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Jax_Teller
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Dec 11 2013, 6:38pm
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I keep only seeing threads regrouping reviews on the net, but none with our reviews. Rather than opening a thread just for my sole review ^^ I'm opening this one so, hopefully, we can write our reviews in there.
So, I just got out from seeing it in HFR 3D. The HFR: looks pretty much the same as it did with AUJ, considering that A) I saw AUJ in IMAX 3D HFR, and DOS in classic Real D HFR.
The 3D: you can tell it's good 3D when you just forget about it and are just immersed in the world, that's what's going on here, just like AUJ, the 3D is perfectly implemented, it's not in your face, it serves the movie, there are a few 3D pop out moments, to remind you from time to time that this is in 3D ^^
Let's start with the bad stuff, to get this out of the way.:
- The Beorn part too short, just too short, as said, it probably suffered from the shift from 2 movies to 3 movies, but I honestly cannot imagine The Hobbit as 2 movies anymore, it might have been just as rushed.
We see him a couple of times in his bear form and he looks great, really great. Otherwise, we see him in his "human" form for the sequence at his house, for I'd say 3 minutes. It's really short and I just wish to god (although I have no doubt he'll be in there) that he has juicy material in the extended edition. Persbrandt looks GREAT, and is excellent in his short appearance.
- Certain parts are too long or I felt unnecessary and I'm one of those really open and okay with changes from the source material. The Smaug section drags a LITTLE bit, just a bit.
One scene btw Tauriel & Kili in the prison, cheesy, but it kind of contributes to their relationship, so I guess it's okay.
Tauriel and her Arwen moment with Kili, it's a callback, but it kind of screams like fan service, and I LOVE fan service, but I get why it's there, once again.
- A few CG dodgy shots here & there, nothing important, CG Gandalf in obvious pick up shots that is noticeable but not shocking, a few shots here & there. The molten gold on Smaug did make me go "Hold on, this looks weird", I remembered reading "pre-viz" on this one, and although it's not as bad as this, it does look funky, I can't quite put my finger on it, since I don't really know what molten gold looks like but it looks just weird. I think HFR contributes to this CG effect coming out as kind of iffy.
- Not sure about Tauriel - Kili relationship, I like a lot of the elements, and some stuff is cheesy in there, but I have this obvious feeling that this is going somewhere with TABA and will pay off in the end.
- Spider sequence maybe a tad short.
THE GOOD STUFF !
- Visually superb, goes without saying, Mirkwood, The Woodland Realm, Erebor, Laketown, etc, all fantastically realized.
- Great CG overall: Smaug looks really magnificent, the lip synch works very well, I was surprised how great it looked while speaking. Bolg looks good, so do the other orcs in action, Azog looks even better, but I suspect the darker color scheme has to do with it. The HFR helped sell all those characters, moreso than 24 fps I suspect. The spiders look great, the CG "miniatures" all look great as well.
- Barrel sequence: wow, the reviews are not lying, it's a fantastic piece, funny (Bombur ^^ ), superbly choreographed, Legolas is insane in that scene. It's really epic stuff, and to think that the scene in the book has no elves in it or anything. This is one shining example of how adding elements or expanding on the material can yield GREAT stuff.
- Smaug part: he is perfect, really great, there's a real feeling of dread and foreboding with those musical tones, and at the same time, Bilbo going around, trying to not make a sound, and the crescendo in the action. He is cunning, sly, arrogant, exactly as he should be. Can't really judge Cumberbatch unfortunately as it was dubbed.
One minor complaint: a bit too long.
- Dol Guldur: I thought that part really worked, although it strikes me as odd in a way that I can't quite put my finger on, probably because it's an addition.
I wish Thrain was there, but the conflict is cool, and Sauron vs Gandalf is surprising and well done.
- The two climaxes: I think the Dol Guldur climax might work slightly better, it's really cool and brings back this LOTR vibe of seeing the gigantic armies departing Dol Guldur in direction of the Lonely Mountain.
