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TheHutt
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Nov 25 2013, 7:57pm
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The first and last dialogue lines of DOS (SPOILER)
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They might be different in English, as I have re-translated them back.
First line: Give me another pint.
Last line: What have we done...
Russian LOTR & Hobbit Site: Henneth-Annun.ru
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Mooseboy018
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Nov 25 2013, 8:02pm
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If this is true, I'd say opening in the Prancing Pony is even more likely, and the movie could end with the dwarves seeing Smaug going off to attack Lake Town.
But these seem almost too obvious, like a fan that was thinking about these scenes could have come up with these lines. We'll know soon enough though.
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lidlessEye
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Nov 25 2013, 8:03pm
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danke - ich glaubs dir dieses mal
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its easy:
first scene: dwarves & gandalf in bree
last scene: dwarves enrage smaug, who is about to attack laketown
i can assure, that theHutt has the connections, that this could be real.
last year he predicted one scene back in october (and i didn't believed him back then ;) )
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TheHutt
Mithlond
Nov 25 2013, 8:06pm
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We are consulting the translation into Russian and were allowed to spoil this little.
Russian LOTR & Hobbit Site: Henneth-Annun.ru
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lidlessEye
Ossiriand
Nov 25 2013, 9:18pm
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you post such a big spoiler, and no one but two are interested in discussing this...
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Pazeer
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Nov 25 2013, 9:26pm
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Do you have the entire movie subtitles in Russian? Not asking for you to spoil anything, just wondering!
Either way, this pretty much confirms what we've been discussing lately, with the movie starting with Gandalf and Thorin, and ending with Smaug rushing down to Laketown... Sounds great!
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Arannir
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Nov 25 2013, 9:26pm
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... we cannot be online all the time.
TheHutts information are surely appreciated.
And similar spoilers have already been discussed. We already kind of know the first scene will probably be Bree. This seems to be another hint towards that.
The latter one doesn't answer the big question yet. Will the big beast die or not. The sentences can hint to both... The dwarves being shocked that they have awoken the beast which flies away to Laketown... Or already after the Dragon ist dead and the city destroyed.
“All good stories deserve embellishment."
Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."
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Captain Salt
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Nov 25 2013, 9:28pm
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Thrain's battle call at Azanulbizar, surely? The last...no doubt, Kili and Tauriel after they share their first smooch?
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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lidlessEye
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Nov 25 2013, 9:30pm
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...if the beast dies in DoS
"what have we done"
(killed the beast...aint the worst you can do when a dragon attacks?)
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Arannir
Doriath
Nov 25 2013, 9:33pm
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For example Balin looking towards Laketown, seeing huge fires?
They might not even know yet that the Dragon is dead... They will just say the city they came from burning.
“All good stories deserve embellishment."
Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."
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LordotRings93
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Nov 25 2013, 9:33pm
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Might be Balin/Bilbo who gets the last line
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That sounds like something Balin or Bilbo would say, feeling remorse for waking the dragon and enraging him. Can't see Thorin saying that, although maybe Thorin says the first line whilst waiting for Gandalf at the Pony.
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"I know what I must do. It's just... I'm afraid to do it."
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Nov 25 2013, 9:59pm
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I agree but have to add:
First scene: Only Thorin and Gandalf in Bree. The other Dwarves join them later. This is beginning of the Quest for Erebor. And I guess it won't be some drunk background guy in the Prancing Pony who'll say this line.
Last scene: Jep. Smaug is (as PJ calls it) "really pissed off". And after we know that the credit song is called "I see fire" I could imagine that the last image will be Smaug breathing fire at Laketown. It's not just Ed Sheeran who sees fire then ;-) And who says it? Thorin, Balin or Bilbo. But I go for Bilbo because he also said the last line in AUJ which was... basically a very hopeful one "I believe the worst is now behind us". It would be a nice and ironic comparison to this last line "what have we done?" in DOS.
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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TheHutt
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Nov 25 2013, 10:16pm
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1. The script version in question was from beginning of Nov., so it is subject to changes. However, these lines maybe aren't.
2. NDA.
Russian LOTR & Hobbit Site: Henneth-Annun.ru
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Kili
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Nov 25 2013, 10:59pm
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Maybe could you add a little more spoiler warning?
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As in "pretty much confirmed spoilers" or something like that. I'm not completely pulling back from spoilers and I thought the spoiler warning would be for speculation, not the real first lines. Then again I've had a very tiring weekend and I might be the only one to misinterpret this!
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Fàfnir
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Nov 25 2013, 11:02pm
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the audience would know the movie ends on a victory against the dragon that desolated the whole region. It wouldn't make any sens to end on a sad note because some characters don't know that the end isn't sad !
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Fàfnir
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Nov 25 2013, 11:04pm
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I think spoiler alerts are juste over-used in other titles
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when people throw unsupported personal theories, there the ones that should say (as many do but some don't) "Maybe some spoilers" or something like that
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Arannir
Doriath
Nov 25 2013, 11:08pm
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We could see Bard or others run, swim or whatever through the devastated city. With many people dead. The city in ruins just as Bard predicted.
How is this not sad?
It is exactly what Bard was afraid of.
Thorin will probably overcome by the sickness so much at this point that he cannot see that he is at least partially to blame. But someone like Balin might see and feel their guilt.
Anyway, I am not saying this will happen. I am just saying that the last line is in any way a confirmation. Just another hint that can be interpreted both ways.
I am actually a bit afraid they might make a mistake with the movie split and leave DoS as a rather climax less bridge movie... But I yet remain faithful to SPJs filmmaking skills :)
“All good stories deserve embellishment."
Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 25 2013, 11:18pm
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Makes sense. And as does, now, the talk of flashbacks within flashbacks
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as one can easily enough imagine Azanulbizar coming up in the conversation of Gandalf and Thorin etc. in The Prancing Pony. If this is true, I'd say opening in the Prancing Pony is even more likely, and the movie could end with the dwarves seeing Smaug going off to attack Lake Town.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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flameofudun
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Nov 26 2013, 12:40am
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Phillips Boyens confirmed thrain giving gandalf the key and map would be in the prolouge of DOS, and now confirmed is the Bree meeting, so we know that most likely it will come up in the conversation and be a flashback in a flashback. Seems like DOS will be very flashback heavy, with the edition of the dale and girion flashback as well.
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The Mitch King
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Nov 26 2013, 1:05am
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...seems like it could be referencing Smaug flying away OR seeing Laketown destroyed.
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Fàfnir
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Nov 26 2013, 1:21am
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You know, you should think of the ending of Fellowhip of the Ring
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rather than the ending of The Two Towers. In Fellowship, the climax is a relatively minor fight narratively, I mean it is important but not climatic on the paper. And it leaves us with a sort of cliffhanger, with the hobbits taken to Isengard, Frodo and Sam leaving etc. But it's an emotional climax, and that's why it works. And I think DoS could be an exellent emotional climax as well, with Thorin realizing the mistake he has done, the sight of the desolation, the calm before the storm... Anyway, that's what I expect to see, and I think it could fit with the mood of "I see fire"
By the way, TTT is a happy ending, and yet almost the totality of the soldiers, elves or men, who fought the battle are dead. That's the way movies work, when it ends on a victory it's a happy ending, no matter what the cost was.
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ninquelote
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Nov 26 2013, 2:24am
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So it must be when Gandalf and Thorin first met at the Prancing Pony, right?
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Mooseboy018
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Nov 26 2013, 2:44am
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And if Barliman Butterbur doesn't make an appearance, I will be very disappointed.
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