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TheBeerBaron
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Dec 11 2013, 2:51am
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Omg omg omg!!!!!!
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Just saw it! It was amazing! Loved it. Easily on par with lotr. Deviates quite a bit from the book, but in no way did that bother. Even Tauriel was good, as was the love triangle.
Ask anything you like.
I get the impression that pj will want to adjust quite a few minor things in lotr after this though.
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marcuspaine
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Dec 11 2013, 2:53am
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How do Beorn's scenes play out?
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Does he talk about the Beornings?
Does Smaug get his monologue from the book? :) "my tail is a hurricane", etc?
(This post was edited by marcuspaine on Dec 11 2013, 2:56am)
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ElendilTheShort
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Dec 11 2013, 2:55am
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glad to see you are so stoked about thsi movie, It's showing in just over 8 hours from now where I am being Wed/Thurs midnight screenings but I am still a few days away from being able to see it due to family/work commitments, I think the days will drag for me.
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Azaghâl
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Dec 11 2013, 2:57am
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Beorn is brief but very cool and has alot of potential. EE maybe.
ALL of smaugs monolouge and dialouge is in. Nothing has been left out!
*Baruk khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!*
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Joe20
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Dec 11 2013, 2:59am
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I haven't even seen it yet and I have a huge smile on my face right now.
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It's so great to hear that the real fans are liking it!
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TheBeerBaron
Ossiriand
Dec 11 2013, 3:13am
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Was really cool and we see him skin-change back to a man.
His accent sounded a lot like a Swede speaking English. He was really intense and you didn't really know what he was going to say next.
Strangely, I can't remember Gandalf saying anything to him at all. Only Bilbo and Thorin.
There were some major changes towards the end, but imo they were improvements *flameshield up*. Some great character moments, esp from Kili/Fili. The only part of the romance that bothered me was when Kili says "it was a dream" which reminded me of when Aragorn says the same thing to Arwen.
Otherwise there weren't any jarring references like "in here you fools" or darkening of the room and saying "if I say Mr Baggins is a burgerler, then a..."
Sauron was cool, as was Gandalfs fight against him.
I can't wait for part 3 now. I need to rematch DOS again and again.
The Master was great, as was Alfrid O'Monobrow (seriously what's up with that?).
The barrels were shockingly good, and the spiders were really scary.
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TheBeerBaron
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Dec 11 2013, 3:18am
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He mentions the beornings and what happened to them and their abilities *spoilers*
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Smaugs monologue was in, but Bilbo only has one encounter with him. It was so good. Genuinely scary. Claustrophobic and trapped as well as Bilbo couldn't get away or move without upsetting the gold.
Also, smaug senses the ring (shocking) and indicates that he knows that Sauron is rising again and that darkness is coming. So perhaps we will see some envoy (please please The Mouth!!!) in a TABA flashback.
Bard was great, as we're his kids.
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CathrineB
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Dec 11 2013, 3:18am
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I think the movie is stunning too! Left me in true awe really. I have grown so attached to so many characters it's nuts. Smaug was... I mean I had my hands clenched in anticipation of him and man they didn't disappoint.
Stunning movie. Downright stunning. Even liked Tauriel, Kili and her was rather endearing. Heartbreaking what he says about his Mother in the cells...
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StoneHex104
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Dec 11 2013, 3:19am
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How was Bilbo's conversation with Smaug? Spoiler me away please
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TheBeerBaron
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Dec 11 2013, 3:33am
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He figures out that he better start the flattery when he takes off the ring after a flash of the Eye. Strange. Then he's talking to Smaug to try to buy some time as his mission is to find the Arkenstone. It's so intense. Smaug is really cunning and latches on to the "barrel rider" thing.
It seems that they have changed the plot so that the initial plan is to get the Arkenstone as the other houses of Dwarfs are sworn to come to the King who holds its' aid and oust the dragon. So, Thorin's plan is to get it and become King so that he can summon the other Dwarfs to rock up with a massive army and kill the dragon.
It isn't clear whether Bilbo gets his hands on the Arkenstone or not, but I think he does, but then doesn't tell Thorin when confronted. This isn't explained.
From the trailers etc it seems like Thorin is getting sick and turning into an arsehole in this film, but in fact due to music, timing, and final takes, he doesn't come across in that way at all, but instead as genuine and caring (apart from the confrontation). Hearts are going to break in TABA though. They really are (for the audience).
The scene where they start tripping in Mirkwood is fantastic and funny as well as scary. My only complaint is that it should have been darker, as unless sunlight through the branches and perhaps at least one overnighting as it feels like they're only there for one day.
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thomasofrohan
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Dec 11 2013, 3:36am
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How many scenes does the Master have?
Can you describe what happens in the Dale/Girion flashback?