The Smaug climax would have worked even better if they just had the dwarves messing around with Smaug as they do, and then just Smaug taking off, instead of the dwarves pouring molten gold on him, it's kind of silly.
- Legolas and Tauriel; such a pleasure to see Legolas again, and his inclusion makes total sense, he couldn't be more badass, he has plenty of time to shine, has very cool conflicts with Tauriel, the dwarves, and Thranduil. His last scene is also excellent, and it reminds me that you see him chasing Bolg and that's the last you see of him.
Tauriel is one more example of a great addition, she doesn't feel forced, she belongs, it's also great to see the contrast obviously btw her and Thranduil but also Legolas, she's very impulsive, but also more emotional, and maybe more human in her behavior. Evangeline does a great job. I'm less sure about the relationship with Kili, but it felt it worked overall.
- Beorn, Thranduil: although both have short appearances, I want to see more of them.
- Laketown, the whole part is ONCE AGAIN a great example of expansion done RIGHT. Bard is a very well realized character and has something to do with the story, the Master of Laketown is a hoot, and I want to see more of him.
I also like the idea of leaving Fili, Kili, Bofur and Oin behind (don't remember those who were left behind in the book) with the idea of Kili [spoiler] dying [/spoiler].
Ok, I think I'm done :D Sorry for the super lenghty review, I probably forgot quite a few things, if you have any questions, fire my way !
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That's what Bilbo Baggins hates !
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Altaira
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Dec 11 2013, 6:49pm
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Nice, well-rounded review too. I'll never make it to Saturday!  
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unexpectedvisitor
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Dec 11 2013, 6:49pm
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i had to skim carefully because there are a few spoilers i'm trying to avoid but good to hear your take. sounded like it was a 8.5 out of 10 type experience for you?
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Jax_Teller
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Dec 11 2013, 6:53pm
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Right now, I'm at that point yeah, 8.5 seems about right, if you want a pt of ref, I have the LOTR movies as my top 3 movies of all time, Fellowship first, then ROTK, then TTT (all extended), I love AUJ as well, theatrical and extended.
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That's what Bilbo Baggins hates !
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Jax_Teller
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Dec 11 2013, 7:18pm
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I just realized that I practically didn't mention the performances: without any surprise, Martin is just the perfect Bilbo, he has moments of physical comedy that are just as hilarious as they were in AUJ. Armitage, McKellen, Evans, Lilly, Pace, Bloom, etc etc all excellent.
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Guert
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Dec 11 2013, 7:20pm
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Thanks man !
I can't wait for tomorrow. I'm most excited to see the Dol Guldur sequence, I hope it's not too short. Sad about not seeing the nine though, I still have hope for TABA.
Reading other reviews I'm worried about the lenghth of the Beorn's house, and also the molten gold and the healing sequence.
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macfalk
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Dec 11 2013, 7:23pm
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If there is one aspect about DOS where I don't have any complaints whatsoever, it's the new cast members. Evans, Lilly, Cumberbatch, Pace, Fry & co...even Persbrandt was great! Evans as Bard was my favourite.
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
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Jax_Teller
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Dec 11 2013, 7:30pm
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Thanks man !
I can't wait for tomorrow. I'm most excited to see the Dol Guldur sequence, I hope it's not too short. Sad about not seeing the nine though, I still have hope for TABA.
Reading other reviews I'm worried about the lenghth of the Beorn's house, and also the molten gold and the healing sequence.
I don't think the Dol Guldur part is too short, although it's probably sure that the DOS extended cut will have more of that, I want to see Thrain in there and he's been confirmed by Philippa to be in the extended cut.
For Beorn, it's fine really, but it's short, it being at the very beginning of the movie, and having to move forward as there's a lot going on in the movie, I think it was a necessary sacrifice for the theatrical cut.
The healing scene is cheesier than it is bad, I wondered if there wasn't a bit of self-mockery in there, it's inoffensive at best.
The molten gold part, I love Pete, but if I was him (and obviously, I'm not :D ) I definitely would have cut this whole scene, just have the dwarves running from Smaug after pissing him off, then Smaug being done with it and taking off for Laketown.
