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CuriousG
Gondolin


May 6 2014, 1:27pm

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What's one of your favorite Tolkien quotes? Can't Post

And please let us know why you like it.

This month I'll go with this description of Bilbo's party, which I like for the humor about hobbit manners (of the lack of them):


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Bilbo Baggins called it a party, but it was really a variety of entertainments rolled into one. Practically everybody living near was invited. A very few were overlooked by accident, but as they turned up all the same, that did not matter. Many people from other parts of the Shire were also asked; and there were even a few from outside the borders. Bilbo met the guests (and additions) at the new white gate in person. He gave away presents to all and sundry – the latter were those who went out again by a back way and came in again by the gate.



Tolkien, J.R.R. (2012-02-15). The Lord of the Rings: One Volume (pp. 26-27). Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. Kindle Edition.


emre43
Nargothrond

May 6 2014, 1:55pm

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Might be the obvious answer [In reply to] Can't Post

but my favourite is "All that we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us"


Darkstone
Elvenhome


May 6 2014, 2:15pm

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“Indeed if fish had fish-lore and Wise-fish,..." [In reply to] Can't Post

"...it is probable that the business of anglers would be very little hindered.”

True.


“Do not spoil the wonder with haste!”

Words to live by.


”Charge ‘em and they scatter.”

Tolkien on driving.


“You aren't nearly through this adventure yet.”

Hope so.


“Tell me, who are you, alone, yourself and nameless?”

Profound.


“Art moves them and they don't know what they've been moved by and they get quite drunk on it.”

Tolkien knows us Americans so well.

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DaughterofLaketown
Mithlond


May 6 2014, 2:40pm

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"I know. It's all wrong. By rights we shouldn't even be here. But we are. It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something.
Frodo: What are we holding onto, Sam?
Sam: That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo... and it's worth fighting for." Sam


Bracegirdle
Doriath


May 6 2014, 4:32pm

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Not necessarily quotes but . . . some favorite words perhaps? [In reply to] Can't Post

“But I met a lot of things on the way that astonished me. Tom Bombadil I knew already; but I had never been to Bree. Strider sitting in the corner at the inn was a shock, and I had no more idea who he was than had Frodo. The Mines of Moria had been a mere name; and of Lothlorien no word had reached my mortal ears till I came there. Far away I knew there were the Horse-lords on the confines of an ancient Kingdom of Men, but Fangorn Forest was an unforeseen adventure. I had never heard of the House of Eorl nor of the Stewards of Gondor. Most disquieting of all Saruman had never been revealed to me, and I was as mystified as Frodo at Gandalf’s failure to appear on September 22. I knew nothing of the Palantiri, though the moment the Orthanc-stone was cast from the window, I recognized it, and knew the meaning of the ‘rhyme of lore’ ….. seven stars and seven stones and one white tree.Letters #163

And a favorite and moving Tolkien quote: “…when I remember blotting the pages (which now represent the welcome of Frodo and Sam on the Field of Cormallen) with tears as I wrote. Letters #241 (My bold)

His journey in writing seems as poignant and mysterious as our journey in reading.

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Riven Delve
Dor-Lomin


May 6 2014, 5:24pm

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My favorites are always changing [In reply to] Can't Post

but here's my current favorite:

Man, Sub-creator, the refracted Light
through whom is splintered from a single White
to many hues, and endlessly combined
in living shapes that move from mind to mind.
Though all the crannies of the world we filled
With Elves and Goblins, though we dared to build
Gods and their houses out of dark and light,
and sowed the seed of dragons—’twas our right
(used or misused). That right has not decayed:
we make still by the law in which we’re made.


“Tollers,” Lewis said to Tolkien, “there is too little of what we really like in stories. I am afraid we shall have to try and write some ourselves.”



BlackFox
Gondolin


May 6 2014, 6:09pm

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"Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens." // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


"Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake." - Henry David Thoreau


noWizardme
Gondolin


May 6 2014, 8:54pm

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"It's the job that's never started as takes longest to finish" [In reply to] Can't Post

(Sam remembering a saying of his Gaffer's: FOTR)
Very serviceable quote to use when reminding children about homework.

