
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Maybe this has been done to death by now, I dunno...
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... but with the release imminent, I guess it's reasonable to bring it up again:
Which scenes are you guys hoping we get to make up the extra 25 mins?
So long as Beorn and Mirkwood are both extended, but at least 5 mins each, I'll be happy. I feel like the first part of the movie was rushed to get to Laketown and beyond, and that didn't sit well with me. I always preferred the Beorn/Mirkwood parts of the book more.
I also don't want anymore action, or anymore Legolas. The theatrical cut is already action-heavy enough. I want more character moments, perhaps more travelling scenes. To me it feels like they get to places too quickly. Wouldn't mind seeing Gandalf actually travelling to the High Fells either; he just sort of appears there.
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Shagrat
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Aug 8 2014, 10:59am
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"The Blu-ray 3D skus will include either Barrel Rider Figurine or a replica of the Key to Erebor"
Do we think that was before it was decided, or that there might actually be an alternative available?
I trust there will be a feature on the score in those 12-parts (Doug Adams has strongly hinted as such). I thought it might be separate like 'The Songs of The Hobbit' but I guess not.
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Arannir
Valinor
Aug 8 2014, 11:14am
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If we can chose and there are two I would be at peace with the imho horrible barrel statue. It would be a first though... not sure. All the pre-order versions do not indicate two versions, so far.
I hope for a score feature as well... maybe they didn't specifically mention it as it may be on the "WETA" disc - just as "The Songs of the Hobbit". Or one part of the production documentary.
Following the AUJ structure (though it will be in the chronological order of filming again, probably)
Part 1 - Beorn Scenes
Part 2 - Mirkwood Scenes
Part 3 - Spiders Scenes
Part 4 - Woodland Realm / Thranduil Scenes
Part 5 - Barrel Scenes
Part 6 - High Fells Scenes
Part 7 - Lake-town scenes
Part 8 - Dol Guldur
Part 9 - Erebor scenes
Part 10 - Smaug scenes
Part 11 - Pick-Ups
Part 12 - Post-Production (Effetcs? Sound Effects? Score?)
Could also be, though, that they decided to do one big score feature with the last movie. Would be fine as well.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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Arannir
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Aug 8 2014, 11:25am
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Wasn't their a rumour a "Eagle explanation" was filmed? - 2 minutes
Beorn scenes - 5 minutes
Mirkwood scenes (River, Bombur, Stag) - 6 minutes
Thranduil meets the whole company - 2 minutes
Feast of Starlight - 2 minutes
"Never venture East" - 2 minutes
Thrain (still a puzzle how this will work out) - 5 minutes
Small additions surrounding action sequences and Smaug/Bilbo (only small additional shots etc.) - 1 minute
I could easily play out totally differently, of course. Stuff such as the rumoured Eagles' explanation may not have been shot at all or simply scratched. One also quickly over-estimates the time certain scenes actually take.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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DjU
Lorien
Aug 8 2014, 12:17pm
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Following the AUJ structure (though it will be in the chronological order of filming again, probably)
Part 1 - Beorn Scenes
Part 2 - Mirkwood Scenes
Part 3 - Spiders Scenes
Part 4 - Woodland Realm / Thranduil Scenes
Part 5 - Barrel Scenes
Part 6 - High Fells Scenes
Part 7 - Lake-town scenes
Part 8 - Dol Guldur
Part 9 - Erebor scenes
Part 10 - Smaug scenes
Part 11 - Pick-Ups
Part 12 - Post-Production (Effetcs? Sound Effects? Score?)
Disc 1 of AUJ Appendices structure was 14 parts and that 14 INCLUDED the 45 min Pre-production segment (The Journey Back to Middle-Earth) and the 10 minute wrap up and look forward segment (Home is Behind, the World Ahead).
DoS is 12 parts so if they did include another Pre-production segment and the likely wrap up segment then that only means 10 segments.
Beorns House, Mirkwood, Woodland Realm, Lake-town, Erebor & Dol Guldur are most likely the six most certain, as is probably a Pick Ups one (This could cover Bree and Dwarves Vs Smaug). That leaves 3 more. High Fells could be one, but equally it could be rolled into something else, Dale will be skipped even if some footage is added back in the EE and will be concentrated on the next films Appendices, I reckon the Barrels will have a separate segment as it was such a set piece and also included a minor bit of location filming, but I think the Spiders will just be in a larger Mirkwood bit.