But then again, if the scene is in there, then it must factor in for TABA, he has this golden encrusted belly in the book, so it felt like they put this in there for this reason, but he actually flies away and does this twirl to remove it from his body, didn't notice if there's still some on him.
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Guert
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Dec 11 2013, 7:55pm
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The molten gold part, I love Pete, but if I was him (and obviously, I'm not :D ) I definitely would have cut this whole scene, just have the dwarves running from Smaug after pissing him off, then Smaug being done with it and taking off for Laketown.
I was listening the commentaries on AUJ extended edition... I can't seize Peter Jackson in some ways... For instance the stick insect, he said himself he founded that stupid and everyone told him to remove this scene, and you know, for me it's not shocking because it's not relevant at all to the story. The rabbits though, he seems to favor the idea and he is even proud of it... My problem with it is that it has an IMPACT on the story...
Like I'm fine with new stuff but where I'm a bit confused is when it deviates A LOT from the book and changes Tolkien's intentions... Like for the molten gold.
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Dec 11 2013, 8:05pm
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If everyone, Pete included, thought the stick insect bit was stupid, then why the heck is it still in the movie??!
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Jax_Teller
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Dec 11 2013, 8:07pm
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The molten gold part, I love Pete, but if I was him (and obviously, I'm not :D ) I definitely would have cut this whole scene, just have the dwarves running from Smaug after pissing him off, then Smaug being done with it and taking off for Laketown. I was listening the commentaries on AUJ extended edition... I can't seize Peter Jackson in some ways... For instance the stick insect, he said himself he founded that stupid and everyone told him to remove this scene, and you know, for me it's not shocking because it's not relevant at all to the story. The rabbits though, he seems to favor the idea and he is even proud of it... My problem with it is that it has an IMPACT on the story... Like I'm fine with new stuff but where I'm a bit confused is when it deviates A LOT from the book and changes Tolkien's intentions... Like for the molten gold.
It's his vision, and I think some of his excesses are not surprising when you see movies like Brain Dead, or The Frighteners, or King Kong at times.
He likes to have silly moments from time to time, I find it inoffensive really, it's here & there, it's like having Bombur doing his thing during the barrel ride sequence, I think it's awesome and super funny, but others will roll their eyes repeatedly.
I like that about him, he's still very much a kid at heart, it doesn't always work, but I like that.
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That's what Bilbo Baggins hates !
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Dec 11 2013, 8:25pm
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Having seen it twice now, I'll attempt a review too
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My first vieweing was in 2D and the second one in HFR 3D. I still personally prefer 2D because especially with a long movie like this I don't particularly like having to view it through the 3D glasses, but in terms of quality, I thought the 3D worked well. And I'm still the odd one out who sees no different between HFR and regular, so don't ask me about that.
I'll start off by saying that DoS feels a lot darker than AUJ, which is as it should be. If AUJ was filled with vibrant, green, summery colours, DoS's colours were primarily autumnal, grey, and muted. It was more like the world we see in LOTR, but that's more an observation than a judgement on either movie. I thought the bright colours suite AUJ just like the growing darkness suits DoS.
All in all I'd say there were more things I liked than things that I didn't like, but it did feel a little like a rollercoaster ride in terms of bouncing from great scenes to not so great scenes and back to something really good again.
What I liked:
- Beorn. He's a character that could have gone very wrong, but I think they got him right. Yes, his appearance was short, but I hope we'll see more of him in the EE, and evetually also in TABA.
- Bard. I've said this already in other threads, but I liked him very much. I like that, unlike in the book, we are actually getting a chance to know him and his history a bit better before he shoots down the dragon. And I think Luke Evans is excellent in the role.
- Gandalf (and Radagast for a while) at the High Fells and Dol Guldur. The showdown between him and Sauron was very cool to watch. I read there'd been some concernes that Gandalf would be captured by orcs, but that's not at all the case. Yes, Dol Guldur is swarming with orcs, but it's clear Gandalf would have been able to make his way out if it weren't for Sauron.
