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mikeybobaggins
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Dec 6 2013, 1:14pm
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The CGI Nightmare Of Middle Earth Continues
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I'm heart broken. All the history and the antiquity we were blessed with in in The Lord Of The Rings has vanished and we are now viewing middle earth from inside a cartoon world.
The use of CGI is completely over done and almost forced. I can only imagine how bad it will be in TABA within the battle of 5. :( I'm heart broken! They put sooooo much time into such detail in these movies. Such hard work, and it seems pointless with all the animation and CGI that makes so much looks fake. The film is very 'NOT believable" where as LOTR was viewed to me as something that almost happened. I'm just so sad about it. Where CGI was needed, things looked great, but all the use of it in the sky's, the landscape, the orcs, the elves, the wizard, the circus stunts within the fighting. Just disgusts me.
A big miss for the middle earth base. ......tho I'm still grateful for the movies, nonetheless. These two trilogies will bare no character or atmosphere similarities at all. Two totally different feels! I'm not even identifying with any of the characters at all, just maybe bilbo, the heart of the story even seems lost in all the cartoon.
STAR WARS ALERT!!!!! ...are ancient world of middle earth has been lost!
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Dec 6 2013, 1:20pm
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So, have you seen the movie already ?//
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Elessar
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Dec 6 2013, 1:22pm
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I thought the CGI in AUJ was really well done and created a sense of realism. From what I've seen in the trailers and such for DOS things look good. I felt I was in the same Middle-earth when I watched AUJ and hope to feel the same when I see DOS next week.
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mikeybobaggins
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Dec 6 2013, 1:23pm
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ya! i enjoyed the movie from a standpoint of a pop culture person who never really has seen LOTR or even liked LOTR. The story is good, the bridge of the movie is good when you see Smaug heading towards the city. Thorin's turn or madness is good. The acting was GREAT!
It's just the art direction and photography that bombed!
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Bree
Dec 6 2013, 1:24pm
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But it is possible because you know it's CGI. My brother for example does not know how these are made and so he doesn't complain about the CGI. It makes it look more real for him. I think you're a bit too negative.
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mikeybobaggins
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Dec 6 2013, 1:28pm
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i watched the LOTR last night because my brain was in denial of what I've seen, and i when it turned it on I started laughing at all the difference in the feel of the two stories. Not even the same worlds it seems.
Don't get me wrong on the negative notions. The movie IS AWESOME!!!!!! The CGI was horrific. Whoever decided to CGI the orcs needs to be fired!
SMAUG is like WOWNESS!!!! WOW WOW WOWNESS!!! So amazing. Great use of CGI. But using cgi for uneeded circus stunts, orcs, etc... Just killed the realness. When Smaug pulls himself up out of the gold, that will just amaze you all.
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haarp
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Dec 6 2013, 1:33pm
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It's quite annoying how PJ decided to go full cgi, all because of his "3d cinema is the new cinema" nonsense. LOTR had a seriousness about them, like you say, as if it actually happened.
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AncalagontheBlack
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Dec 6 2013, 1:43pm
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I've never understood the criticism of the use CGI in the prequel Star Wars movies. I am old enough to remember seeing the originals in the theaters and it did wow at that time. When I watch them again I still love them, but not for the "realism" because my eyes after 30 years of advancement in visual effects can see that they do indeed look dated in the non character moments.
The problem for me with the prequel moments was the acting. Hayden Christensen was a terrible choice and his acting was forced. Natalie Portman was very wooden and although she is nice to look at, she rarely brings any passion to her romantic roles. Ewan McGregor got a little better as the movies went along but there was never any Harrison Ford, Mark Hamil, Carrie Fisher chemistry and a little may have been the script but I think a lot was in the casting. The script probably would have evolved with more dynamic acting.
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Wordofmask
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Dec 6 2013, 1:46pm
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Ok after the other thread complaing CGI like you
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Now I really want to know so bad how can DoS's cg be hellish and looks stupidity. From my opinion I 'm dissappointed AUJ but it has nothing to do with cg for sure.
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Jax_Teller
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Dec 6 2013, 1:51pm
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Is this guy a multi? I thought it was Dcole4 at first, who made pretty much the same comments.
Times evolve, Peter explained the use for CG for certain things many times in the appendices from AUJ extended edition.
