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News from Bree
spymaster@theonering.net
Dec 31 2013, 1:09pm
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'The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey' is 2013's most pirated film
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 While this probably isn't a distinction that anybody involved with the film would be particularly happy about, The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey has topped 2013's list of most pirated movies. According to TorrentFreak, the film was illegally downloaded an estimated 8.4 million times. Coming in at second & third place were Django Unchained and Fast and Furious 6, with 8.1 and 7.9 million downloads respectively. How much the film's box office was or wasn't impacted is difficult to know. The film grossed over 1 billion in worldwide box office receipts.
The Complete Top 10 List:
Rank |
Movie |
Estimated Downloads |
Worldwide Box Office |
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The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
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8,400,000 |
$1,017,003,568 |
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Django Unchained |
8,100,000 |
$425,368,238 |
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Fast And Furious 6 |
7,900,000 |
$788,679,850 |
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Iron Man 3 |
7,600,000 |
$1,215,439,994 |
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Silver Linings Playbook |
7,500,000 |
$236,412,453 |
6 |
Star Trek Into Darkness |
7,400,000 |
$467,365,246 |
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Gangster Squad |
7,200,000 |
$105,200,903 |
8 |
Now You See Me |
7,000,000 |
$351,723,989 |
9 |
The Hangover Part 3 |
6,900,000 |
$351,000,072 |
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World War Z |
6,700,000 |
$540,007,876 |
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Owain
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Dec 31 2013, 7:07pm
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to me at all.
Game of Thrones was the same way.
I think there is a hunger for really good story telling particularly in the genre of fantasy but a lot of people don't want to fork over the money for some reason.
Some argue that the piracy numbers were up because AUJ had really bad word of mouth so people didn't want to spend anything to see it.
So some still want to see it... but if there is no perceived value because of the quality (because someone else said so) then it's not worth paying for and it's ok to illegally download it? Or said another way, if it's not a good movie/tv show then the makers don't deserve to be payed?
Well there are plenty of fans that will argue the positive quality of both The Hobbit and Game of Thrones. But let's say you're in the other camp. "Terrible movies, terrible show".
Does that give people the right to download it free of charge?
Let's say you run a restaurant. You prepare the meal just as you have for hundreds of pleased customers, except a group comes in... eats all of the food and then says, we aren't paying because it's not to our tastes. It would be one thing if they had taken a bite, complained and left without paying. But to eat the whole meal and then complain and not want to pay for it?
Now... if the picture quality was terrible or the sound was disrupted or a fellow patron would not get off their phone the entire movie, I understand wanting a refund from the facility for not maintaining the theatre environment.
But when did it become ok for us to take something from someone else and deem whether they are worthy to be paid based upon our like or dislike of the content?
Sure there are "pay what you will" models out there... but they've accepted that structure.
The movie business has not.
Ok rant over.
Middle Earth is New Zealand!
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Wilfred
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Dec 31 2013, 7:12pm
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Does the $1bn box office include DVD and Blu-ray sales? I'd like to see the isolated figures for media and legal download sales cf. other 2013 releases. That might be a better indicator of the effect of illegal downloads.
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Owain
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Dec 31 2013, 7:16pm
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No the box office does not include...
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ancillary sales of DVDs, Blurays etc.
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Wilfred
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Dec 31 2013, 7:30pm
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It'd be good to know those figures once sales have settled down.
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poochies
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Dec 31 2013, 8:42pm
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those are all pretty good movies , I just think because they're so popular they're being downloaded more
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And probably in less wealthy nations, I'm sure the piracy is rampant... I travel to Kuwait and bishkek , Kyrgystan on a regualr basis, and selling pirated movies is a legit business there
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patrickk
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Dec 31 2013, 8:43pm
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...is an extra $100m
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TheRealBeren
Ossiriand
Jan 1 2014, 12:17am
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What if you do both? Are you more legitimate to illegally dwnld the film if you already paid to see it once?