- Smaug and Bilbo. Their meeting was brilliantly done. Smaug is truly a remarkable creation and Martin was excellent in the scene.
- Bilbo and the Ring. I especially loved the scene in Mirkwood where he briefly loses the Ring and has to fight off some creature to get it. Again, excellent acting from Martin after he has killed the beast and picks up the Ring again. You can see several different emotions crossing his face as he contemplates the Ring.
- The very end. Smaug flying towards Laketown: "I am fire. I am death." Bard yelling: "Don't you understand what's coming?" and finally Bilbo: "What have we done." Black screen. (I can see how some might find the end frustrating, especially after the drawn out action sequence before it offering no pay off, but I love those last few shots.)
What I didn't like:
- Tauriel. Again, I've already mentioned this before, but her role is just unnecessarily big. If we had only seen her in Mirkwood, I would have been fine with her. Even the scene with Kili, though a bit cheesy, would have been fine if it was left at that: a moment of a dwarf and elf connecting, nothing more. But the moment she follows the dwarves after they've escaped it becomes the adventure of a Mary Sue Elf and a Harlequin romance between her and Kili. None if it necessary to the actual story and only serves to slow things down without offering any real emotional content.
- The last 30 minutes or so (I'm not sure how long it is exactly, but I'm calling it 30 minutes for lack of better knowledge), which consist of the dwarves fighting Smaug while Tauriel and Legolas fight orcs in Laketown, and also includes the scene where Tauriel heals Kili. To me, these are possibly the most pointless 30 minutes in any of the LoTR and Hobbit movies so far, which is quite unfortunate in an otherwise excellent movie. It doesn't ruin it, but I can't help thinking this movie could have benefitted from being at least 15 minutes shorter, with those 15 minutes taken out from the last 30 minutes.
Other than that, I didn't really have any major complaints about the movie. Like I said, there's definitely more good than bad.
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Guert
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Dec 11 2013, 8:35pm
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that it helped emphasize on the eccentric side of Radagast...
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Pazeer
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Dec 11 2013, 8:35pm
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Bree: Really good and interesting, gave more depth to the quest and more importance to the Arkenstone.
Beorn - Mirkwood: Both felt a bith rushed, though that does not mean I didn't absolutely love them! Beorn was great, both as bear and man, and Mirkwood was deliciously trippy!
Spiders: One of the best scenes in the entire film imo, great animation, great acting from Freeman and really creepy!
Elves: Thranduil was awesome, his scene with Thorin was pure gold.
I know a lot of people don't like Tauriel or Legolas, but I loved them. Legolas was really cool in this film, and I loved how different he was from LOTR.
Tauriel and Kili scene in the dungeons was really great, loved how he told her he would return safe to his mother... Great setup for the last movie.
Barrels: Awesome, hilarious and way better than I expected. Bombur stole the show, but I would also want to point out the moment when Kili got hit by the arrow, that was really good and sad.
Laketown: This is the part where I felt the movie slowed down (not in a bad way) and really took time to explain and have great character interactions. The set was outstanding, and Bard and his family were really great.
Smaug: Amazing. No more to say. Best dragon and CGI I have and will ever see.
Healing/Bolg vs Legolas: This part wasn't amazing, but I liked it still. The healing was well done, and seeing Legolas face down against Bolg was really cool.
Smaug vs Dwarves: Incredible action. I was hanging on the edge of my seat the entire time! One of the coolest action-scenes I've ever seen.
Final thoughts: Amazing movie, but I'm not going to rate it before I see it again tomorrow. Never rate a movie before you see it twice is my motto. I always enjoy them more the second time 
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Dec 11 2013, 8:42pm
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What about the Dol Guldur stuff?
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Did you like that as well?
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Pazeer
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Dec 11 2013, 8:49pm
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The Dol Guldur part was brilliant.
Gandalf and Radagast interaction was really good, and the entire sequence was really, really good.
Gandalf using his magic, interaction with the Necromancer and the reveal of the army they were building was really cool!
The scene between Gandalf and the Necromancer was perhaps a bit "Harry Potter" with their magic, but imo it fitted very well within the Middle-Earth film universe, so I liked it a lot!
