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Dcole4
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Dec 6 2013, 4:55pm
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There is a lot in the movie to enjoy. I had a huge grin on my face for much of the first half of the movie. The second half has a lot of troubles but there are still moments to really enjoy.
I just can't wait for one devoted and talented fan to cobble together a fan cut of films 2 and 3.
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Dcole4
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Dec 6 2013, 5:01pm
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-I can't particularly name a favorite scene but I loved everything in Laketown, the seedy culture was captured brilliantly. It's a wonderful atmosphere that is utterly absent when Legolas arrives (likely due to hastily extended what was originally meant to be a short skirmish into a full on macho battle between him and Bolg -- evidenced by shots in the recent blogs)
-Kili/Tauriel, I describe elsewhere
-Bilbo features in a few key moments, unfortunately he and dwarves do get sidelined at moments.
-There are beautiful moments. I actually loved Kili and Tauriel's first interaction and wish similar attention was paid to the other characters. I would have much rather had 10 minutes more of character moments than 10 minutes of dwarves running around, sliding on chairs, jumping through melting gold and falling 100 ft. without being injured. The end battle between them and Smaug is almost entirely digital save for the close-ups. Very little of the environment they fight him in or the props they interact with in this scene are real and it shows.
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Shagrat
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Dec 6 2013, 5:02pm
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Obviously I can't judge yet, but the way you describe suggests Tauriel might merely be humouring him - after all, it wouldn't be wise to break a guy's heart when he's near death!
Sorry to go on, but what kind of smile are we talking? Beaming, reassuring, slightly happy? How much can we read into it? I'm trying to brace myself for the scene, and convince myself that it might still be a one-sided infatuation!
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kdawg
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Dec 6 2013, 5:03pm
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Is Smaug a red/red-ish dragon? Or is he kind of a golden-brown-ish color (like the plane reveal pics from a few days ago)?? Thanks!
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Dcole4
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Dec 6 2013, 5:35pm
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He's a redish brown. Very beautiful color.
BUUUT.... SUPER MAJOR SPOILER, AVOID!!!!
Despite my gripes with the Dwarves vs. Smaug scene it does have quite a spectacular finish where (I won't spoil how), they make Smaug into a golden dragon. It's one of the most beautiful images of the film.
It's quite a beautiful moment. I wish the 10 minute build up to it was filled with less OTT action (poor Bilbo survives a fifty foot fall! and Thorin, as I've said, rides a wheel barrel down a river of molten gold ad swings on chains)
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(This post was edited by Dcole4 on Dec 6 2013, 5:38pm)
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Dcole4
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Dec 6 2013, 5:38pm
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She has a few moments earlier where she goes out of her way to save him. It's the main reason she goes to Laketown, the orc tells her that he's been poisoned by Morgul poison and will die.
Honestly their dialogue is quite lovely. I had no issues with it. I doubt they'll have it develop into anything too, too major. My main gripes were the healing scene, and the ridiculous fight scene in Laketown. (especially Legolas's Rambo style duel with Bolg that apparently wakes none of the spies or eavesdroppers or soldiers of Laketown! Must be heavy sleepers.)
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Olorin2607
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Dec 6 2013, 5:44pm
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When he flies off to Laketown? Like that being his "armor" then!? Was the CG of him flying good?
What is the last dialogue of the film?
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Dcole4
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Dec 6 2013, 5:55pm
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MAJOR SPOILERS (of one of the best images of the movie, avoid!!!)
It is an incredible image, seeing him completely covered in gold. It's a shame that he shakes it all off in his flight to Laketown. He is utterly convincing. His effects are stunning. Benedict in the Q & A said it best, it looks like an animatronic. It's so realistic. It puzzles me that they weren't able to apply the same attention to Bolg and the other orcs.
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1415dr
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Dec 6 2013, 6:52pm
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would you say that Smaug's front legs look strong? I know people are sick to death of the 2-4 leg questions, but the only reason I was concerned was I was afraid if his front legs were wings they would look thin and weak. Like the dragon in Harry Potter 7. That dragon's head and body looked perfect, but it tottered around in a twitchy way on it's wings. I was afraid Smaug would look like that. But from what I can piece together the wing part extends from two long fingers reaching back, and his arms could be completely as impressive and sturdy as his back legs.