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Owain
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Jan 1 2014, 12:22am
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No it's not legitimate as you put it...
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there's nothing legitimate about it.
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Owain
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Jan 1 2014, 12:25am
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You paid for the right to view the film in a sanctioned environment for a 1 time viewing. Another ticket gets you another viewing.
Buying the Bluray, digital download or dvd is what gives you unlimited viewings.
Even after you buy the physical copy you don't own the property. You have purchased a license to view it.
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poochies
Ossiriand
Jan 1 2014, 12:44am
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Ok let me rephrase that, the folk selling the bootlegs in those areas think it's legit...
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On a further note, I do remember one of the shops in Kuwait getting shut down, it was a big shop.... so I guess the long arm of the law is reaching out further... And I'm traveling to Bolivia a lot lately, and there's vendors selling bootlegs on every corner in Santa cruz....
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TheRealBeren
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Jan 1 2014, 1:02am
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I'm glad you mentioned the key word here, "property". Because I consider to be more significant than the supposed denial of the right to ownership, the underlying social construct which defines the concept of property. So by observing the origin of this notion and seeing that, in this case, the right to property implies hiring labor restricted to its own surplus value, one has every moral right to oppose such a process. So in a sense, by choosing not to participate in this sanctioned environment one not only "breaks the law" but also challenges a system that treates its employees as mere fodder in the great cycle. Which is as legitimate as it can get.
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DavidDevant
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Jan 1 2014, 1:07am
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Hence the tremendous successes of Soviet cinema!
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TheRealBeren
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Jan 1 2014, 1:21am
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I believe success is relative.
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DavidDevant
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Jan 1 2014, 1:25am
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And relatively less successful would be difficult to argue with, I would think.
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TheRealBeren
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Jan 1 2014, 1:28am
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relative to box office, cultural impact, popularity, legacy etc.
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Many of their films were quite successful in certain regions, but I digress.
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Owain
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Jan 1 2014, 2:29am
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Yeah it's pretty simple... it's the property of the studio.
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They got the rights, they produced it, they sell you a right to view, not distribute how you please.
End of story.
Middle Earth is New Zealand!
"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."
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Owain
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Jan 1 2014, 2:32am
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Then I guess you won't mind if people take your property.
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Intellectual, tangible... whatever.
Or not pay you for any labor that you do.
If I don't perceive any value in what you do, then I'll just take it.
No big deal... what is yours is mine.
Middle Earth is New Zealand!
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Owain
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Jan 1 2014, 2:46am
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Ok let me rephrase that, the folk selling the bootlegs in those areas think it's legit
Those that illegally obtain copies of the work and then sell it are profiting off of stolen goods.
Those that download a copy illegally are stealing it.
Middle Earth is New Zealand!
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Cirashala
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Jan 1 2014, 2:56am
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In fact, I hate illegal piracy too.
I wonder if the upsurge of illegal downloads for AUJ was due in part because of the digital copy fiasco (and then the EE fiasco) where WB had massive glitches in getting it out on time?
Perhaps some people who were really legitimately going to purchase it but found they couldn't due to the itunes/EE/distribution problems downloaded it instead in either protest, or because they felt wronged by WB for failing to deliver?
Again, it's still illegal and theft no matter what the reasons for it, but I do have to wonder if these issues were a factor for the high numbers.
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TheRealBeren
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Jan 1 2014, 10:08am
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The product was made possible by the hard work of thousands of people whose surplus value was withhold by a few execs.
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TheRealBeren
Ossiriand
Jan 1 2014, 10:10am
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and thus unsuitable.
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TheRealBeren
Ossiriand
Jan 1 2014, 10:15am
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Is it also theft when a few people impose their legal viewpoint on the masses undemocratically, while a studio denies its employees the fruits of their labour?
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Jan 1 2014, 3:01pm
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There's no purpose in arguing a legal point when the law is getting mixed up with personal feelings about the law.
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