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Shagrat
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Jul 28 2014, 10:57am
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Interesting Comments from PJ regarding BOTFA
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From the same interview TheHutt posted below, but worthy of their own thread I think:
The climax, the last three minutes of the last movie, really provides us with a helluva propellant into the beginning of this film. That’s fun, not needing any time for backstory, just getting right into it and keeping a thriller pace going all the way through.
So this indicates we're not getting our customary flashback opening, which would be sad. I was really hoping for the meeting of Thorin and the other Dwarf Lords in the Blue Mountains. And speaking of that, PJ also had this to say:
Of all of them, this feels most like a thriller to me. Obviously they are fantasy action adventures but this is closest to All The President’s Men’s evolving personality-based thriller style. I’m enjoying that too. We don’t introduce any new characters. We don’t go anywhere. There’s no traveling. The dwarves and everyone else got to where they need to be, last time and everybody’s been introduced.
Do we put PJ forgetting Dain down to tiredness then? Or start to worry? 
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Bernhardina
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Jul 28 2014, 11:06am
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There is no way he is not going to introduce Dain! But Dain might have a smaller part than some of us fans are expecting. I was sort of hoping for a prologue with Dain also but in PJ we... trust... 
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Azaghâl
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Jul 28 2014, 11:08am
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Comic-con must surely have been tough on him.
If there is no opening flashback I will be very disappointed. Every ME film so far has had one and they have always been fantastic and very close to J.R.R. Tolkiens stories. And the councel of dwarfs would have been perfect. Both as a setup for Thorins need of the Arkenstone, but also to introduce Dain.
Dain is the character I was looking most forward to seeing in TABA(BotFA) and he better not cut him out or diminish his importance.
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KeenObserver
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Jul 28 2014, 11:12am
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Aw man.
I was hoping for a heartfelt flashback of young Thorin being princely or a Durin-family get together where we get to see Uncle Oakenshield play with his nephews (it wouldn't have segued well into the attack on Lake-town but gosh darn it I wouldn't have cared).
Not even a glimpse of the meeting at Ered Luin!
For shame, PJ. For shame.
Still looking forward to that riveting opening sequence though. 
”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin
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adt100
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Jul 28 2014, 11:31am
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The lack of prologue/flashback doesn't bother me, but Dain?....
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It's not confirmation that there'll be no prologue of sorts or flashback, though this doesn't really bother me. In ROTK it almost felt a little forced, positioned where it was.
Slightly worrying the comment implying no Dain though. I can't imagine he wouldn't be in it, after all, you can't just have an army of 13 dwarves and we all know Billy Connolly has filmed scenes as Dain. Who else would become King under the mountain?
Reminds me of when we heard that there was no Witch King/Gandalf confrontation, No MOS and no death of Saruman in the TC of ROTK!
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Arannir
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Jul 28 2014, 11:39am
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... he is just talking about having to use a lot of screentime for introductions.
Dain will probably be easy to introduce via the action and people talking about him.
It is not a character you need to stop and take time to specifically explain his motivation - he is easier to introduce while the action (not just fight scenes, I mean continuing story in general) continues.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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adt100
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Jul 28 2014, 11:58am
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True, that makes sense really.
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It's so easy to analyse and pick apart even the smallest comments, often jumping to entirely wrong conclusion!
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TheHutt
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Jul 28 2014, 12:02pm
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Plunging in / Flashback don't contradict...
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That's what PJ also said for DOS, that they will just plunge in without any new exposition. The flashback doesn't count, it's, well, the cold start between the film title and the title of the part.
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Arannir
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Jul 28 2014, 12:05pm
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He also said almost the same for TTT.
I still think there is a very high chance some sort of Dwarven meeting including the Iron Hills' Dwarves will be the prologue of Bot5A.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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KeenObserver
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Jul 28 2014, 12:35pm
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I hope that you guys are right.
Wasn't the DOS prologue shot during pickups?
If so, that leads me to believe that the middle chapter was lacking a prologue because the prologue that had been shot during principal photography had been moved to the final instalment.
