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Elessar
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Jan 16 2014, 3:13pm

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I thought Legolas was just fine and didn't take anything away from the LOTR version. I liked that we saw he was a bit like his Dad and it will make his warming up to Gimli even more special IMO over time.



arithmancer
Hithlum


Jan 16 2014, 3:23pm

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It appears on several Elves in Mirkwood. Tauriel's possession of it is therefore not exceptional in the filmverse.

Personally, I found it a good visual way to differentiate the Mirkwood Elves from others in ME, in the filmverse.



There&ThereAgain
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Jan 16 2014, 4:39pm

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I like that you are accusing the female elf of making Legolas a petty jerk. Maybe he was that way anyway? At least in PJ's world. I think what they are doing is showing that Legolas is a more ignorant young prince more in line with the world established by his father and that we will see his growth to a more worldly and curious elf, someone who upon seeing the opportunity, go and join the Fellowship.

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Avandel
Gondolin

Jan 16 2014, 5:43pm

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but how is a very good question. For me I guess it would have taken a bit of time - but I could see a scene where Legolas questions the wisdom of imprisoning the dwarves for an indeterminate length of time - not really being rebellious but something like "Tauriel is not wrong, the creatures grow more numerous and bolder, and there are others worse that we have found. Darkness and rot creep at our borders. Will you still hold these dwarves - it will arouse the ire of the dwarf kingdoms when our defenses are strained - the forest has many eyes, their passage will not have been secret. Release them, they are few and no threat to us - the land, starvation, or the mountains will be their end, but we cannot afford more enemies."

Something like that, something showing Legolas is a king-in-training, a badass yes but has other ideas than his father, not sure the elven kingdom IS something that can be safely held now (even if it has for hundreds of years), while not so open an elf as Tauriel. And perhaps having a bit more bitter humor with the dwarves. Make him a little less one-note grim - the only time we see a bit of another side to him is at the river w. Tauriel.


Bard'sBlackArrow
Menegroth


Jan 16 2014, 6:15pm

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Her story arc is contrived and forced and comes across like fan fiction shoehorned into the script. She's completely superfluous and her story arc did nothing to move the story forward, and in fact, detracted from it and resulted in some unfavorable deviations from the source material. Removing the character and her story arc would result in a tighter and more engaging plot, it would improve the pace, and it would improve canon character story arcs by allowing filmmakers to devote more screen time to integral characters like Bilbo. She strays too far from canon, IMO, and her inclusion coupled with the Kili story arc diminish the Legolas/Gimli and the Gimli/Galadriel moments, while serving absolutely no purpose in the grand scheme of things. I didn't need this Kili/Tauriel nonsense to care about Kili's fate, and she wasn't a necessary element to explore Thranduil's isolationist policies. Legolas would have sufficed. I wish they had instead explored the father/son dynamic because then Legolas wouldn't have been reduced to the third wheel in an unnecessary love triangle and an acrobatic orc killing machine. (And yeah, I get that some of you didn't think it was a love triangle. If it in fact doesn't exist, we sure wasted a lot of screen time alluding to the possibility, such as Thranduil's dialogue with Tauriel, etc.)

And it's why I feel Tauriel is a Mary Sue--she's entirely "too much": She’s not only a female but the best fighter* and a healer. She’s got a dwarf and an elvish Prince 'fawning' over her. She’s got red hair, a rarity in the Tolkien realm**, that's longer than even Lady Galadriel's or Arwen's. She has a dark and dismal past (orphaned when her parents were killed by orcs) and was taken in and favored by the King. She’s rebellious and despite only being 600 years old, has risen to the position of the Captain of the Guard. The list goes on... She's what's known as a "Special Snowflake" in that she has traits (and a back story) that set her apart from her race (traits such as rebelliousness, able to fall in love-at-first-sight with a dwarf and instantly sympathize with their plight, incredibly long flowing red hair, an overwhelming concern for outside realms and races, plus those mentioned above in the "too much" section. And, she seems unusually complicated and conflicted for a Silvan elf).

*Canon: Sure, there were a handful of female elf 'warriors' in Tolkien's writings, such as Luthien and Aredhel, but they were few and far between. And let's not forget: Luthien was a Princess of Doriath (and the daughter of Elu Thingol, King of Doriath, and his Queen, Melian the Maia), and Aredhel was a Princess of Gondolin (also known as the White Lady of the Ñoldor). They were unique and for good reason.

**Canon: red hair is a rarity among elves known to only exist in Feanor’s line via Nerdanel. It made them unique in Tolkien's world. Tauriel is not of his line--Feanor was the High King of the Noldor. In addition, Tauriel gets the 'absurd hair award' from me. Not only is it unsuitable for battle but it looks ridiculous.