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TheBeerBaron
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Dec 11 2013, 3:42am
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I thought that the pacing was great for the general non-geek audience
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But I'm looking forwards to more details etc in the EE. I could see them adding up to half an hour of stuff for us fans in there.
It just felt so good, unlike AUJ which felt forced at times.
Also, the picture quality was hugely improved and the hfr was really really good. Much better than in AUJ. Only a very few brief shots felt a bit soap-operaish.
Out of 10, I'd easily give it 8,5. Probably 9,5 after another viewing. Better than TT which I loved, but was my least fav. It felt slightly different to lotr, but still very much the same world, and none of the goofy crap from AUJ. It's definitely grown up. So much so that it could be a different world to AUJ almost. So much darker and threatening. It really felt like any of the dwarves could kick the bucket at any moment.
None of the Legolas Superhero moments bothered me as they weren't too extreme. Mind you they didn't bother me in lotr either. The Master had some great lines, and Bard did come across as a bit of a pessimistic partypooper, but a great character and well-acted.
Right now I just want to see it again!!!
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CathrineB
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Dec 11 2013, 3:43am
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I was clenching my fists in anticipation for Smaug!
The Master has like four scenes I think? Girion is seen trying to shoot Smaug down and fails.
Bard is amazing!
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TheBeerBaron
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Dec 11 2013, 3:48am
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He has three or four I'd say. Alfrid has more screen time. They don't have the Grima/Theoden relationship, nor the Grima/Saruman. Alfrid clearly has it in for Bard though, not clear why. It seems that Alfrid fears Bard causing a popular uprising and ousting the Master from power.
We don't get much of a flashback. But Bard does describe how Girion cleared a spot of scales on the dragon with his first black arrow and that if he could have got off a second then he would have taken him down. Thorin dismisses this and says that men are crap shots and that it's all Girion's fault for not killing Smaug. It seems that the rest of the town feels the same way.
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CathrineB
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Dec 11 2013, 3:49am
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I don't remember at the moment though I have read the book. Alfrid isn't in the book right? XD Just wondered.
Anyway it's good to see someone else flailing over the movie too. It's been far too many negative nillies here lately  So your post made me happy. I'm going to butt out now
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Simon
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Dec 11 2013, 3:53am
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From your perspective...do you think the CGI (in a term of quality) work well for the majority of the film? I mean the movie look beautiful right? A little improvement from AuJ? I love CG... lol
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TheBeerBaron
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Dec 11 2013, 3:58am
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Yes, I thought it looked much better. Nothing wrong that I noticed unlike the bunny-sleigh chase in AUJ which didn't look finished.
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Simon
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Dec 11 2013, 4:00am
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TheBeerBaron
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Dec 11 2013, 4:02am
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Got to try to get some sleep now.
Good night torn friends!
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MyPrecioussss
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Dec 11 2013, 5:25am
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Bard was great, as we're his kids.
Bard is one of the things I'm most looking forward to, so I'm glad to hear this. One minor question, though: how was the kids' acting? Whenever I see a Luke Evans interview where he mentions the girls had never acted before, I can't help but cringe a little since child actors generally tend to be, well, terrible. That plus the fact that they were faking a Welsh accent on top of having zero acting experience, and it kind of sounds like they were thrown into the deep end head-first and told not to drown. I'm just hoping the end result isn't too painfully awkward.
Again, not a huge concern or anything since I doubt the girls get much screentime anyway, but just a mild curiosity.
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Flyyoufools
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Dec 11 2013, 7:16am
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Just brilliant!!!
Thranduil's acting is really cool!!!!
I also really liked Evangeline Lily. Nice added storyline.
Was really sucked in this movie. Just brilliant. The spiders, the butterflies, beorn, thranduil, barrels, laketown..... And smaug. That great voice.... So fitting.
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Glóin the Dark
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Dec 11 2013, 8:53am
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Congratulations! I have a few questions...
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When and how exactly does Gandalf come to leave the company?
What brings Bilbo's conversation with Smaug to an end?
The film ends with Smaug leaving the mountain and flying away. We know that he's heading to Laketown to destroy it. How does the film make this clear?
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Pazeer
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Dec 11 2013, 8:56am
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Smaug was perfect, the spiders were terrifying, the elves were excellent and the barrel-ride was pure fun!
Really, really good movie!
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Dec 11 2013, 9:06am
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Have read with glee all of the above... THANKS for all the spoilers!!! //
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'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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Flyyoufools
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Dec 11 2013, 9:54am
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Leaves the company when they enter mirkwood (to the high fells)... After that he goes to Dol Guldur where he has to choose to go back to the company or to confront the necromancer.
There happens A LOT with Bilbo and Smaug (and the company).
If I remember correctly Smaug said something like "oh, you are man from laketown, I will pay them a visit"
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