Also strictly speaking if the still did the pseudo chronological filming order then I reckon Dol Guldur would be the first one, as they filmed most of Dol Guldur in Block one after the Rivendell/White Council stuff - whilst they had Cate Blanchett and Hugo Weaving filming and before going to film Christopher Lee. Theres part of me that doesn't expect that to happen in the Appendices!
01 - Pre-Production
02 - Queer Lodgings (Beorn)
03 - Flies And Spiders (Mirkwood)
04 - The Woodland Realm
05 - High Fells
06 - Barrels Out Of Bond
07 - A Warm Welcome (Lake-town)
08 - Dol Guldur
09 - On The Doorstep (Outside Erebor)
10 - Inside Information (Inside Erebor)
11 - Pick Ups (Bree and Dwarves Vs Smaug, Dol Guldur Redux etc)
12 - Wrap Up
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vexx801
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Aug 8 2014, 12:20pm
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At Dragon Con, Graham McTavish mentioned that there were a few lines filmed to explain why the eagles did not take them all the way, yes. The "Never Venture East" clip from the Live Event was 20 seconds long, but there may be an extra few lines added to fit it in with the scene overall. There was also an extra 15 seconds of dialogue at the High Fells from the Live Event that was not included in the film, so perhaps that will be added back in. It's fun to speculate and do some digging, though. But Beorn, Thrain and Mirkwood is what I'm looking forward to most. :)
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Arannir
Valinor
Aug 8 2014, 12:58pm
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... the "never venture east" scene could continue in a Bard/Bilbo conversation the dwarves do not really pay attention to - the moment Bilbo asks for Bard's name. That is why I thought it might be longer.
I would love to see Bard and Bilbo establish some sort of relationship here, with Bard aknowledging that the Hobbit is much more polite (and interested) than the Dwarves.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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Arannir
Valinor
Aug 8 2014, 1:02pm
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You are right... I forgot the pre-production stuff.
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Although a lot of PP has been covered by the AUJ EE, I would like this first part of the documentary include some explanation of how the trilogy decision changed production and structure of the movies. Also including some earlier ideas to structure the movies etc.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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There&ThereAgain
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Aug 8 2014, 8:19pm
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But I wonder if they are waiting til the BO5A EE to talk about the decision to split into three films, so that they don't have to worry about spoilers...
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien
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glor
Rohan
Aug 8 2014, 11:03pm
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EL mentioned an interesting scene...
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..in an interview. She stated that there was a scene filmed when Tauriel first meets Kili during the spider sequence in which her prejudices about dwarves are challenged by something Kili does or says, that did not make it into the theatrical edition.
With the LOTR EES it was always little character moments, that gave a bit more substance to character interactions and moments in the main sequences that made the EEs the definitive versions for me. I enjoyed DOS but feel that this particular film could be enhanced greatly by an EE that gives an extra 20 minutes of character moments.
Thrain (still a puzzle how this will work out) - 5 minutes
I am guessing that this will be the flashback within the Bree prologue that was omitted from the TE. Ě believe PJ left it out of the cinematic version because he said something about it being to confusing and not working for the general cinema audience, the EEs afterall are aimed at the fans.
I really want to see Sher's Thrain, only because of my own mental casting exercises prior to seeing the films, I always had Anthony Sher as Thorin, or Ken Stott in my head, although I have not been disppointed by Mr Armitage's Thorin one bit, as he as played Thorin pretty much the same way as I imagined Sher's Thorin. Although, that's not totally surprising seeing as the two toured together for many years in major RSC productions.
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BalrogTrainer
Rivendell
Aug 9 2014, 2:20am
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... leading up to the barrel escape felt kind of rushed in the theatrical cut, so I'm thinking about 60-70% of the new material will be added there (as you've postulated). The Thráin stuff will be the most difficult to gauge, since there's the whole business of him giving Gandalf the map and key, and then the two meeting again in Dol Guldur. One notable bit you omitted: the Master of Lake-town's party for the Company, which results in Bofur passing out and thus missing the boat to the Mountain the next morning.
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SafeUnderHill
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Aug 9 2014, 3:13am
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At Dragon Con, Graham McTavish mentioned that there were a few lines filmed to explain why the eagles did not take them all the way, yes. The "Never Venture East" clip from the Live Event was 20 seconds long, but there may be an extra few lines added to fit it in with the scene overall. There was also an extra 15 seconds of dialogue at the High Fells from the Live Event that was not included in the film, so perhaps that will be added back in. It's fun to speculate and do some digging, though. But Beorn, Thrain and Mirkwood is what I'm looking forward to most. :)
Do we think the eagle explanation was shot for DOS? If it is explained in the EE, it's solve the LOTR issue with it too since threes films precede LOTR.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Aug 9 2014, 3:18am
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Here's a little more description on the Appendices...