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While I certainly agree that Legolas in the Hobbit movies is far from my perspective of the elf, I'm far more concerned that for the sake of some very cheap entertainment, the team diminishes the importance of the Legolas/Gimpli plot line in terms of elf/dwarf relationship in Tolkien's world. The importance of Legolas/Gimli relationship in Tolkien's world is great because it's unique for the time it happens due to the past of both races. With the unnecessary inclusions of characters and plot lines in the Hobbit, any future viewer who will see first the Hobbit trilogy and then the LOTR one will be lost for the importance of the mentioned relationship. That's why I refuse to watch these movies again. I'm very displeased with what they did this time. Without any perspective, without any further consideration, and without respect for Tolkien's world in which namely Legolas and Gimpli brought the change, not some Elvish Lara Croft. Enough said.

P.S. I, being a female, have zero understanding for any desires to include "female heroines". If I want movies with female heroines, there are plenty out there. To create unexisting such characters and implant them in a story receives also zero appreciation from me.



Elves?!? I don't need no stinkin' Elves. :D


7.62 mm FMJ
Nevrast


Jan 16 2014, 6:39pm

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The addition of Tauriel (while a poorly executed concept) doesn't automatically mean that Legolas should become a such a dick. As I've said, he can be better written regardless of whether Tauriel is added or not.

Sorry, but while I don't like Tauriel, I simply don't buy the argument that the concept of a fleshed-out female captain and a well written/portrayed Legolas (and other characters) are mutually exclusive.

Regarding red hair, yeah, that's pretty jarring when it comes to canon, though several elves in DOS also had red hair, so it's not just her alone.


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Rowan Greene
Menegroth


Jan 16 2014, 6:49pm

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I'm sorry but where did I state the two were mutually exclusive? My statement addresses the story and character as written and how it played out on screen.

It didn't work for me.


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The addition of Tauriel (while a poorly executed concept) doesn't automatically mean that Legolas should become a such a dick. As I've said, he can be better written regardless of whether Tauriel is added or not.

Sorry, but while I don't like Tauriel, I simply don't buy the argument that the concept of a fleshed-out female captain and a well written/portrayed Legolas (and other characters) are mutually exclusive.

Regarding red hair, yeah, that's pretty jarring when it comes to canon, though several elves in DOS also had red hair, so it's not just her alone.




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Elizabeth
Gondolin


Jan 16 2014, 7:02pm

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...were adventurous, but neither was a "warrior" in any sense.

I agree, Tauriel is a Mary Sue from start to finish. And the hair is ridiculous. I can forgive red hair, but not the utterly impractical long hair, completely unsuited to a serious fighter.








simplyaven
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Jan 16 2014, 7:34pm

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We never saw what you describe in FOTR, in PJ's FOTR! From moment one when we meet Legolas at Elrond's council about the ring, Legolas stands up in defense of Aragorn and shows not only good knowledge but also respect and wisdom. Thus, whatever development we assume he undewent, if any, it should have happened before we start watching FOTR. As the two trilogies are meant to be seen one after another, Legolas shoudl be given the time to change now, as there is no such time later. The change towards Gimli is already well portrayed in LOTR trilogy and diminished by the inclusion of Tara Croft.

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There&ThereAgain
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Jan 16 2014, 7:49pm

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There are several moments in Fellowship where Legolas reveals some of his old dwarf grudges (outside the gates of moria for example).

My problem is more that Legolas goes from a rather insubstantial character in LOTR (as someone else mentioned, he's pretty much just ass-kicking eye candy) to having an extensive back story that isn't really necessary.

I would have rather the focus be more on the dynamic of an isolationist king and a young open-minded, but naive elf. Having an iconic secondary character placed into the middle of all this debate is just jarring (to me).

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simplyaven
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Jan 16 2014, 7:57pm

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which is why I said it was already developed in the LOTR trilogy. But we never see him as ignorant or arrogant otherwise in LOTR so it's strange to make him such in the Hobbit while not allowing enough time for the character to change. In FOTR Legolas has respect towards Aragorn, for example. Naturally he does have the same towards the mightier Elves but towards an exile? It shows wisdom and respect towards the mankind in Middle Earth and their history. This doesn't fit with some arrogant Elvish prince in the Hobbit with no time to turn into a respectful companion and wise friend and supporter. I don't see him as just an eye-candy in LOTR and never have. Elves were always described as creatures with beauty and grace, so it would be strange if the casting didn't show that. Each one of the Elves in the LOTR trilogy has parts of these traits, IMHO. To me, for example, Haldir is far more handsome. Matter of taste.