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macfalk
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Dec 11 2013, 8:49pm
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May I chime in about Gandalf/Dol Guldur
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I must say I enjoyed everything about Gandalf and Radagast's sidestory from the High Fells to Dol Guldur - the only part of it I did not like was the Sauron reveal itself unfortunately, but hey, it's a just a scene, not that long. And it is followed later on by a really cool shot of Gandalf hanging in a cage looking down at the orc host leaving Dol Guldur.
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Hello everyone.
This is my first post here but I have been reading for quite a while.
I just saw the Desolation of Smaug last night at the midnight premiere. And here are some of my thoughts. (Contains spoilers).
Prologue. Movie opening scene with Gandalf and Thorin in rainy Bree is great. By the way, Peter Jackson’s cameo is in very first seconds of the film so you can’t really miss that.
There is not much Beorn in this movie and all his scenes feel little rushed. I have a feeling we will get more Beorn in the extended edition, perhaps he will have a scene with Gandalf in the night as seen in the original scroll? The design of Beorn is in my opinion one of the worst in any of these movies. Bear form does not look very much like a bear to me and the human form looks kind of strange. Overall I am little disappointed by this section.
Mirkwood sequence also felt little rushed but I hope EE will fix this too with more material. (Bombur and the Enchanted River). Bilbo above the trees is a nice touch. Spiders are creepy and Bilbo can only hear them talk when he is wearing the Ring. Bilbo saves the dwarves and names the Sting and he has nice little scene of realization when he picks up the Ring he had dropped earlier.
Woodland Realm and Thranduil are great. In one scene Thranduil says something that he has seen dragons before and big scar appears on his cheek. At that moment I had a feeling that there was going to be a flashback scene. (I don’t know why I had this feeling, was there some rumors some time ago that we will see some flashback scene in Thranduil’s halls, I don’t really remember?) The elven guards are drunk, which is good because I though this may not happen, because of the Legolas / Gimli drinking scene in LOTR.
Laketown sequence was kind of nice, except the unnecessary fighting scene. First they introduced Laketown as a very well-guarded place but somehow the orcs managed to sneak in and fight with the dwarves, Legolas and Tauriel without nobody seeing them. Laketown is definitely one of my favorite designs in this movie.
After getting inside the Lonely Mountain, Thorin sends Bilbo to look for the Arkenstone. Smaug is magnificent. The way he speaks does not look stupid at all like some people feared (not many). Bilbo spotted the weak spot in Smaug’s armor. We get some of Bilbo’s barrel rider speech (more Tolkien dialogue the better). The conversation between Bilbo and Smaug is amazing. Thorin stops Bilbo and ask him does he have the Arkenstone, but Bilbo doesn’t give it to Thorin. Then Smaug comes and rest is just one huge battle with crazy stunts and other stuff. Then Smaug heads to Laketown and the movie ends with a cliffhanger first time in PJ’s Middle-Earth films. The ending scene with Smaug in rage is excellent.
There is no Thrain in this film. Now I am really confused when Gandalf is going to meet him. Either it will be on the same sequence on the extended edition. But I still hope they have edited it so that Gandalf gets the key and map from Thrain in flashback in Dol Guldur like it really happened.
High Fells scene is just quick scene where Gandalf realizes Necromancer must be Sauron. Then he goes to Dol Guldur and faces Sauron. We get to see Gandalf use some spells until he’s staff is broken and he is captured by Sauron. I liked how you can see Sauron but he is still just kind of unbodied spirit. I don’t really like Gandalf being captured though. He will probably be saved by the White Council and Galadriel as has been speculated here. Bird poop Radagast only makes a brief appearance.
I don’t mind Tauriel as a character, but her romance with Kili is by far the worst part of the movie. First they are flirting in the dungeons and then Tauriel even goes after him to Laketown to save his life. The healing scene is very awkward and corny with Kili’s ‘’it’s just a dream’’ line and Tauriel shining like Arwen in the FOTR. It also looks like Legolas has a crush on Tauriel which makes it a love triangle.