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"… ever let your aim be to come at truth, not to conquer your opponent. So you never shall be at a loss in losing the argument, and gaining a new discovery.”
Arthur Martine

"nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"


squire
Gondolin


May 6 2014, 11:12pm

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That one has quite a lot of Tolkien in it [In reply to] Can't Post

As far as I can tell, the New Line screenwriters drew on a number of Tolkien's speeches to put those lines together:

Most of it comes from the point in the story that the film is at, more or less:
‘Yes, that’s so,’ said Sam. ‘And we shouldn’t be here at all, if we’d known more about it before we started. But I suppose it’s often that way. The brave things in the old tales and songs, Mr. Frodo: adventures, as I used to call them. I used to think that they were things the wonderful folk of the stories went out and looked for, because they wanted them, because they were exciting and life was a bit dull, a kind of a sport, as you might say. But that’s not the way of it with the tales that really mattered, or the ones that stay in the mind. Folk seem to have been just landed in them, usually - their paths were laid that way, as you put it. But I expect they had lots of chances, like us, of turning back, only they didn’t. And if they had, we shouldn’t know, because they’d have been forgotten. We hear about those as just went on - and not all to a good end, mind you; at least not to what folk inside a story and not outside it call a good end. You know, coming home, and finding things all right, though not quite the same - like old Mr Bilbo. But those aren’t always the best tales to hear, though they may be the best tales to get landed in! I wonder what sort of a tale we’ve fallen into?

‘I wonder,’ said Frodo. ‘But I don’t know. And that’s the way of a real tale. Take any one that you’re fond of. You may know, or guess, what kind of a tale it is, happy-ending or sad-ending, but the people in it don’t know. And you don’t want them to.’

‘No, sir, of course not. Beren now, he never thought he was going to get that Silmaril from the Iron Crown in Thangorodrim, and yet he did, and that was a worse place and a blacker danger than ours. But that’s a long tale, of course, and goes on past the happiness and into grief and beyond it - and the Silmaril went on and came to EŠrendil. And why, sir, I never thought of that before! We’ve got - you’ve got some of the light of it in that star-glass that the Lady gave you! Why, to think of it, we’re in the same tale still! It’s going on. Don’t the great tales never end?’
(LotR IV.8, bold by squire)


A couple of the phrases, though, seem to come from later in the story:
The voices began to move away. Sam heard the sound of feet receding. He was recovering from his shock, and now a wild fury was on him. ‘I got it all wrong!‘ he cried. (IV.10)

For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach. (VI.2)

‘A great Shadow has departed,’ said Gandalf, and then he laughed and the sound was like music, or like water in a parched land; and as he listened the thought came to Sam that he had not heard laughter, the pure sound of merriment, for days upon days without count. It fell upon his ears like the echo of all the joys he had ever known. But he himself burst into tears. Then, as a sweet rain will pass down a wind of spring and the sun will shine out the clearer, his tears ceased, and his laughter welled up, and laughing he sprang from his bed. (VI.4)

And of course the heart of Sam's speech in the film, his conclusion that the heroes of the great stories were holding on to the idea that there's some good in the world that's worth fighting for never appears in Tolkien's writings in any direct statement. Some critics have even accused the screenwriters of serious distortion or at least simplification of LotR's themes on that point.



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demnation
Nargothrond

May 6 2014, 11:37pm

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I wouldn't say simplified [In reply to] Can't Post

maybe "distilled" would be a better term, as is necessary when adapting something. Even a cursory glance at the book text would reveal that more interesting things are being said there (in comparison to the quote from the movie) even if all the book quote don't sound very "quotable."

"It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till. What weather they shall have is not ours to rule." Gandalf, "The Last Debate."


Brethil
Gondolin


May 7 2014, 12:43am

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Frodo to Pippin [In reply to] Can't Post

'And now leave me in peace for a bit! I don't want to answer a string of questions while I am eating. I want to think!'
'Good heavens!' said Pippin. 'At breakfast?'