The storyline with dwarves is a completely different issue in Tolkien's work and I don't discuss it here, besides it was already harmed enough by the inclusion of Tara Croft, IMHO. I'm grateful Tolkien si at a better place already and hopefully they don't show the Hobbit trilogy there. PJ went too far.

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Rowan Greene
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Jan 16 2014, 8:20pm

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Legolas was just "eye candy" in LoTR? Huh?

60 years is but a mere blink in the life of an elf, after all. I too have a hard time reconciling the DoS Legolas with the LoTR Legolas. And if they use the fabricated Mary Sue to "support/explain" this change or her fate as a catalyst for this change I shall forever lose faith in PJ & Co.


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which is why I said it was already developed in the LOTR trilogy. But we never see him as ignorant or arrogant otherwise in LOTR so it's strange to make him such in the Hobbit while not allowing enough time for the character to change. In FOTR Legolas has respect towards Aragorn, for example. Naturally he does have the same towards the mightier Elves but towards an exile? It shows wisdom and respect towards the mankind in Middle Earth and their history. This doesn't fit with some arrogant Elvish prince in the Hobbit with no time to turn into a respectful companion and wise friend and supporter. I don't see him as just an eye-candy in LOTR and never have. Elves were always described as creatures with beauty and grace, so it would be strange if the casting didn't show that. Each one of the Elves in the LOTR trilogy has parts of these traits, IMHO. To me, for example, Haldir is far more handsome. Matter of taste.

The storyline with dwarves is a completely different issue in Tolkien's work and I don't discuss it here, besides it was already harmed enough by the inclusion of Tara Croft, IMHO. I'm grateful Tolkien si at a better place already and hopefully they don't show the Hobbit trilogy there. PJ went too far.




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There&ThereAgain
Nargothrond


Jan 16 2014, 8:51pm

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They don't use the death of a woman to explain Legolas's change in character either. That's such a tired trope and sexist trope.

I also hope that they don't kill Tauriel because she's awesome. Cool

"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien

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Avandel
Gondolin

Jan 16 2014, 10:22pm

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"They don't use the death of a woman to explain Legolas's change in character either. That's such a tired trope and sexist trope."

*Gloomily* I've thought that's what will happen from the moment the character description was released - especially EL talking about how she has a significant role to play. To my mind all of the significant roles and pivotal events are already taken up by the original characters, unless they are going to shoehorn in something that would cause a riot among fans. So what can she do that is "pivotal"? Die, basically, and be the reason that Thranduil and/or Legolas change their isolationist views blah blah, over the tragedy of it all. But the general movie audience might love a scenario like that. (As for staying alive and bringing Kili's stone to Dis - no. An elf? How much worse that would be for Dis.)

And PJ and Boyens don't seem to mind "sexist trope", otherwise the "feminine energy" Tauriel would have been an older, more believable captain of the guard, instead of young, pretty, appealing and all that. Or not been there at all, since I think it was sexist to assume a male-dominated book NEEDED to have more females put in (I liked Tauriel. But she didn't need to be there - tho can't imagine that lovely prison scene w. Legolas telling Kili his promise was precious and pure...)


marillaraina
Nargothrond


Jan 16 2014, 10:53pm

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...were adventurous, but neither was a "warrior" in any sense.

I agree, Tauriel is a Mary Sue from start to finish. And the hair is ridiculous. I can forgive red hair, but not the utterly impractical long hair, completely unsuited to a serious fighter.


We see plenty of male elves with quite long hair, maybe not as long as hers but certainly and most definitely long, at least halfway down their backs if not more, and it's every bit as "impractical" in a realistic sense when it comes to being a warrior as her longer hair is.

If no one has seen fit to complain about Elrond's hair, or Legolas' hair or Thranduil's hair or how about the dwarves and their long hair, Thorin's is pretty long, Kili's isn't as long but he only a simple clasp, Fili's has a few little braids - all of them have hair that would be quite easily graspable to an enemy and in their cases more likely to hang in their faces than the way the elves have their's styles. Never mind the dwarves with the long beards.