Hell, we don't even know if the guy really saw the movie, or he's not using somebody's comments and pretending to make a review.
About the CG, AUJ looks extremely good in the most part, the bad CG is chunks of the Radagast chase sequence, and maybe a couple of shots here and there, I know some people cited the Goblin King, but technically, he looks top notch, if there's a problem, it's with the design.
I also saw the goblins that everyone talked about "they should have been practical !", we see them in the appendices, there's an entire section on them, and it just doesn't cut it.
There were animatronics masks, it was all very done, the skin suits as well, they still used some for the wide shots, and then brought some CG ones in. But honestly, the CG goblins look better and as said Pete, you're not restricted by human proportions, and I have no doubt that if CG was that perfected back in LOTR day, he'd have CGed quite a few orcs as well.
WETA are at the top of their game in their domain. Azog, which only had 3 months put into him, looks phenomenal, especially in HFR, but since his skin is very smooth, it gets complaints, give him darker skin, more bruises, cuts, that kind of stuff, and it's a different story.
This will probably be once again one of those things when once in theater, I'll be thinking "what the hell was that guy talking about? The CG is perfectly fine."
Blunt the knives, bend them forks, smash the bottles and burn the corks.
That's what Bilbo Baggins hates !
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BornOutOfTheWest
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Dec 6 2013, 1:56pm
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Although I am/have been disappointment with PJ's approach to CGI this trilogy, I do understand why he's taken the decisions he has. With the 3D and HFR it complicates the business with miniatures and brings out the "fakeness" of an prosthetic orcs. I just wished he'd allowed more time for the CGI to be produced - a bit more refinement here and there in AUJ would have gone a long way, *ahem* warg chase *cough*. From what we've heard of DOS, it seems that were getting another CGI fest with this movie - not a problem if done well, which from the early reaction, its seems to have been!
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Pazeer
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Dec 6 2013, 2:00pm
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I wouldnīt call myself an expert within CGI, but with all the movies I have seen that has used CGI, The Hobbit is literally at the top of itīs game.
I find the Goblin King, the goblins, the eagles, the wargs and Azog to be stunning! I find the advantage of CGI, whereas you can get better facial expressions and more "unnatural" movements to outweigh the slight lack of realism in comparison to prosthetics.
But thatīs just my opinion, and considering I loved the CGI in AuJ, Iīm hoping Iīll love everything in DoS aswell
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Jax_Teller
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Dec 6 2013, 2:03pm
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The wargs looked pretty good too overall.
As you say, CG is so much more malleable than prosthetics, and Pete, as he explains, wanted disproportionate faces, that kind of stuff, for the goblins, and you can see in the appendices that the masks, and faces don't work, because you still have to deal with limited human proportions.
Blunt the knives, bend them forks, smash the bottles and burn the corks.
That's what Bilbo Baggins hates !
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mikeybobaggins
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Dec 6 2013, 2:04pm
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Please note this, the movie was GRAND! I did like it a lot and will be seeing it again in theaters for sure.
But........ I could only imagine if PJ would have stuck to the same script with photography and pulled through the antiquity and realism and timelessness that made middle earth a treasure. If so, we'd be demanding all 6 movies be put into the hall of fame and stored away in the Vatican Library for safe keeping.
The only miss we have here is the photography and the overuse of CGI, where the CGI wasn't needed. I would get so upset within scenes that it ruined the story for me. Where the CGI wasn't needed, we have a fakeness alert. ORCS, GANDALF, BOMBUR, BARRELL FIGHTING, it was very unneeded and misplaced.
Where the CGI was needed, we have a 10/10 for its use.
These new hobbit films weren't carefully thoughtout or put against "what was' and what made the LOTR a classic trilogy. These films were made for pop culture. But they even took that a step further than it needed.
ITS A GREAT MOVIE and 3/4 of you will be in love with it and won't flinch. Me, well..... i loved my Middle Earth environment and atmosphere and these films seem off without it.
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Elessar
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Dec 6 2013, 2:05pm
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We've seen several times its just the heads that are cgi but the bodies are guys in suits.
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FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
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Dec 6 2013, 2:06pm
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but I think we should all be grateful that we have something of The Hobbit (even though Peter Jackson has been adding in lots of stuff that never happened in the books) and that we have a trilogy, just like the Lord of the Rings.