Not quite a morning-person, dear Frodo. I get that.

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cats16
Gondolin


May 7 2014, 12:47am

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I remember this quote... [In reply to] Can't Post

...from my last read-through of the trilogy. That scene is so lighthearted compared to the rest of the pre-Bree chapters. I'm always relieved when it's morning in LOTR (for the most part).


Brethil
Gondolin


May 7 2014, 12:52am

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That lightness early on [In reply to] Can't Post

makes the events and changes that happen to the Hobbits, especially Pippin, seem so looming by contrast. But maybe that light heart is one thing the Hobbits have going for them.

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squire
Gondolin


May 7 2014, 1:00am

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"Now it is a strange thing, but things that are good to have and days that are good to spend are soon told about, and not much to listen to; while things that are uncomfortable, palpitating, and even gruesome, may make a good tale, and take a deal of telling anyway." (The Hobbit, III)

Tolkien explains thusly why he intends to cover Bilbo's and the dwarves' two weeks in Elrond's house in a single paragraph, before moving on to the night before their departure. But the same statement could cover a lot of similarly skipped-over rest stops in LotR and especially the Sil. I've always liked this frank acknowledgement that a quiet R&R break may be desirable from a personal point of view, but has no place in a ripping yarn.

I also like the use of "palpitating" in a children's story.



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cats16
Gondolin


May 7 2014, 1:18am

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So true. [In reply to] Can't Post

Pippin grows on me over time. His arc is quite distinct throughout the chaos of the War of the Ring. It's very noticeable in the Scouring.

*waves* Seems like we hadn't crossed paths here for awhile. Hope things are going well! I'm hoping to be back in the RR starting tonight for CoH.


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Brethil
Gondolin


May 7 2014, 1:55am

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Wonderful to see you Cats! So glad to be setting off on CoH with such great company.

In truth I haven't been around as much as I would have liked, as the last few months have been very rocky. Hoping for better things!

I agree on Pippin's arc (and I do admit that Billy's voice is the Pippin-voice that I hear in my head, even in that unfilmed quote, for example). I will also admit I missed a lot of his changes in the first few read-throughs of LOTR. As I became more attached, it became easier to not just be exasperated or amused but to see him changing and growing.

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nandorin elf
Nevrast


May 7 2014, 2:33am

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Just one? [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't think I can pick just one, so here's two from the Hobbit


"There is nothing like looking, if you want to find something (or so Thorin said to the young dwarves). You certainly usually find something, if you look, but it is not always quite the something you were after." This always makes me laugh. I usually think of it when looking for something I've lost.


"I have heard songs of many battles, and I have always understood that defeat may be glorious. It seems very uncomfortable, not to say distressing. I wish I was well out of it." This has stuck with me since I read the Hobbit as a ten year old.


DaughterofLaketown
Mithlond


May 7 2014, 3:13am

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Oh I love Pippin [In reply to] Can't Post

He became my favorite Hobbit in ROTK. His character is much richer in the book than we get to see in the films. I loved Billy Boyd though. I still get emotional when I hear the song he sings for Denethor.


cats16
Gondolin


May 7 2014, 3:47am

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Ataahua
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May 7 2014, 4:35am

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I love these small moments of humour [In reply to] Can't Post

that Tolkien sneaks in when you don't expect them. It's similar to one of my favourites, after Lobelia has said Frodo isn't a proper Baggins but is a Brandybuck.

Frodo: "Did you hear that, Merry? I think that was an insult."
"It was a compliment," said Merry Brandybuck,"and so, not true."

Cool


Some of my other favourites:

'His cat', he calls her, but she owns him not. (Very sly, Professor.)

“Tell me, who are you, alone, yourself and nameless?”


But right now, this is my favourite passage in the book - when Frodo came to Cerin Amroth in Lothlorien. (Who knows what will be my favourite in five years' time?)