The fact is any of them wearing it in any way that is not tightly tied back and preferably held close to the head in some sort of bun like style, are being impractical, not just Tauriel and it's no more ridiculous on her than it is on them.


marillaraina
Nargothrond


Jan 16 2014, 11:00pm

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which is why I said it was already developed in the LOTR trilogy. But we never see him as ignorant or arrogant otherwise in LOTR so it's strange to make him such in the Hobbit while not allowing enough time for the character to change. In FOTR Legolas has respect towards Aragorn, for example. Naturally he does have the same towards the mightier Elves but towards an exile? It shows wisdom and respect towards the mankind in Middle Earth and their history. This doesn't fit with some arrogant Elvish prince in the Hobbit with no time to turn into a respectful companion and wise friend and supporter. I don't see him as just an eye-candy in LOTR and never have. Elves were always described as creatures with beauty and grace, so it would be strange if the casting didn't show that. Each one of the Elves in the LOTR trilogy has parts of these traits, IMHO. To me, for example, Haldir is far more handsome. Matter of taste.

The storyline with dwarves is a completely different issue in Tolkien's work and I don't discuss it here, besides it was already harmed enough by the inclusion of Tara Croft, IMHO. I'm grateful Tolkien si at a better place already and hopefully they don't show the Hobbit trilogy there. PJ went too far.


What does Legolas attitude towards the dwarves have to do with his attitude towards humanity? We see no evidence he doesn't still have the same attitude towards humanity as he has in LOTR. Legolas has a bad attitude towards dwarves, that's all we've seen. Everything else about him can be the same - we didn't see him on his home turf in LOTR.

People are often quite different "at home" than they are when they are someplace else. He's at home, he's got orcs and wargs and spiders coming into it and then these damn dwarves, who I'm sure he's heard plenty of nasty stories about from Thrandy. He's not having a good few weeks. :)

His very first attitude towards dwarves in LOTR during the Council scene was quite harsh as I recall and IMO rather in fitting with what we are seeing here.


Rowan Greene
Menegroth


Jan 16 2014, 11:29pm

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Legolas, Elrond, and Thranduil may have long hair but it doesn't fall almost to their knees like Tauriel's hair does--their hair is considerably shorter. Tauriel is the Captain of the Guard--she's on the front lines probably every day. Lord Elrond and King Thranduil aren't out fighting off orcs, wargs, or spiders on a daily basis. Legolas may be out there fighting but his hair is nowhere near as long as hers.

None of the dwarves serve as "Captain of the Guard" and none of them have hair anywhere near as long as Tauriel's--or at least if Bombur does, we can't tell because it's braided. Plus, I don't recall seeing the dwarves spinning around on spiderwebs or flipping through the air performing aerial acrobatics (Bombur's barrel maneuvers aside) so a bit of unruly hair (or beard hair) isn't as likely to be a problem--like getting twisted up on said spiderwebs or wrapped around one's bow. But the length...you really can't compare it to the male elves mentioned or even the dwarves. Unsure

I personally find Tauriel's hair to be absolutely ridiculous and not just the length but the weird twirly thing going on at the bottom. I just think it's overkill. (Plus, I didn't see any other Silvan elves with hair that long. See--a "special snowflake.")

I believe Lilly even remarked in an interview that her wig weighed 20 or more lbs and gave her migraines and back/neck pain. She said they couldn't pay her enough to sleep in it (to save time)--they were joking, of course.


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...were adventurous, but neither was a "warrior" in any sense.

I agree, Tauriel is a Mary Sue from start to finish. And the hair is ridiculous. I can forgive red hair, but not the utterly impractical long hair, completely unsuited to a serious fighter.


We see plenty of male elves with quite long hair, maybe not as long as hers but certainly and most definitely long, at least halfway down their backs if not more, and it's every bit as "impractical" in a realistic sense when it comes to being a warrior as her longer hair is.

If no one has seen fit to complain about Elrond's hair, or Legolas' hair or Thranduil's hair or how about the dwarves and their long hair, Thorin's is pretty long, Kili's isn't as long but he only a simple clasp, Fili's has a few little braids - all of them have hair that would be quite easily graspable to an enemy and in their cases more likely to hang in their faces than the way the elves have their's styles. Never mind the dwarves with the long beards.

The fact is any of them wearing it in any way that is not tightly tied back and preferably held close to the head in some sort of bun like style, are being impractical, not just Tauriel and it's no more ridiculous on her than it is on them.




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Thyia
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Jan 17 2014, 12:14am

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If any hair is longer than a crew cut, it's at risk for getting in the way for any warrior/soldier in reality. However, ALL the elves we've ever been shown in PJ's films have pretty long hair, and the Dwarfs have long hair & beards too (well, most of them). We've never been shown an elf with short hair in these movies, so I have no reason to believe that any of them wear their hair short for any reason. They all wear their hair long, and it's not been shown to ever be a problem. Did Legolas tie his hair up in LOTR when he was fighting? Nope. Did Haldir at Helm's Deep? Nope. Did the elven hunters who were patrolling during the spider scene in DOS? Nope. All had long, flowing, get-in-the-way hair. If we can accept the fact that none of these have ever had a problem before, than I see no reason to pick on Tauriel for her excessively long hair.