PJ decided to shoot a prologue/flashback sequence during pickups because he wants to maintain symmetry or consistency and keep with tradition.
I like that theory.
That's what I'm going with.
”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin
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Jul 28 2014, 1:07pm
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I said this in the other thread, but I'll say it here too.
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Dain was technically mentioned/"introduced " in AUJ, so maybe that's where PJ is coming from.
How many Tolkien fans does it take to change a light bulb?
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Lindele
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Jul 28 2014, 1:35pm
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for any tidbit of information that we take everything the poor guy says to the extreme literal.
I do not believe that PJs statement in any way insinuates that we will not be introduced to Dain. In all five of the previous films there have been massive amounts of character introductions and BOTFA may only have one or two so he doesn't think of it as a film that has character introductions/a lot of story development like the others.
You could tell he was extremely tired in the interview anyway.
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Elarie
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Jul 28 2014, 1:57pm
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I think sometimes we over analyze these interviews
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These are tired people being rushed from one interview to the next and answering endless questions off the top of their head. I don't think there's really any new info here on the BOTFA - Jackson is very good at not giving away spoilers.
And once again the world has not arranged itself just for me.
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jul 28 2014, 2:31pm
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Yeah but they are well aware of our "despair"
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and like to play with us a bit, for example there was some DoS sneek peek were PJ showed by mistake or something a bunch of papers like a script were Silmarilion could be read, or perhaps I´m mistaken ant it was Star Wars VII
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Lindele
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Jul 28 2014, 2:40pm
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I do remember that....and the cartoon dragon for Smaug.
The difference is that was a planned out thing whereas this interview was him in his hotel room after 15 years of no sleep.
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jul 28 2014, 2:44pm
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hahahaha 15 years of non sleep
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But Im sure this Hobbit experience has changed his mind, about he has been surprised that no teven he could do it, but that he has enjoyed it. Is like an athletic challenge and if you are a fate believer (I dont know how to say it) perhaps all this 6 films have been only the begining to train him to do the silmarilion
Yes I know there is a huuuuge amount of material if that happens but I think PJ has found the trick and the magic to do that during The Hobbit, and that would be, (if it happens) a long but more relaxed duty to acomplish
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dormouse
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Jul 28 2014, 2:58pm
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I don't think he means no prologue...
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I think he's ruling out a 'the story so far....' opening. So there may be a prologue before the titles, then the main title, then striaght into the action, no scene-setting.
But we'll see in a few months time!
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shadowdog
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Jul 28 2014, 3:00pm
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leaving to join the fight could be part of the movie without a prologue. His background could be given at that point.
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Lindele
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Jul 28 2014, 3:06pm
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i seriously doubt there won't be some sort of prologue.
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Lindele
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Jul 28 2014, 3:09pm
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10 years ago that PJ would be writing and directing THREE Hobbit movies along with his entire creative team from LOTR, and all of the necessary actors would be returning...I would have thought it was highly improbable (as much as it would have made me ecstatic)...so in regards to The Silmarillion I have to say YOU NEVER KNOW. It sure would make this fan happy!
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Jul 28 2014, 3:13pm
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The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!
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FrogmortonJustice65
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Jul 28 2014, 4:03pm
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it will probably be similar to the final Harry Potter film.
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Which, if you remember, was also a two-part affair. Deathly Hallows part 2 expected that the audience was familiar with the characters by now, didn't waste time jumping into the story or going into further exposition. I expect the same from BOTFA.
PJ has spent 2 films building up to this climax, there really isn't much need for further elaboration, I expect him to cut to the chase after the first two Hobbit films were criticized for padding. The first 15 or 20 (perhaps even 30) minutes will pick up exactly where DoS left off, followed by some political intrigue that will likely include introducing Dain briefly.
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Jul 28 2014, 5:05pm
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Haven't anyone considered that,
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Dain may be introduced in DoS EE? 
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Eleniel
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Jul 28 2014, 6:11pm
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...rather like we got to see Denethor in the TTT EE flashback, before he entered the current storyline in RotK.
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No prologue?!
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