I have no complaints about the quality of the CGI. Especially Smaug is top notch. Only the Elves running in trees after the barrels and huge melting gold statue look little bad. I do however miss the more realistic and less cartoony version of Middle-Earth we saw in LOTR. I know they have built many great sets for these movies too, but they have also used much more computer backgrounds and CGI characters which makes these movie look little less real world. However the color grading definitely helped to make this movie a little more like the LOTR trilogy.
However I do really like the 48 fps and 3D. Films are definitely made for the big screen.
Martin Freeman, Sir Ian McKellen, Richard Armitage are all great. Lee Pace is as good as expected. Evangeline Lilly’s performance is not bad, but as I said I don’t really like her thing with Kili and her role overall is way too big.
One of my main complaints about this film is that it has WAY too much action scenes. Dwarves fighting spiders, elves fighting spiders, barrel ride rollercoaster with super Bombur, orcs in laketown, Legolas vs Bolg, Gandalf in Dol Guldur, and Smaug vs the dwarves in Erebor.
Especially the final battle between Smaug and dwarves is way too long. In my opinion these kind of stunt fights don’t fit well into this universe. But I understand that this is what the general audience wants to see so it is what it is. I would just prefer more time in Beorn’s house or Mirkwood than these super long fighting sequences.
I do wish we had got more of the actual Hobbit. I don’t have any problems with added scenes like more story to Bard or bringing the Dol Guldur story line in, but when they change some major things we know didn’t really happen (like Azog) it sometimes takes me out of the film universe.
At the end I did enjoy many parts of the film and I have a feeling we might get more material in the extended edition this time around. Soon you will all get to see the movie so hopefully you will enjoy it.
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Jax_Teller
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Dec 11 2013, 8:53pm
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The Dol Guldur part was brilliant.
Gandalf and Radagast interaction was really good, and the entire sequence was really, really good.
Gandalf using his magic, interaction with the Necromancer and the reveal of the army they were building was really cool!
The scene between Gandalf and the Necromancer was perhaps a bit "Harry Potter" with their magic, but imo it fitted very well within the Middle-Earth film universe, so I liked it a lot!
Yeah about the Harry Potter feel of the fight at Dol Guldur.
About the Kili-Tauriel relationship being pointless, I'd say, let's wait for TABA, because I have a feeling that it's going to become very relevant by then.
For Mirkwood part, yeah, a bit rushed, you can tell that Beorn and this suffered from being at the beginning of the movie, Boyens (I think) said Bombur in the river is in the extended cut.
Blunt the knives, bend them forks, smash the bottles and burn the corks.
That's what Bilbo Baggins hates !
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Pazeer
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Dec 11 2013, 8:56pm
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I don't think Tauriel-Kili was something they created just for this movie.
I'm pretty sure in the last movie this will play out great to create more emotional depth.
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macfalk
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Dec 11 2013, 9:00pm
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Can you remember if we saw Bilbo pick up the arkenstone or did he leave it on the treasure pile?
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
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Dec 11 2013, 9:02pm
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Was the one thing I was looking most forward to in this movie, and I'm so glad they actually had most of in it!
The: My armor is iron etc.
That entire scene was probably my favorite, almost felt like I was going to cry it was so perfect! 
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Dec 11 2013, 9:04pm
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We didn't see if he did or not
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But I think it's pretty certain that he did...
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dubulous
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Dec 11 2013, 9:08pm
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Something that is pointless and annoying to begin with seems more likely to go on to become majorly distracting and increasingly annoying rather than something emotionally fulfilling. The thought of having to endure more of them in TABA just makes me cringe.
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Jax_Teller
Ossiriand
Dec 11 2013, 9:28pm
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To each his own, it's an obvious narrative device there, but I see what they're doing. About the Arkenstone, we don't see him take it although he could have in the short lapse of time where he becomes invisible right before nearly getting eaten.
Blunt the knives, bend them forks, smash the bottles and burn the corks.
That's what Bilbo Baggins hates !
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