Perhaps the elves have inborn gracefulness that keeps all Orcs and other assorted evil do-ers from grabbling a handful of their hair and tugging them down with it. Or maybe it's just too greasy to hold on to, or has a magic forcefield.

Anything more than a handful, is a liability. Wink


Rowan Greene
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Jan 17 2014, 1:04am

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Nobody is "picking on" Tauriel. I simply feel her hair is ridiculous. It's considerably longer than the elves you mentioned so there's really no comparison. They could have given her longish hair but instead they chose to give her excessively long, silly looking hair that we've yet to see on any other elf. Because--gasp!!--we can't have her looking like an ordinary Silvan elf. That wouldn't be special enough. Crazy

Interesting blog post on Tauriel's hair: http://emeralddarkness.tumblr.com/...-i-dont-like-tauriel


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If any hair is longer than a crew cut, it's at risk for getting in the way for any warrior/soldier in reality. However, ALL the elves we've ever been shown in PJ's films have pretty long hair, and the Dwarfs have long hair & beards too (well, most of them). We've never been shown an elf with short hair in these movies, so I have no reason to believe that any of them wear their hair short for any reason. They all wear their hair long, and it's not been shown to ever be a problem. Did Legolas tie his hair up in LOTR when he was fighting? Nope. Did Haldir at Helm's Deep? Nope. Did the elven hunters who were patrolling during the spider scene in DOS? Nope. All had long, flowing, get-in-the-way hair. If we can accept the fact that none of these have ever had a problem before, than I see no reason to pick on Tauriel for her excessively long hair.

Perhaps the elves have inborn gracefulness that keeps all Orcs and other assorted evil do-ers from grabbling a handful of their hair and tugging them down with it. Or maybe it's just too greasy to hold on to, or has a magic forcefield.

Anything more than a handful, is a liability. Wink




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arithmancer
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Jan 17 2014, 1:37am

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...her hair was designed longer than the other Elves we meet (which, as others have noted, is already quite long) because she is female. I see no reason to suppose that other female Silvan Elves have shorter hair than she does.



Thyia
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Jan 17 2014, 1:45am

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...her hair was designed longer than the other Elves we meet (which, as others have noted, is already quite long) because she is female. I see no reason to suppose that other female Silvan Elves have shorter hair than she does.


Absolutely, we don't overtly see any other female elves with that kind of detail. And it's also possible, that because of her rank as Captain of the Guards, that she can have the longer hair if she wishes. Or perhaps it's simply personal choice. I get that it's totally impractical by human standards, but alas these are film elves.


simplyaven
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Jan 17 2014, 1:51am

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What I responded to? have I ever said anywhere there is anything in common between his attitude towards dwarves and men or was I saying the opposite? Thank you for reading.

His attitude towards everyone and everything else showed respect and dignity and wisdom. I would have hard times relating a Hobbit Legolas - arrogant jealous Elvish prince to the FOTR Legolas. That's all, it's that simple to me. If there is no time for character development, there is no space for character twisting.

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simplyaven
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Jan 17 2014, 1:53am

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Jan 17 2014, 1:59am

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Jan 17 2014, 2:09am

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Her hair is longer... [In reply to] Can't Post

Than both Arwen's and Galadriel's, not to mention all the random female elves we saw in Rivendell.
Arwen: http://i20.photobucket.com/...irl85/Arwen_hair.jpg
http://www.theargonath.cc/...ures/afotrsword4.jpg
Galadriel: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/...iBbkCy0/s640/hgf.jpg
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/...el_of_Lothlorien.png
Tauriel: http://hannahstantongockel.files.wordpress.com/...05db88fc3593643b.jpg
http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/...nd_Legolas_still.jpg

I didn't see any other female elves roaming around the woodland realm so I can't speak to their hair length, but I can't imagine all the female Silvan elves have longer hair than both Lady Galadriel and Lady Arwen. Unless they're all special like Tauriel, who--silly me---is unique among the elven race so of course she has special hair (to complement all of her other extraordinary qualities).

I, for one, and finished discussing Mary Sue's hair. I've made my point many times over already.


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...her hair was designed longer than the other Elves we meet (which, as others have noted, is already quite long) because she is female. I see no reason to suppose that other female Silvan Elves have shorter hair than she does.



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