I'm just curious what your impressions were. No big deal.
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Snowghost77
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Dec 6 2013, 10:50pm
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You have to understand that money as well as time constraints apply to movies just lile everything else. Im sure that if the budget was unlimited, and there was no deadline, everything would look perfect. Im sure they had to do some prioritizing at times....I cannot imagine the logistics and many moving parts that entail a movie. I mean what would you rather they made sure was perfect, bolg or smaug? I for one am glad they prioritized smaug.
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Faleel
Nargothrond
Dec 7 2013, 1:30am
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Do you mean Wheelbarrow?
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Faleel
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Dec 7 2013, 1:40am
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How do you know that was an Arwen specific theme? perhaps its an elvish healing motif, much like the music (An Elvish Pledge) for the Doors of Durin/Haldir's "speech" about allegiance.
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Dcole4
Nargothrond
Dec 7 2013, 1:44am
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There are themes that account for different things than we assume (Nazgul and Gondor Restored themes).
My gripe with that moment in DOS isn't with so much the music as is with the decision to rehash a moment from the FOTR for the sake of rehashing. It's an unnecessary callback (or call-forward) that feels like a tacky use of LOTR iconography.
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Faleel
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Dec 7 2013, 1:51am
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I compare it more to the music when Gandalf looks at the map in FOTR, or the fireworks music.
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Dcole4
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Dec 7 2013, 1:51am
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I understand this sentiment completely.
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It just seems like lazy filmmaking when they decide to CGI everything in certain scenes that really don't need it. Case in point....
There is an extended moment with Azog and the orcs (Bolg's entrance) watching Beorn's house and discussing the next course of action. It's not a bad scene but the entire shot, the grass, the trees, the fog, the sky, the orcs are entirely CGI. It shows.
The technology developed for TinTin that PJ is using here requires him to build entirely CGI environments in the computer that he can wiz his camera through. It's a nice tool but its use comes into question when he starts using it for locations that would look far more convincing (and far less expensive!) if they were shot on location (or any location! Trees aren't hard to come by). What you end up with is entirely CGI scenes with CGI characters, CGI environments, CGI skies intercut with live-action scenes.
This is a crude example but it has the effect of splicing in scenes of TinTin into a live-action film.
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 7 2013, 10:44am
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(i don't remember the subject ever coming up), but i pretty much hated Tin Tin. All the camera swooping around, always too close to the action so that you couldn't properly see anything, and the bizarre looking characters (and yes, i read the comic as a kid)-- it was just waaay too much. There were zero memorable images from that movie. I really thought it was dreadful.
I've said it before-- just because you can do anything, doesn't mean you should do everything. Same applies to The Hobbit movies.
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bilbothin
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Dec 7 2013, 3:39pm
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A little question about Bilbo.....
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Can I ask a stupid question? I know it was never said anything about it or mentioned but: Does Bilbo have some love interest in the film or something like that? Any relationship / connection? I don't know why I ask this, or why I want to know so badly, it is just somehow in my head since a few days....
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ByThorinsBeard
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Dec 7 2013, 11:02pm
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respectfully regarding too much CGI
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respectfully,
practical still comes across far more realistically in many instances. I have a lot more fun spotting practical flubs and mistakes while still being inside the world of a particular film especially from the last 45 years or so.
I do not hate all CGI, but when you can obviously notice it and/or a practical effect would have worked better, that's when I think it's unnecessary. For humanoid characters, I still prefer practical.
Surprisingly, I am not miffed by any of these changes. I suppose I've come around to accept that these are a specific interpretation of these books and no adaptation will ever be just like the book.
I am just surprised that it sounds like Weta rushed many CGI elements again. If this is the case, that's too bad. Or it could be an unfortunate side effect of the 48fps process - who knows? It just bums me out to hear this is still an issue after AUJ.
"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you anywhere." - Albert Einstein.
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Thank you –nice one, acigos00
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