I was around 3 years old at the time the last film of LOTR was out (my sister being around 14 or 15). Now, being the same age as she was then, it's quite a sweet reminder of what she had been like ten years ago and because I'm part of a new generation, it's nice to have this to hold onto. 
 ..The Lord of Silver Fountains
.....The King of Carven Stone
..The King Under the Mountain
.......Shall come into his own
..And the bells will ring in gladness
......At the Mountain King's return
..But all shall fail in sadness
....And the lake will shine and burn
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mikeybobaggins
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Dec 6 2013, 2:08pm
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but I think we should all be grateful that we have something of The Hobbit (even though Peter Jackson has been adding in lots of stuff that never happened in the books) and that we have a trilogy, just like the Lord of the Rings. I was around 3 years old at the time the last film of LOTR was out (my sister being around 14 or 15). Now, being the same age as she was then, it's quite a sweet reminder of what she had been like ten years ago and because I'm part of a new generation, it's nice to have this to hold onto.
+1 I totally agree with you
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FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
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Dec 6 2013, 2:09pm
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*high fives* thanks, mikeybobaggins!//
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..The Lord of Silver Fountains
.....The King of Carven Stone
..The King Under the Mountain
.......Shall come into his own
..And the bells will ring in gladness
......At the Mountain King's return
..But all shall fail in sadness
....And the lake will shine and burn
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mikeybobaggins
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Dec 6 2013, 2:13pm
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...i'm so glad these movies were made and PJ did them all.
I'm going to be grateful for these and look for all the good in them,because there is more good in them than there could ever be bad. I'm VERY much looking forward to TABA, it will be epic. Someone just needs to tell PJ to change the color gradient a bit and make things a little colder. hehehhe.
It's a very good film. I just need to come to realize it will be quite different than LOTR.
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Wordofmask
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Dec 6 2013, 2:14pm
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That DoS is the 1 of 10 nominee in short list for Best Visual Effects Oscar
Here are the 10 titles that will be competing for a Best Visual Effects Oscar nomination:
Elysium
Gravity
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
Iron Man 3
The Lone Ranger
Oblivion
Star Trek Into Darkness
Thor: The Dark World
Pacific Rim
World War Z
Read more at http://collider.com/...#IF4p5jRVmUTIrpJJ.99Here are the 10 titles that will be competing for a Best Visual Effects Oscar nomination:
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Elessar
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Dec 6 2013, 2:17pm
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or will have when I see DOS next week. If DOS looks as good in the theaters as it does in the trailers it easily fits in that group. I'm sure Gravity will win because its the "it" film this year. 
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Wordofmask
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Dec 6 2013, 2:18pm
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thanks for your review. I have no problem with AUJ's cg at all so I think i can like this new one too 
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Arannir
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Dec 6 2013, 2:19pm
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... Gravity and Hobbit will be the two to chose from in the end.
But pretty sure Gravity will win. It is also WB and I get the feeling that WB is really pushing Gravity for all Oscars it can possible get.
I think for DoS it will mainly be whether it can gather more nominations than expected (sound effect/mixing, cinematography for example), not really about the wins (though Make-up and Production Design are potential wins imho and even some industry people who disliked AUJ commented after the oscars that AUJ was a bit snubbed in the Make-up category).
All good stories deserve embellishment."
Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."
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Jax_Teller
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Dec 6 2013, 2:19pm
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What do you keep talking about the photography (cinematography is the correct term though)? It looks gorgeous, there's no problem with this.
About the unneeded CG, what do you know? If they used CG doubles or that kind of thing, then there's a reason for it.
These movies are not made for pop culture, they're a different story, a different mood, you said that you didn't read the books, you should know that The Hobbit was a story for children, so the tone is obviously very different from LOTR and very fantastical.
By the way, the color palette reflects that, it's done on purpose.
Blunt the knives, bend them forks, smash the bottles and burn the corks.
That's what Bilbo Baggins hates !
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Pazeer
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Dec 6 2013, 2:21pm
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Can you explain why Lone Ranger is there? I havenīt seen it, so I donīt actually know what was the amazing effects on that movie...
Also, World War Z? Iīll admit itīs a couple months since I saw it, but still, I found the effects to be pretty average at most...
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