The others cast themselves down upon the fragrant grass, but Frodo stood awhile in still lost in wonder. It seemed to him that he had stepped through a high window that looked on a vanished world. A light was upon it for which his language had no name. All that he saw was shapely, but the shapes seemed at once clear-cut, as if they had been first conceived and drawn at the uncovering of his eyes, and ancient as if they had endured for ever. He saw no colour but those he knew, gold and white and blue and green, but they were fresh and poignant, as if he had at that moment first perceived them and made for them names new and wonderful. In winter here no heart could mourn for the summer or spring.
He turned and saw that Sam was now standing beside him, looking round with a puzzled expression, and rubbing his eyes as if he was not sure that he was awake. "It's sunlight and bright day, right enough,' he said. 'I thought that Elves were all for moon and stars: but this is more elvish than anything I ever heard tell of. I feel as if I was inside a song, if you take my meaning."
Frodo felt that he was in a timeless land that did not fade or change or fall into forgetfulness. When he had gone and passed again into the outer world, still Frodo the wanderer from the Shire would walk there, upon the grass among elanor and niphredil in fair Lothlórien.



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Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

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EomundDaughter
Menegroth

May 7 2014, 4:29pm

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If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, [In reply to] Can't Post

Says it all....

If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold,
it would be a merrier world.”


J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit


EomundDaughter
Menegroth

May 7 2014, 4:37pm

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From Book of Lost Tales [In reply to] Can't Post

What a wonderful description...

“He was tall as a young tree, lithe, immensely strong, able swiftly to draw a great war-bow and shoot down a Nazgûl, endowed with the tremendous vitality of Elvish bodies, so hard and resistant to hurt that he went only in light shoes over rock or through snow, the most tireless of all the Fellowship.”


Brethil
Gondolin


May 7 2014, 7:18pm

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I do love the twinkles of humor too, Ataahua [In reply to] Can't Post

The cat comment I must have read and reread a dozen times...just taken aback that in the middle of the monstrosity of Shelob and Sauron, here was a twinkle of humor.

I posted this one a while back - more Frodo, in the Three's Company chapter of FOTR; wordessly Frodo rolls sleepy Pippin out of his bedroll (which I can so picture, with our film group of Hobbits), and when asked about water by Pippin replies, "I don't keep water in my pockets."Laugh

I find the same little gems in Letters, where some of his comments crack me up, and often unexpectedly. When discussing a certain gentleman named Ohlmark's preface to the Swedish translation of LOTR (in which JRRT also disagrees with his construct of likening the One to the Nibelungen Ring). The gentleman writes a long, (and shall we say ... tedious?) description of the possession of the Nibelungen Ring:

[Ohlmark:]...which was originally forged by Volund the master-smith, and then by way of Vittka-Andvare passed through the hands of the mighty asar (AEsir) into the possession of Hreidmar and the dragon, after the dragon's fall coming to Sigurd the dragonslayer, after his murder by treacherous conspirators coming to the Burgundians, after their death in Atle's snake-pit coming to the Huns, then to the sons of Jonaker, to the Gothic tyrant Ermanrick, etc.

[JRRT] Thank heaven for the etc. I began to fear it would turn up in my pocket.

LaughLaughLaugh

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CuriousG
Gondolin


May 7 2014, 7:29pm

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Completely LOL, Brethil! [In reply to] Can't Post


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[Ohlmark:]...which was originally forged by Volund the master-smith, and then by way of Vittka-Andvare passed through the hands of the mighty asar (AEsir) into the possession of Hreidmar and the dragon, after the dragon's fall coming to Sigurd the dragonslayer, after his murder by treacherous conspirators coming to the Burgundians, after their death in Atle's snake-pit coming to the Huns, then to the sons of Jonaker, to the Gothic tyrant Ermanrick, etc.

[JRRT] Thank heaven for the etc. I began to fear it would turn up in my pocket.




cats16
Gondolin


May 7 2014, 7:33pm

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That's fantastic. // [In reply to] Can't Post

Laugh

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