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TheOneTony
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Dec 8 2013, 4:13am
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Peter Jackson explains how he presented Smaug's villainous mentality to the audience
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That being said...did some of us even imagine how big Smaug was when we were reading the books much less other things?
Jackson talks here about how he wanted to kind of focus on how he presents Smaug in a way that fed off what the audience may have read about in Tolkein's book.
http://www.examiner.com/...ainy-the-hobbit-film
Tony - Geek Culture Examiner
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Aitieuriskon
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Dec 8 2013, 4:18am
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Smaug's fall had the power to literally break Laketown. He's always been gargantuan in my mind. When I first saw Tolkien's own illustration of the wyrm, I was actually taken aback at how small he is.
"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951
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Smaug Report
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Dec 8 2013, 4:38am
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For posting, what a great article!
I have been pleasantly surprised at how big PJ made Smaug. I always seem to enjoyWTF?
I would have LOVED to see Sauron at the Black Gate and I can't believe he pussed out on that one for fear of fan backlash. I was afraid he was going to wimp out on Smaug, but it looks like he made an inspired decision!
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MouthofSauron
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Dec 8 2013, 5:13am
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i don't think it would have been best for sauron to show up at the end of ROTK
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because the entire trilogy is about destroying the ring so he can't take Physical form....so he shows up at the black gate looking the same as he did right before he lost the ring??
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!
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Smaug Report
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Dec 8 2013, 5:17am
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I personally think it could have been amazing if done a certain way. I shamelessly love Sauron as a character, and drool at any and all representations of him delivered onscreen, as long as done well.
EDIT: Also, if I may, it is about more than just him taking physical form. Sauron is a different entity with the ring than he is without it. He doesn't cease to be a threat without the ring, he just becomes near invincible with it.
Also, per another post on here, Sauron has nothing left to lose at this point, and is depending on the Nazgul to save his hide by fetching the ring. Perhaps, he looses his cool and strides into battle to stop the new King of Gondor and turn the tide, thereby making the return of his precious ring that much more possible. All plausible me thinks...
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MouthofSauron
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Dec 8 2013, 5:44am
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its clearly stated he cannot take physical form....i mean the dark shadow in AUJ and DOS is fine with me because he's more like a wraith but to actually have the "cathedral of armor" and stride out first when the black gate opens...i don't know..seems to me that would be throwing the whole purpose of destroying the ring out the window.
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!
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Dec 8 2013, 5:47am
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When I read about how he first attacked Erebor, that the wind of his wings was like a hurricane, and how he perched on top of the mountain (in my mind, the same way a cock perches on a dung hill), I always expected him to be more massive than artists ever portrayed him.
“So comes snow after fire, and even dragons have their endings.”
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 8 2013, 6:49am
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I never would have imagined him this huuuge,
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but i think i'm glad that he is. Will reserve final judgement for when i see the film, to see how it actually works on screen. But so far, so great.
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 8 2013, 8:09am
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Exactly. As did Tolkien. He stated that the scale was all wrong, Smaug all excessively small
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and Bilbo too large. I have always seen Smaug as MASSIVE, just small enough for an arrow of three feet or more in length that managed to pierce his soft, worm tender vulnerabile patch to do the sort of damage to his heart that a splinter of metal could do to the heart of a man if it struck exactly the right arteries. Smaug's fall had the power to literally break Laketown. He's always been gargantuan in my mind. When I first saw Tolkien's own illustration of the wyrm, I was actually taken aback at how small he is.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 8 2013, 8:15am
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That was a movie error. He has a physical form in the novels.
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its clearly stated he cannot take physical form....i mean the dark shadow in AUJ and DOS is fine with me because he's more like a wraith but to actually have the "cathedral of armor" and stride out first when the black gate opens...i don't know..seems to me that would be throwing the whole purpose of destroying the ring out the window.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 8 2013, 8:17am
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Exactly. You cannot tear up trees with the winds of and from your beating wings, and quake
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an entire mountain if you are only the size of a tyrannosaurous. They are large, but not mountain shaking, town splintering large. And, of course, the winged fell beasts ain't exactly feather weights, and if the glorious and fabulous Smaug the Magnificent wasn't any larger and noticably so than they, then he shouldn't have been given a title of his own. When I read about how he first attacked Erebor, that the wind of his wings was like a hurricane, and how he perched on top of the mountain (in my mind, the same way a cock perches on a dung hill), I always expected him to be more massive than artists ever portrayed him.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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MouthofSauron
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Dec 9 2013, 7:29am
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you are referring to the eye of sauron correct?
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take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 9 2013, 7:51am
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Right. In the book, he has a body. Gollum speaks about his hand, and
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Gollum wasn't some loremaster who would have known how of how Sauron lost the Ring etc. "Only four fingers on the black hand, but that is enough."
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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