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...though still not a full breakdown. But it confirms a feature on Howard Shore's music.
From DVDActive.com:
- The Appendices Part 9: Into the Wilderland: The Chronicles of The Hobbit – Part 2 – Join cast and crew as they share their experiences making the second installment of The Hobbit trilogy in this comprehensive chronology of the production, featuring blocking and filming of key sequences – from Lake-town to Smaug’s lair – stories from the set, stunts, special effects, VFX and much more...
- The Appendices Part 10: The Journey to Erebor – Meet new characters and creatures joining the adventure while taking a revealing look at Howard Shore’s brilliant score, then watch Smaug the Magnificent and the realms of Middle-earth evolve from concept to creation, all to be captured in pioneering high-frame-rate 3D technology.
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen
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sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea
Aug 9 2014, 3:37am
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I think that would make a nice little in joke for the fans...
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Do we think the eagle explanation was shot for DOS? If it is explained in the EE, it's solve the LOTR issue with it too since threes films precede LOTR.
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Arannir
Valinor
Aug 9 2014, 5:08am
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... yes... still, this will be difficult imho. Because Gandalf can hardly tell Thorin that story in Bree - as the dwarf does not know Gandalf has the key in Bag-end.
However, he does seem to know - in Bag-end - that Gandalf has met Thrain. At least, he is no bit surprised when Gandalf tells him that he got the key from Thrain personally (despite only recently having deperately looked for his father in Dunland).
Unless Gandalf tells im about meeting Thrain - flashback - then cut back to Gandalf/Thorin and another flashback that indicates that Gandalf just thinks of the rest of the story but does not actually tell it. This might be the reason why it was too confusing for the general audience...
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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Arannir
Valinor
Aug 9 2014, 5:09am
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Brilliant :)
That is awesome news.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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TheHutt
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Aug 9 2014, 10:29am
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Full list of bonus materials...
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The Appendices Part 9: In To The Wilderland
Into The Wilderland: The Chronicles Of The Hobbit - Part 2- Opening (3:00)
- A Warm Welcome - Lake-Town - February 2012 (29:50)
- Business Of The State - The Master's Chambers - August 2011 (15:00)
- Shelter On The Long Lake - Bard's House - September 2011 (20:00)
- In The Halls Of The ElvenKing - The Woodland Realm - September 2011 (29:50)
- Flies And Spiders - Mirkwood Forest - Spetember-October 2011 (29:50)
- Queer Lodgings - Beorn's House - November 2011/March 2012 (27:00)
- On The Doorstep - The Lonely Mountain - February 2012 (18:00)
- Inside Information - Smaug's Lair - March 2012 (26:00)
- Down The Swift Dark Stream... The Forest River - December 2011 (18:00)
- Barrels Out Of Bond - The Elven Sluice - May-June 2012 (29:50)
- A Chance Meeting - Bree - May 2013 (20:00)
- Erebor Rekindled - The Dwarf-Forges - July 2013 (29:50)
- ... Into The Fire (4:00)
- Credits (4:00)
The Appendices, Part 10: The Journey To Erebor
Summoning Smaug: Last Of The Fire-Drakes (75:00)- The Last And First Dragon (25:00)
- Conversations with Smaug Summoning (25:00)
- Into The Dragon's Lair (25:00)
The Peoples And Denziens Of Middle-earth (62:00)- Beorn: The Shape-shifter (20:00)
- The Spawn of Ungoliant (15:00)
- The Men Of Lake-town (27:00)
Realms Of The Third Age: From Beorn's House To Lake-town (90:00)- Beorn's House (26:00)
- Mirkwood Forest (15:00)
- The Woodland Realm (20:00)
- Lake-town (29:50)
The Music Of The Hobbit (60:00)- 1st Movement: The World Of Men (22:00)
- 2nd Movement: In The Halls Of Erebor (18:00)
- Credits (4:00)
Source: http://www.film-arena.cz/...ah-zahranicnich-edic
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Booklet Project
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Aug 9 2014, 1:28pm
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You left something out from The Music of the Hobbit
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• Overture: Music Of The Wilderland (20:00)
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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Arannir
Valinor
Aug 9 2014, 2:37pm
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"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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